Archbishop of Canterbury Has Resigned

[salopstick]

Nov 12, 2024 14:21:27 GMT Ariel Manto said:

Very messy day for the Church of England in parliament.

Nick Timothy MP has requested an Urgent Question on the matter of Archbishop Welby's future.

Meanwhile, MPs will consider getting rid of hereditary peers - with an amendment saying bishops should go from Lords too.

good - he should go just for his support of Vennels

while we are on it

get rid of hereditory peers - the upper chamber should be people with experience etc to run the place. the lords spiritual can be fucked off too

[Ariel Manto]

What has happened here is horrific.

Last week, revelations came to light that he did not adequately follow up on reports of "sadistic" John Smyth QC’s “abhorrent” abuse involving more than 100 boys and young men.



The Makin review into the abuse concluded that he might have been brought to justice had the Archbishop of Canterbury formally reported it to police a decade ago.



Smyth was thought to have been the most prolific serial abuser to be associated with the church.



A victim of Smyth described the failure to act as a “dereliction of duty” and a betrayal of victims.

[flea79]

well i cant wait to see where this thread goes when the usual suspects turn up...

as for my two pence worth i think all organised religion should be banned, except Scientology, all hail Xenu!

[dexter97]

"Never, in all my years, have I encountered such cruel and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the church?"

[Ariel Manto]

Dearly Beloved

It turns out that the process of electing a new Head Bishopbanger of the CofE is more than just tea and cake and is, in fact, the perfect demonstration of democracy in action.

1. No one applies for the role. They are chosen. 
   
2. Those chosen for interview don’t have to be from the Church of England, they don’t have to be bishops, and they don’t have to be sex pests, although they are likely to be.
3. The candidates will then be interviewed by a committee of 17 people, none of whom will be remotely interested in whether or not those candidates are a bit “rapey”. Amnesia and a complete lack of oversight are prerequisites, though.
4. The chair is appointed by the prime minister and the committee members will include representatives from around the global Anglican Communion, the General Synod, or parliament, as well as at least one bishop to ensure one man with a total lack of morality is present.
   
5. At least two-thirds of the committee members must agree on whether this candidate will let them get away with it all for long enough before a decision is made.
   

Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

Praise be.

[rickyfullerbeer]

“Smyth was thought to have been the most prolific serial abuser to be associated with the church”

I suppose someone has to be, but some going nevertheless.

[phileetin]

at least he didn't indulge , unlike ......


nevertheless i hate the bloke with a passion

[Veritas]

Nov 12, 2024 14:26:28 GMT salopstick said:

Nov 12, 2024 14:21:27 GMT Ariel Manto said:

Very messy day for the Church of England in parliament.

Nick Timothy MP has requested an Urgent Question on the matter of Archbishop Welby's future.

Meanwhile, MPs will consider getting rid of hereditary peers - with an amendment saying bishops should go from Lords too.

good - he should go just for his support of Vennels

while we are on it

get rid of hereditory peers - the upper chamber should be people with experience etc to run the place. the lords spiritual can be fucked off too

I have got a radical idea if we need an upper house let's vote for the members, for those unfamiliar with the concept it's called democracy!

[Clayton Wood]

When does the odious twat become the "disgraced" Justin Welby?

[Gods]

Weird career.

He had 12 years working in the oil and gas industry before he found the Lord.

I always took him to be gay as ninepence but he has 6 children so he must have shagged himself senseless at some point.

[stokeson]

Cause gay men and women never have kids

[Dave the Rave]

What is it about these Christians and Catholics that they just don't want to integrate with our way of life?

Why don't they have the same values as us?

Why is it ok to abuse kids in their culture?

I can see mass protests from concerned citizens outside churches up and down the country after this.

[thehartshillbadger]

Nov 12, 2024 18:33:09 GMT Dave the Rave said:

What is it about these Christians and Catholics that they just don't want to integrate with our way of life?

Why don't they have the same values as us?

Why is it ok to abuse kids in their culture?

I can see mass protests from concerned citizens outside churches up and down the country after this.

I don’t think anyone has denied the Christian and Catholic Churches are full of wrong uns have they? Or have I missed something?

[probably]

Nov 12, 2024 16:55:38 GMT Clayton Wood said:

When does the odious twat become the "disgraced" Justin Welby?

Bit pointless calling him “disgraced”.

It’s like saying Satan is “a bit naughty”.

[probably]

Nov 12, 2024 18:33:09 GMT Dave the Rave said:

What is it about these Christians and Catholics that they just don't want to integrate with our way of life?

Why don't they have the same values as us?

Why is it ok to abuse kids in their culture?

I can see mass protests from concerned citizens outside churches up and down the country after this.

Islam is clearly the path to Paradise. 



Or was that the Clyde Gateway?

[prestwichpotter]

Complete dick head. Good riddance to him…..

[wannabee]

Welby a necessary casualty/scapegoat in order to try and draw a line under an Establishment cover up.

Smyth a prolific paedophile and sadist has been buggering and beating boys since the 1980s resulting in death and untold mental health issues of his victims 

Others in Makin's Report are criticised far more severely than Welby remain in leadership positions in the Church

This has been in the Public Domain for at least 7 years since the Channel 4 expose

And who was Welby's Boss err Charles 111 who Welby became his spiritual advisor. It is inconceivable that as Head of the Church he was not advised of the scandal considering the official inquiry has been going on for 5 years and could be delayed no longer conveniently after Smyth has died like a previous prolific paedophile and special advisor to Charles. 

[metalhead]

Smug sanctimonious paedophile protector steps down.

What a fucking shame.

[Dutchpeter]

One of my favourite lines in Steptoe and Son when Harold tells his dad - ‘you’d get on the archbishop of Canterbury’s tits!’ 🤣

[scfcbiancorossi]

Woke Welby, a cunt of the highest order.

[scfcbiancorossi]

Nov 12, 2024 18:15:27 GMT Gods said:

Weird career.

He had 12 years working in the oil and gas industry before he found the Lord.

I always took him to be gay as ninepence but he has 6 children so he must have shagged himself senseless at some point.

It's a whole lot of viagra and whole loada spunk!

[dexter97]

Wrong sect, but still apposite.

[salopstick]

fat pope, thin pope

[Northy]

He should be facing a trial for with holding evidence and covering up serious crimes

[Ariel Manto]

Nov 13, 2024 9:01:26 GMT Northy said:

He should be facing a trial for with holding evidence and covering up serious crimes

Yes, it's a tricky one.


The report concluded that Welby could have reported the abuse to the police when he was informed in 2013. 

Madly (it semes to me, anyway), in the UK there are currently no criminal sanctions for individuals who fail to report a child at risk. So, while Welby's failure to report the abuse is obviously a serious oversight, it is not classified as a criminal offence under current UK law.

[shakermaker]

Nov 13, 2024 9:32:09 GMT Ariel Manto said:

Nov 13, 2024 9:01:26 GMT Northy said:

He should be facing a trial for with holding evidence and covering up serious crimes

Yes, it's a tricky one.


The report concluded that Welby could have reported the abuse to the police when he was informed in 2013. 

Madly (it semes to me, anyway), in the UK there are currently no criminal sanctions for individuals who fail to report a child at risk. So, while Welby's failure to report the abuse is obviously a serious oversight, it is not classified as a criminal offence under current UK law.

So where do the lines of prosecution for withholding information/evidence lie - does it only apply to fraud and murder investigations?

[phileetin]

guess who was head of cps in 2013 when welby thought the police were going to pursue smythe !!!!!!!

[wannabee]

Nov 13, 2024 10:42:11 GMT phileetin said:

guess who was head of cps in 2013 when welby thought the police were going to pursue smythe !!!!!!!

As usual Phil you show your ignorance because of your bias you haven't thought this through. 

Smyth began his abuse in 1981 and left UK in 1984 leaving a trail of Victims behind.  The Makin report states that some Clergy were aware of Smyths abuse but did nothing to stop or report it, Welby wasn't one of them.

The Church and Welby could no longer deny it was unaware of Smyths abuse when a victim came forward in 2013.

The Makin Report says of this that "Welby could and should have formally reported the abuse to authorities in 2013 when he first became aware, but that he and other senior figures at the church "showed a distinct lack of curiosity" and minimised the matter"

It would be rather difficult for the Police and/or CPS to investigate something they were unaware of. This is precisely the reason Welby had to resign because he covered it up.

The UK Police began an investigation into Smyth in 2017 based on a Channel 4 Investigation and the South African Police were also investigating Smyth where he was living at the time of his death.

Any organisation that colludes in the abuse and even death of children is a vile organisation run  generally by corrupt old men.

[dutchstokie]

Firing squad....done

[phileetin]

Nov 13, 2024 11:31:38 GMT wannabee said:

Nov 13, 2024 10:42:11 GMT phileetin said:

guess who was head of cps in 2013 when welby thought the police were going to pursue smythe !!!!!!!

As usual Phil you show your ignorance because of your bias you haven't thought this through. 

Smyth began his abuse in 1981 and left UK in 1984 leaving a trail of Victims behind.  The Makin report states that some Clergy were aware of Smyths abuse but did nothing to stop or report it, Welby wasn't one of them.

The Church and Welby could no longer deny it was unaware of Smyths abuse when a victim came forward in 2013.

The Makin Report says of this that "Welby could and should have formally reported the abuse to authorities in 2013 when he first became aware, but that he and other senior figures at the church "showed a distinct lack of curiosity" and minimised the matter"

It would be rather difficult for the Police and/or CPS to investigate something they were unaware of. This is precisely the reason Welby had to resign because he covered it up.

The UK Police began an investigation into Smyth in 2017 based on a Channel 4 Investigation and the South African Police were also investigating Smyth where he was living at the time of his death.

Any organisation that colludes in the abuse and even death of children is a vile organisation run  generally by corrupt old men.

when Welby was made aware  in 2013 his excuse for not doing anything was that he thought the authorities were pursuing the matter which i assume meant "the police " .

if police delayed their formal investigation until 2017 following the channel 4 programme it doesn't mean that the "authorities" that Welby refers to isn't the police or , if it isn't , what other authorities are there ?