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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 17, 2024 19:40:31 GMT
3 horse fatalities at Cheltenham today, one of which had just won and collapsed afterwards in the parade ring.
Obviously the safety of the horses has increased significantly over the years and British racing is one of the highest regulated but still these incidents continue.
I don’t profess to know the first thing about racing tbh but these stories concern me, is there any world where it’s significantly changed or even banned?
Is there a possibility trainers are doing something to cause these apparent heart attacks during events?
Just putting it to the floor to gain a bit of knowledge really.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 17, 2024 21:29:23 GMT
Abuffalosoldier was the horse that had won and the jockey had just finished being interviewed by Alice Plunkett when the groom took hold of the horse only for it to collapse suddenly on the floor whilst the camera was still filming it.Then Richie Persad was interviewing the winning owners who were ecstatic at the victory but he had to interrupt the interview to say their horse had collapsed,you can imagine the shock.
Died of a suspected heart attack apparently after nearly 3 and a half miles😢😢
Also Bangers and Cash died earlier in the same race and Napper Tandy in the race after.
A very sad day for Racing
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 17, 2024 21:31:58 GMT
Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty.
I'd shut them down tomorrow.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 17, 2024 21:34:04 GMT
Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty. I'd shut them down tomorrow. Its a bigger picture than that though isn’t it🤔The Gambling industry and leisure would also suffer massively |
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Post by sticky on Nov 17, 2024 21:39:25 GMT
Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty. I'd shut them down tomorrow. Its a bigger picture than that though isn’t it🤔The Gambling industry and leisure would also suffer massively Yes they certainly would, I suppose the races could be reviewed to make them less demanding. It’s a tough one and I can see both sides of the argument |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 17, 2024 23:43:13 GMT
Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty. I'd shut them down tomorrow. Wokeness is dead Huddy. I won't go into it as I don't think you deserve a proper response but that is absolute 'horse shit' as usual. |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Nov 18, 2024 4:59:53 GMT
It was absolutely gutting but it's just something that happens unfortunately, just like it happens to people every day. For those who say well if they hadn't run in the race it wouldn't have happened, how do you know? I have known a horse to have a heart attack in its stable after a beautiful sunny day in the field grazing :( Horses LOVE running and jumping and you are a complete fool if you think otherwise, or if you think they would do it if they didn't want to. Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty. I'd shut them down tomorrow. And what would you do with the thousands of horses across the country who would no longer be allowed to race? Oh, maybe you would be happy to cull them off? Total crap. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 18, 2024 7:28:09 GMT
Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty. I'd shut them down tomorrow. Wokeness is dead Huddy. I won't go into it as I don't think you deserve a proper response but that is absolute 'horse shit' as usual. You and your mate are entitled to your opinions, as am I. Horses and greyhounds feel pain and stress just like us humans do. If you were past your best and were shot, I expect your family might be a bit upset about it. But hey, it's only horses and dogs eh? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 18, 2024 7:28:50 GMT
It was absolutely gutting but it's just something that happens unfortunately, just like it happens to people every day. For those who say well if they hadn't run in the race it wouldn't have happened, how do you know? I have known a horse to have a heart attack in its stable after a beautiful sunny day in the field grazing  Horses LOVE running and jumping and you are a complete fool if you think otherwise, or if you think they would do it if they didn't want to. Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty. I'd shut them down tomorrow. And what would you do with the thousands of horses across the country who would no longer be allowed to race? Oh, maybe you would be happy to cull them off? Total crap. You could ride them as a leisure activity mate. Not difficult. |
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Post by tuum on Nov 18, 2024 8:18:20 GMT
It was absolutely gutting but it's just something that happens unfortunately, just like it happens to people every day. For those who say well if they hadn't run in the race it wouldn't have happened, how do you know? I have known a horse to have a heart attack in its stable after a beautiful sunny day in the field grazing Horses LOVE running and jumping and you are a complete fool if you think otherwise, or if you think they would do it if they didn't want to. And what would you do with the thousands of horses across the country who would no longer be allowed to race? Oh, maybe you would be happy to cull them off? Total crap. You could ride them as a leisure activity mate. Not difficult. Where do you draw the line? Is making them jump hedges and ditches too strenuous for them? Walking them in a tight country lane being passed by cars within a metre? As the OP says. Have an investigation. See if there is a trend or common denominator and then deal with the findings. I am not a massive horse racing fan but I see no need to ban it. |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Nov 18, 2024 8:51:15 GMT
It was absolutely gutting but it's just something that happens unfortunately, just like it happens to people every day. For those who say well if they hadn't run in the race it wouldn't have happened, how do you know? I have known a horse to have a heart attack in its stable after a beautiful sunny day in the field grazing :( Horses LOVE running and jumping and you are a complete fool if you think otherwise, or if you think they would do it if they didn't want to. And what would you do with the thousands of horses across the country who would no longer be allowed to race? Oh, maybe you would be happy to cull them off? Total crap. You could ride them as a leisure activity mate. Not difficult. They can suffer heart attacks anywhere, doing anything 'mate'. On a jog around the yard or in a three mile chase. The people funding the upkeep of the horses are more often than not, in no position to ride them leisurely. Do you think they are going to pay all of the people in the industry now to ride them for leisure? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 18, 2024 8:56:15 GMT
You could ride them as a leisure activity mate. Not difficult. They can suffer heart attacks anywhere, doing anything 'mate'. On a jog around the yard or in a three mile chase. The people funding the upkeep of the horses are more often than not, in no position to ride them leisurely. Do you think they are going to pay all of the people in the industry now to ride them for leisure? There is a difference between that and shooting them in the head when they go lame on the racecourse is there not? |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Nov 18, 2024 16:05:34 GMT
They can suffer heart attacks anywhere, doing anything 'mate'. On a jog around the yard or in a three mile chase. The people funding the upkeep of the horses are more often than not, in no position to ride them leisurely. Do you think they are going to pay all of the people in the industry now to ride them for leisure? There is a difference between that and shooting them in the head when they go lame on the racecourse is there not? They should have just let them suffer yesterday then (if they didn't drop dead from the heart attack), rather than put them down? Same for ones who injure themselves in the field or in their box with nobody around? Just let them hobble around until they die? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 18, 2024 16:10:48 GMT
There is a difference between that and shooting them in the head when they go lame on the racecourse is there not? They should have just let them suffer yesterday then (if they didn't drop dead from the heart attack), rather than put them down? Same for ones who injure themselves in the field or in their box with nobody around? Just let them hobble around until they die? They tend to go lame or have heart attacks with greater frequency when they are being whipped around a racecourse though, isn't that the case? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 18, 2024 16:22:33 GMT
They should have just let them suffer yesterday then (if they didn't drop dead from the heart attack), rather than put them down? Same for ones who injure themselves in the field or in their box with nobody around? Just let them hobble around until they die? They tend to go lame or have heart attacks with greater frequency when they are being whipped around a racecourse though, isn't that the case? You’re obviously not up to date with the latest whip rules🤔 Rules and limits on use The whip can be used a maximum of six times in a Flat race or seven times in a Jump race. Any more than this will prompt the stewards to review the ride. |
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Post by wrighter on Nov 18, 2024 16:36:35 GMT
over the last 4 years i have part owned 9 race horses [ flat]
for those in any doubt, they are treated to the best conditions ever
regularly vet checked, the best stabling , love and care for all the staff, before and after racing
since 1874 270 footballers around the world have died during a match just to put in some context.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 18, 2024 16:47:03 GMT
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Nov 18, 2024 17:40:37 GMT
So they want to kill off the thousands of horses that would no longer be allowed to race. Great thinking that! Unless they want to stable, feed, exercise and look after themselves, or pay for others to do it for these magnificent animals? |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Nov 18, 2024 17:47:16 GMT
They should have just let them suffer yesterday then (if they didn't drop dead from the heart attack), rather than put them down? Same for ones who injure themselves in the field or in their box with nobody around? Just let them hobble around until they die? They tend to go lame or have heart attacks with greater frequency when they are being whipped around a racecourse though, isn't that the case? I would say more than likely yes, doing something they love to do! A horse will not do something like run or jump a fence if it didn't want to. Have you though tallied up how many have died in those cases, against those who have died galloping in fields, in their own stables, or trotting out on the roads to say it tends to happen with more frequency or is that just a stab in the unknowing dark? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 18, 2024 17:50:51 GMT
They tend to go lame or have heart attacks with greater frequency when they are being whipped around a racecourse though, isn't that the case? I would say more than likely yes, doing something they love to do! A horse will not do something like run or jump a fence if it didn't want to. Have you though tallied up how many have died in those cases, against those who have died galloping in fields, in their own stables, or trotting out on the roads to say it tends to happen with more frequency or is that just a stab in the unknowing dark? Your username sounds like a racehorse😉 |
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 18, 2024 18:31:59 GMT
I can understand the concern for welfare of the horses but can't see any sort of ban coming into play. The sport is a job creator and money spinner (through tax) and its not outright cruelty - if a horse doesnt want to run, it refuses to.
Obviously it can't comprehend the risk its taking but it's not like they could enjoy some sort of alternative relaxing life as the horses wouldn't actually exist at all would they without racing?
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Post by redstriper on Nov 18, 2024 19:13:19 GMT
Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty. I'd shut them down tomorrow. Just wondering how you know the horses are stressed ?.... whenever a jockey gets unseated they continue to race, so it doesn't appear that they find it particularly stressful. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 18, 2024 20:07:42 GMT
Horse racing, like greyhound racing subjects animals to senseless stress and cruelty. I'd shut them down tomorrow. Just wondering how you know the horses are stressed ?.... whenever a jockey gets unseated they continue to race, so it doesn't appear that they find it particularly stressful. Some of them have turned grey it is so stressful. You should've seen how difficult Desert Orchid's paper round was. |
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 18, 2024 21:16:20 GMT
I've always loved a punt, always loved watching horse racing. After seeing abuffalosoldier die yesterday it really got to me. I suppose always tried to switch off from it when you see the green screen. But I may just stop watching/punting on it now.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 18, 2024 21:21:28 GMT
Wokeness is dead Huddy. I won't go into it as I don't think you deserve a proper response but that is absolute 'horse shit' as usual. You and your mate are entitled to your opinions, as am I. Horses and greyhounds feel pain and stress just like us humans do. If you were past your best and were shot, I expect your family might be a bit upset about it. But hey, it's only horses and dogs eh? That could soon be happening if some MPs get their way |
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