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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2024 13:42:44 GMT
Christ it’s horrendous 😳
A years worth of rain in 8 hours
Such a beautiful city as well
Cars piled up everywhere
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 31, 2024 15:01:37 GMT
A shocker pal. 100 odd dead so far. Must be absolute carnage.
Problem with big parts of Spain i guess is the lack of grass and vegetation so the sandy earth gets ripped up easily with torrential storms causing chaos.
Very sad to see how bad this ongoing incident is 🙏
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2024 15:52:17 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 31, 2024 16:05:28 GMT
158 now and more expected. Seems they might not be over the bad weather either yet. I bloody hope they are 🙏 |
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Post by senojbor on Oct 31, 2024 18:38:13 GMT
The pictures coming out are horrendous. Sending prayers to them
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2024 18:39:49 GMT
The pictures coming out are horrendous. Sending prays for them I can’t believe some of the devastation I’ve just seen on ITV News at 6-30😳 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2024 21:56:58 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 31, 2024 21:59:42 GMT
Fuck about. Its like the freeway out of Atlanta in the walking dead 😥 😔 Absolute carnage. Awful. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 31, 2024 22:05:14 GMT
Shocking. My heart goes out to the people of Valencia
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 31, 2024 23:14:52 GMT
Very sad. Visited there about 10 years ago and it’s a beautiful city.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 31, 2024 23:17:25 GMT
Very sad. Visited there about 10 years ago and it’s a beautiful city. Definitely. I remember though that the big parkland/walkway that runs through the centre was as a result of diverting the natural river flow due to a catastrophic flood previously. |
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Post by superjw on Nov 1, 2024 14:40:21 GMT
Very sad. Visited there about 10 years ago and it’s a beautiful city. Definitely. I remember though that the big parkland/walkway that runs through the centre was as a result of diverting the natural river flow due to a catastrophic flood previously. Yep it was caused by a phenomenon in Spain called “Gota Fría” which causes these crazy rain storms and flooding. Think Valencia diverted the river in the 50s after multiple floods over the years and one specifically catastrophic one causing loads of damage |
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Post by Northy on Nov 1, 2024 15:03:03 GMT
Definitely. I remember though that the big parkland/walkway that runs through the centre was as a result of diverting the natural river flow due to a catastrophic flood previously. Yep it was caused by a phenomenon in Spain called “Gota Fría” which causes these crazy rain storms and flooding. Think Valencia diverted the river in the 50s after multiple floods over the years and one specifically catastrophic one causing loads of damage Late 60's when it was completed. I like the city, been back twice since we played there. I had friends running the VAlencia half marathon on Sunday, said it rained just about all of it, they came back on Monday so were lucky. I presume the Valencia marathon in 4 weeks time will be cancelled |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 1, 2024 16:35:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2024 16:40:41 GMT
It’s orate cos climate change doesn’t exist.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 1, 2024 17:29:40 GMT
Awful, my thoughts are with everyone involved......
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 2, 2024 6:58:54 GMT
It’s orate cos climate change doesn’t exist. They had a bad flood in 1957 and 75 floods in the seven centuries prior to that if you read up on it mate. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 2, 2024 8:16:17 GMT
It’s orate cos climate change doesn’t exist. Heavy rains this time of the year are not uncommon in Mid and southern Spain. Cold air from the Atlantic meets warmer wetter air from the Mediterranean and it rises over higher ground spilling its water over dry land. Apparently water temperature in the Med only needs to be less than one degree higher than average to cause this devastation. As it happens the water temperature this year is higher than average. |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 3, 2024 23:36:02 GMT
Concrete.
Tarmac.
Gravel.
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Post by turtlefox on Nov 4, 2024 0:04:42 GMT
The power of an upset ecosystem. |
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 4, 2024 1:07:54 GMT
I see the King of Spain has taken a lot of grief from the people, but it’s the government who have a lot to answer for. It seems they didn’t issue the text weather alert until well into the evening, when the flooding had already caused a great deal of damage.
Because of this, people were caught by surprise inside their cars, garages, shops and ground floors, trapped and not able to get out. So it’s a massive act of negligence from the authorities.
The locals were then more or less abandoned by the government, who didn’t send help until almost 4 days after the disaster.
Currently there are more than 2.500 people missing and more than 200 confirmed deaths. I’ll be surprised if the final number will be way higher than that.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 4, 2024 6:10:29 GMT
There's a few of these posts knocking around which show the reason for the disaster in an alternative light.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 4, 2024 7:05:14 GMT
Awful, my thoughts are with everyone involved...... I had a weekend in Valencia a few years back. It’s a beautiful city. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 4, 2024 7:44:04 GMT
There's a few of these posts knocking around which show the reason for the disaster in an alternative light. Amazing isn't it, most normal people know large dams were built by humans and are there to hold water to supply the population with water when needed ... There's some that will twist that though, and then some gullible ones who will believe, no research, where are all these dams located? Dams built by beavers and smaller swales by humans to hold back smaller amounts of water are totally different. 76% of those dams in the tweet were low level weirs etc that stopped migratory fish which had dropped by 93% That's also an out of date report, France were the leaders in obstacle removals over the last 2 years. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 4, 2024 8:12:51 GMT
This thread reminds me of the It's ok not be ok thread.
Lots of climate change sceptics, net zero critics, green agenda attackers and Thunberg haters suddenly acquiring some sympathy for the victims of one of the repeatedly predicted consequences of the very thing they spend the rest of their time ridiculing.
In many ways it's similar to the amount of time some posters spend on the mental health thread desperately trying to come afross as a great guy (many of the same characters, ironically) while continuing to make snide remarks on lots of other threads.
It's almost like "if I act all sympathetic now about something I'll continue to be an arse about elsewhere, that's ok" 😏
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 4, 2024 8:23:32 GMT
This thread reminds me of the It's ok not be ok thread. Lots of climate change sceptics, net zero critics, green agenda attackers and Thunberg haters suddenly acquiring some sympathy for the victims of one of the repeatedly predicted consequences of the very thing they spend the rest of their time ridiculing. In many ways it's similar to the amount of time some posters spend on the mental health thread desperately trying to come afross as a great guy (many of the same characters, ironically) while continuing to make snide remarks on lots of other threads. It's almost like "if I act all sympathetic now about something I'll continue to be an arse about elsewhere, that's ok" 😏 Then there are those on this mb who jump on the climate change bandwagon and blame it for every unusual weather occurrence. I’m not a climate change sceptic but there is a lot more to this disaster than "climate change". |
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Post by Northy on Nov 4, 2024 8:39:59 GMT
I see the King of Spain has taken a lot of grief from the people, but it’s the government who have a lot to answer for. It seems they didn’t issue the text weather alert until well into the evening, when the flooding had already caused a great deal of damage. Because of this, people were caught by surprise inside their cars, garages, shops and ground floors, trapped and not able to get out. So it’s a massive act of negligence from the authorities. The locals were then more or less abandoned by the government, who didn’t send help until almost 4 days after the disaster. Currently there are more than 2.500 people missing and more than 200 confirmed deaths. I’ll be surprised if the final number will be way higher than that. I was a bit shocked that we hadn't seen film of helicopters flying overhead with relief supplies and army/navy units in boats etc the day and days after, the government seemed very slow to react and respond. I and probably most other ex forces guys on here did disaster relief training as part of sea work up and deployment training. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 4, 2024 8:42:51 GMT
It’s orate cos climate change doesn’t exist. Heavy rains this time of the year are not uncommon in Mid and southern Spain. Cold air from the Atlantic meets warmer wetter air from the Mediterranean and it rises over higher ground spilling its water over dry land. Apparently water temperature in the Med only needs to be less than one degree higher than average to cause this devastation. As it happens the water temperature this year is higher than average. As it is around most of the world, when I was in Chicago a few weeks ago, Lake Michigan was 2'C higher than normal, we've seen most sea temperatures higher than normal this year, and they are getting warmer earlier in the year, it's as if the predictions on temperatures rising with climate change don't exist  |
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Post by superjw on Nov 4, 2024 9:00:17 GMT
This thread reminds me of the It's ok not be ok thread. Lots of climate change sceptics, net zero critics, green agenda attackers and Thunberg haters suddenly acquiring some sympathy for the victims of one of the repeatedly predicted consequences of the very thing they spend the rest of their time ridiculing. In many ways it's similar to the amount of time some posters spend on the mental health thread desperately trying to come afross as a great guy (many of the same characters, ironically) while continuing to make snide remarks on lots of other threads. It's almost like "if I act all sympathetic now about something I'll continue to be an arse about elsewhere, that's ok" 😏 Then there are those on this mb who jump on the climate change bandwagon and blame it for every unusual weather occurrence. I’m not a climate change sceptic but there is a lot more to this disaster than "climate change". It’s very nuanced, climate change exists of course and then there is what I call the “human induced” climate change which is what everyone is talking about. But you are right there is a lot more to this than just the human climate change side - extreme weather in this region has been happening for a very long time and this isn’t the first disaster in the area, hence why river diversions were needed in the end decades ago. (The old riverbed is a park i think now?) Has this disaster happened purely because of human induced climate change? I’d say not. It’s likely a contributing factor for sure in an area known for annual extremes of the cold front that hits. Take the climate of 100 years ago and apply it to this event - it still would have happened, with some arguments over its severity perhaps. What seems to be clear is the Spanish government have a lot to answer for in their reaction and communications to the people in the area. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 4, 2024 9:44:03 GMT
This thread reminds me of the It's ok not be ok thread. Lots of climate change sceptics, net zero critics, green agenda attackers and Thunberg haters suddenly acquiring some sympathy for the victims of one of the repeatedly predicted consequences of the very thing they spend the rest of their time ridiculing. In many ways it's similar to the amount of time some posters spend on the mental health thread desperately trying to come afross as a great guy (many of the same characters, ironically) while continuing to make snide remarks on lots of other threads. It's almost like "if I act all sympathetic now about something I'll continue to be an arse about elsewhere, that's ok" 😏 "You're definitely not, ya overweight, out of shape, middle-aged loser in a dead-end job with a string of failed relationships behind him, living in shitty rented accommodation in the dump that is Stoke-on-Trent..." Guessing someone hacked your account when yoos said this then 😆 🤣 |
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