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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 14, 2008 20:23:35 GMT
;D ;D ;D
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 14, 2008 20:27:01 GMT
You didn't respond to the list of leaders infinitely better than Thatcher.
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Post by daverichards on Jul 14, 2008 20:37:02 GMT
do you have a subscription to the Daily Mail or Daily Express ?
what a load of BOLLOCKS
The liberal party would be far worse (in your terms)
the media have blown the knife problem up out of all proportion, a cynical ploy to take peoples minds of other issues , it is no worse than it has ever been , the murder rate in London is very low compared to many major cities .
find the FACTS out for yourself, I am sick of telling people that the streets of london are not awash with rampaging gangs of knife wielding yobs and the rest of us live in fear . In fact I am sick to the back teeth of proving wrong time and again the views of the Tabloid reading and believing types .
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jul 14, 2008 21:00:55 GMT
Dont wait till she is dead, set Eddie on the fucking bitch.
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Post by trebor63 on Jul 14, 2008 21:08:32 GMT
You didn't respond to the list of leaders infinitely better than Thatcher.
Thats a matter for debate! Obviously its hard to compare leaders of different times Churchill was a tremendous war time leader but was dumped unceremoniously shortly after.
Super Maggie inherited a mess a total mess of a country with massive debts unprofitable industry and we paid ourselves (especially in the public sector) way to much for industries that were being propped up by governments.
Maggie had to have the balls to take on e or two steps BACK in a country that was already a total mess before she could take us forward. She not only did this but she did it during a world recession!
We went from one of the poorest countries in the whole of the developed world to one of the richest. She simply dragged us along! And yes lots of people faced hard times Newcastle was very badly hit but look at it now! No more mines only for work its a bustling thriving lovely city.
Sadly this awful government have pissed our wealth up the wall and done the typical Labour tax and spend spend spend stuff. We're not back to square one but with Brown mismanaging the finances for years we ain't far off.
He'll keep saying we've had ten years of growth anfd we have BUT so has everyone else but we've had less growth than any other country, he alwayd=s forgets to mention that!
In the modern era Maggie is a genius if you fgo further back your not comparing like with like but I can't think of any of the ones you mentioned as being any better.
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Post by trebor63 on Jul 14, 2008 21:12:23 GMT
ID I've not read ANY newspaper (apart from an odd perve in the sport) for about 15 years. You honestly think knife crime isn't on the up! Oh dear says it all! Crisis what criisis. You are like the Oatcakes equivelent of the Iraqi war minister
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 14, 2008 21:18:13 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong Ilford, but wasn't it the South Armagh Brigade (IRA) who were responsible for the Brighton, Grand-Hotel Bombing, in 1984?
'We only have to be lucky once...you have to be lucky always'
Jammy bastards
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 14, 2008 21:19:28 GMT
Nobody's disagreeing about the problems, but she didn't solve them at all. She handed the country over to asset-strippers and City gamblers, committed our entire foreign policy to slipstreaming the US and the brainless neo-con imperialism which has turned the West into terrorist targets, removed any chance of us being self-sufficient in manufacturing for many years to come, destroyed the trade unions (which God knows weren't perfect but were the best voice a lot of working people had), turned social housing into perceived ghettos and fucked the rest of us by meaning people had to pay massive amounts of interest to mortgage companies in order to have a place to live, and left Britain a crueller, greedier, nastier place than she found it.
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Post by stokey-pokey pudding and pie on Jul 14, 2008 21:29:06 GMT
lets compare the record of thatcher and the blair and brown government shall we?
thatcher attacked workers arguing for a fair wage and job security - miners, dockers, apprentices, etc blair attacked workers arguing for a decent wage and a secure pension - DWP, rail workers, firefighters, nurses even the police FFS!
thatcher privatized public utilities - water, gas etc -prices soared - standards dropped blair privatized the railways, parts of the nhs, the school system- prices soared, standards dropped
thatcher lied to take the country to war (and save her political career - thousands died blair followed bush into a quagmire - thousands died and still dying
not a lot of differences as far as i can see!
blair and brown have continued what thatcher started and after 30 years of thatchers policies, we're fucked!
p.s how does it feel to hear cameron call himself a 'leftie'? theyre all the fucking same, all right wing, all wankers and all mates now.
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Post by stokey-pokey pudding and pie on Jul 14, 2008 21:30:19 GMT
well said sal!
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Post by daverichards on Jul 14, 2008 21:30:24 GMT
ID I've not read ANY newspaper (apart from an odd perve in the sport) for about 15 years. You honestly think knife crime isn't on the up! Oh dear says it all! Crisis what criisis. You are like the Oatcakes equivelent of the Iraqi war minister No i don't I think the medias reporting of it is on the up wizzard, if i had any idea as to what your point was i might be able to respond to it, however you appear to have gone of on some kind of IRA related tangent
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Post by trebor63 on Jul 14, 2008 21:31:49 GMT
As for the 'people had to pay massive amounts of interest to mortgage companies in order to have a place to live,' I know a couple in Crewe who bought their own council house and within three years they were paying LESS than they were previously with rent. They now own the house outright where as if they hadn't been giveb the chance to buy they'd be paying double what they used to pay in rent!
Maggie did more MUCH more for the working man thab abyone ever has.
And as for destroying the trade unions! Good! Don't get me wrong they have been brilliant for the working man but had got WAAAAAY too powerful and needed cutting down. She did it and rightly so.
She left Britain a crueller, greedier, nastier place than she found it. She actually did the opposite! Britain was dominated by greedy miners who held the country to ransom every year and who brought governments of both colours down if they didn't do what the unelected few demanded. She left Britain a fairer, richer, more thriving and stable country and she gave people on the bottom rung a chance to clinb the ladder.
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Post by trend....... on Jul 14, 2008 21:31:57 GMT
goooaaaarnnn margaret.
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Post by daverichards on Jul 14, 2008 21:34:29 GMT
l blair privatized the railways not factually correct
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Post by trebor63 on Jul 14, 2008 21:34:51 GMT
Miners!!! A fair wage! Yeh right they ripped the piss out of the country on a daily basis and they priced themselves out of work.
To be honest all your analogies are total fictitious rubbish
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 14, 2008 21:34:54 GMT
Back to the fucking good old days then eh?
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 14, 2008 21:37:13 GMT
trebor, I'll defend to the death your right to be wrong (and I'll also admit Blair took even more civil liberties away than Maggie)
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 14, 2008 21:39:06 GMT
Ilford, my posts are usually arcane, tangential, and occasionally esoteric with my the usual mixture of fact and bullshit...but on this occasion I am making a serious point..in your defence FFS!!!
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 14, 2008 21:41:18 GMT
Remember the way we were all complaining about the standard of debate dropping through the floor last week?? Great that we're back on form now... ;D
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Post by trebor63 on Jul 14, 2008 21:41:32 GMT
LOL at sal ;D When you wrote 'trebor, I'll defend to the death your right to be wrong (and I'll also admit Blair took even more civil liberties away than Maggie)' I read 'trebor I admit I was wrong and you are right'
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 14, 2008 21:45:15 GMT
lmto!! ;D That's definitely worth an exalt
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Post by daverichards on Jul 14, 2008 21:49:17 GMT
can I have some of what your drinking, thats sounds like damn good stuff , and plenty of it, its seems to have relaity altering powers .
This will be the same Thatcher who was in power when student grants stopped rising with the cost of living ?
My grant in 1994 , was less than my step-dad had recieved in the early 1970s . He was the bright son or a Welsh miner who had moved to Stoke, my grandma worked at wedgwoods as a secetary . without such a grant its unlikely he would have been able to afford to goto Oxford Uni and become a lawyer . The £2000 i got in 1994 barely covered my rent , his £2000 was enough for him to be able to concentrate on his studies instead of needing a part-time job just to survive .
Thatcher was in charge when this happened, we now have the situation where kids from poor backgrounds can no longer afford to goto to university . It was Thatcher and her fucking protege Blair that did this to the country
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 14, 2008 21:49:58 GMT
Seems we're mostly in agreement on here re: Thatcher, apart from one right wing raving loony that is.... ;D
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Post by Gunslinger on Jul 14, 2008 21:50:42 GMT
Not sure about entering this debate since I'm Norwegian but anyhow:
I've got a favourable impression if Maggie. She killed a lot of the old thruths and myths and tried to adapt your country to the modern world, even though it involved killing some of the old & traditional industry.
You would also have been the laughing stock of the western world if he (yup! No spelling mistake) hadn't responed like that when the Argentinians invaded The Falklands. It took some horrible casualties but it also showed that England wouldn't be pushed around.
She wasn't perfect but it could have been so much, much worse. You could have ended up with a grey, fragile do-good'er.
He had balls unlike 95% of todays politicians.
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Post by daverichards on Jul 14, 2008 21:53:21 GMT
Ilford, my posts are usually arcane, tangential, and occasionally esoteric with my the usual mixture of fact and bullshit...but on this occasion I am making a serious point..in your defence FFS!!! I see your point however I wouldn't condone such acts of terrorism even if it had killed her , I'd much rather she was pushed into a bond villains tank of piranhas
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 14, 2008 21:54:59 GMT
Nobody's disagreeing about the problems, but she didn't solve them at all. She handed the country over to asset-strippers and City gamblers, committed our entire foreign policy to slipstreaming the US and the brainless neo-con imperialism which has turned the West into terrorist targets, removed any chance of us being self-sufficient in manufacturing for many years to come, destroyed the trade unions (which God knows weren't perfect but were the best voice a lot of working people had), turned social housing into perceived ghettos and fucked the rest of us by meaning people had to pay massive amounts of interest to mortgage companies in order to have a place to live, and left Britain a crueller, greedier, nastier place than she found it. In the 1980's Mermaid, I studied Economics at Liverpool University and one of my lecturers there was Sir Alan Walters, who was Margaret Thatchers Principal Economic Adviser at the time, obsessed with 'Monetarism' and defeating the Unions...the difference between Thatcher and previous governments was that they just didn't care about the SOCIAL-consequences of their ECONOMIC policy It's one thing to close down ailing industries..but quite another to put something in there place... It wasn't just jobs that were lost it went far deeper than that..whole communities lost their dignity and self-respect and hope for a better life 'Where there is despair, let me bring hope" was the first thing Thatcher said on getting into office in 1979 What she succeeded in doing was the opposite
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 14, 2008 21:57:31 GMT
Not sure about entering this debate since I'm Norwegian but anyhow: I've got a favourable impression if Maggie. She killed a lot of the old thruths and myths and tried to adapt your country to the modern world, even though it involved killing some of the old & traditional industry. You would also have been the laughing stock of the western world if he (yup! No spelling mistake) hadn't responed like that when the Argentinians invaded The Falklands. It took some horrible casualties but it also showed that England wouldn't be pushed around. She wasn't perfect but it could have been so much, much worse. You could have ended up with a grey, fragile do-good'er. He had balls unlike 95% of todays politicians. More about allowing overseas imports from sweatshops which killed off our industrial base, she liked to call it "market forces" Bit like Man Utd playing Knutton Tigers, hardly a level playing field that. And guess who made even more money? yes, the owners of the overseas sweatshops funding the Tory Party. Sick and hypocritical I'd cheerfully shoot her.
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Post by daverichards on Jul 14, 2008 21:59:47 GMT
and her husband had his fingers in a number of privatised pies
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 14, 2008 22:03:39 GMT
and her husband had his fingers in a number of privatised pies And don't even start me on the twat of a son.....
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 14, 2008 22:04:54 GMT
Thought he went in for privatising small countries with large oil reserves ;D
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