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Post by Homzy on Dec 23, 2007 18:07:48 GMT
I've noticed in the aftermath of yesterday's games that a lot of bitter Albion fans have been telling us we'd get steamrolled every week playing the same way in the Prem.
The truth is that they would be the ones getting slaughtered. It's all very pretty tip tapping it about but it's pretty pointless if you can't defend when the other team have the ball. And if we did that to their defence, what the hell would Arse/United/Chelsea, etc do!!
Also, despite all their possession and pressure, I wouldn't say that we were hanging on for our lives. The bottom line is that once again, they just weren't good enough to break us down. If they think they'd find it easier in the Prem, they're seriously mistaken. No doubt the BBC and Sky pundits would be wanking off over what nice football they play though!
Stoke on the other hand are set up for Prem survival I feel. We know how to defend and counter attack at fantastic speed, with the quality in the right areas to make it count. It's also worth noting that over 50% of goals in the Prem come from set pieces and I'd say we're the best team in the whole of England at making those count.
I really feel like we're building somehing very special here and I'm confident we have the makings of a team that could survive in the Prem. A fantastic keeper, a monster of a central defensive partnership and smitterings of quality in the final third.
It's madness to think we wouldn't need a massive overhaul but I truly believe that, under Pulis, we can finally welcome in the 'Golden Era' we were promised.
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Post by stokieboy1 on Dec 23, 2007 18:24:46 GMT
quite right lp stokie i went to the match yesterday,and my mate is a west brom fan-he said exactly the same thing that we would be terrible in the premiership and that we would struggle,he said that they outplayed us and that we were lucky he also said all we did was shawcross hoofed it and fuller scored.Was it me or is that a load of bullshit???
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Post by nathan on Dec 23, 2007 18:59:28 GMT
Spot on Homzy. Defensively we're far superior to West Brom, and lets be honest, the first season in the Premiership is likely to entail plenty of rearguard action!!
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Dec 23, 2007 19:57:43 GMT
Regardless of WBA, I do think we'd get steamrollered every week in the Prem, but in the name of progress I personally can't wait.
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Post by Gunslinger on Dec 23, 2007 20:44:44 GMT
Usually two out of the three promoted teams go straight down again, but there's always a team who manage to survive the first season in Premier League. IF Stoke get promoted and IF Stoke manage to stay up after the first season then the club has laid one hell of a foundation to build upon.
There's a real possibility that we will go straight down IF we get promoted, but even though we will be better prepared to make a new assault for the Premier League. We will get a parachute payment for three years and players will look upon the Stoke as a club with ambitions. Even if we go down after the first attempt we might survive after the second attempt. Or even the third. But to me: It's worth it. I grew up with Stoke playing Man Ure, Liverpool, Arsenal etc etc on a regular basis. I don' want Stoke to play against Colchester, Plymouth, Cardiff season after season. The only thing to look forward to then is a good cup run, but being Stoke it's not a very good prospect.
I would take a chance of meeting a steamroller next season. It could be that we encounter some small steamrollers as well so that we survive and establish the club at the top level.
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Post by bogus on Dec 23, 2007 20:53:55 GMT
LS1, I actually took great pleasure in telling them much the same on their rivals site, just after the game  |
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Post by Homzy on Dec 23, 2007 22:00:31 GMT
Good work bogus!
They're so unbelievably arrogant it's untrue and I quite want them to go up (in second behind us) just to see them get dicked playing sexy football every week!
Every manager worth his salt builds from the back and their defence is nothing short of a joke.
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Post by daverichards on Dec 24, 2007 8:49:16 GMT
I wouldn't care if we did get steamrollered every week, even 1 season in the prem would set this club up finacially for the best part of the decade after promotion . £50M for the season, plus the 3 years of Parachute payments, plus the increased ticket sales, merchandise , and crucially snaring a new generation of fans ... kids from Stoke who would see us on match of the day every week (on the replay on sunday morning)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 24, 2007 8:55:05 GMT
Let's stick to the facts Dave. It is £30 million upwards for the TV rights and positional payments plus, of course, increased gate receipts etc. I doubt if that lot will reach more than £40 million. And it is TWO year's parachute payments (assuming we got relegated). I agree it would set the club up, though.
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Post by Homzy on Dec 24, 2007 8:58:31 GMT
Fornside is right, the £50million was an estimate of what the top teams in the league get from the TV rights. The bottom-placed team are guaranteed at least £30m...so surely we'd be looking at about £45m?!  |
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Post by daverichards on Dec 24, 2007 8:58:40 GMT
sorry fornside, could have sworn it were 3, did it used to be 3 then ?
thought the new deal was worth more to each club
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Post by sandford on Dec 24, 2007 9:41:12 GMT
"Let's stick to the facts Dave. It is £30 million upwards for the TV rights and positional payments plus, of course, increased gate receipts etc. I doubt if that lot will reach more than £40 million. And it is TWO year's parachute payments (assuming we got relegated). I agree it would set the club up, though"
Set the club up what like Bradford,Sheff wed,Southampton,Leeds,Forest,Wimbledon,Leicester etc?
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2007 9:47:19 GMT
I wouldn't care if we did get steamrollered every week, even 1 season in the prem would set this club up finacially for the best part of the decade after promotion . £50M for the season, plus the 3 years of Parachute payments, plus the increased ticket sales, merchandise , and crucially snaring a new generation of fans ... kids from Stoke who would see us on match of the day every week (on the replay on sunday morning) It's two years of parachute payments Dave. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 24, 2007 13:24:46 GMT
If we go up it will be a big exercise in damage limitation. As it would be for WBA.
And thats that.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 24, 2007 13:53:13 GMT
Sanford, you ask a valid question. By coincidence it was West Brom who pioneered the sensible way to approach a season in the Premiership. You pay your players better wages than you do in the Championship but a significant proportion of those wages are in the form of a bonus which is payable when the club is in the Premiership but ceases upon relegation. So, providing the club doesn't have large debts when it gets promotion (and we don't) then the problems faced by clubs like Bradford when they got relegated shouldn't happen.
Clubs relegated in recent seasons have, in the main, been able to pay their wage bills in the Championship with no problems - for many of them the parachute payments are a bonus and not a lifeline to keep the club afloat.
The other thing you have to guard against is in trying too hard to compete on transfer fees or wages with the top clubs in the Premiership when you don't have the income stream to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2007 15:07:59 GMT
... for many of them the parachute payments are a bonus and not a lifeline to keep the club afloat. Charlton just announced a £9-million loss Staying in the Prem, as a little squad, is about having 6 "defenders" who don't make stupid mistakes (as Moore did for Derby yesterday) and four players who can score a goal (especially from set plays) Reading have survived like this for quite a while now ... And have no "outstanding players" who will be earning fortunes. Coppell is a bit of a tactical genious (esp. set plays) and he is obviously a good motivator/team man. You must win the games against "fellow strugglers" and be able to put the slaughterings against ManU et al "behind you" quickly. Organisation will keep you in the Prem, if you can find enough talent "up front" (like the Irish lad, Doyle, who Coppell bought, who we were also interested in a few years back). I think TP's style would work well, but whether we could bring in 2 or 3 to compliment Ricci and Lenny (and possibly Cresser) is the stumbling block. ah |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 24, 2007 15:21:03 GMT
Andy, I'm not saying that all clubs have it easy if/when they drop out of the Prem these days. I do know Charlton are still extending their stadium and have been for several years so they may have debt to be serviced. I do know that since West Brom became the archytypal yo yo club they seem to have maintained sound finances.
Logic says that if you don't run up big debts and don't take on wage committments which can't be covered by income for the life of the contracts then you won't go far wrong. But that does mean that you can't always go for the players you'd like and it means recognising that the playing field is not level and never will be in the Prem.
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Post by Bonkolina on Dec 24, 2007 15:21:49 GMT
I quite like the concept of a strong defence and 'Bully Boy' tactics meaning we get to kick those over paid prima dona nancies from the premiership all over the pitch ;D
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Dec 24, 2007 15:26:54 GMT
The other thing you have to guard against is in trying too hard to compete on transfer fees or wages with the top clubs in the Premiership when you don't have the income stream to do so. I think you can rest easy that we are well guarded against that particular landmine |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2007 15:46:53 GMT
... I do know that since West Brom became the archytypal yo yo club they seem to have maintained sound finances. Yo-Yo is the key. If you can keep bouncing, and keep a wage structure that suits both leagues, and keep a fan base to help service it; then you'll be OK (like the Baggies). It all goes pear-shaped when you don't yo-yo and the parachute then fails to open in season three (Norwich). Then you need the crowds (Norwich) and some luck and a rebuild (Norwich) but it can still go very pear-shaped at that point (Leeds). And I agree with Banksy, seems unlikely we throw "money we don't have" at much at all; not with the professionals in charge up at our place! (Maybe they have finally sorted the "wage cap" though, if you believe all you read in "the papers") ah |
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Post by clactonpotter on Dec 24, 2007 19:45:57 GMT
I would lke to have seen Coppell given the England job!
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