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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 1, 2024 0:02:59 GMT
20 years ago I was told be somebody high up in local government that I'd be dead before Stoke regenerated. I was affronted by this and saw it as a challenge to immerse myself in a field that I naively believed would make a difference to people. I still aim to do that as best I can, but I now agree with that person, who was probably just trying to warn me anyway. You can't be in it for the money, Jesus Christ you can earn far more dealing with the commercial sides of the industry, but it helps me sleep at night and at least I'm using what I know to try and improve everybody's lot, rather than just my own. It just gets a bit tiring when you're shat on from a great height constantly by people who really should just be their to support you to do your job to the best of your professional ability - leaving them to benefit from any positive outcome that you facilitate. If that's not what people want to hear then fair do's but I'm afraid that's the reality of the situation for most people directly involved in this shambles. I have absolutely no experience or knowledge of what you are describing within Local Government but fully accept what you are saying to be true With respect what you are describing is less talented people than yourself taking credit for the valuable work you perform This is hardly a new phenomenon in Local Government, Private Industry or any organization you could think of. This is a structural management failure. Politicians you mean? I've worked for a central government department, a couple of local authorities and in the third sector. In my opinion they're the scourge of all those sectors.
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Post by tuum on Nov 1, 2024 3:12:22 GMT
That's great, but nothing in it details the issues with the practical aspect of constructing such a place. Inflation post COVID, in relation to both labour and materials costs, runs at a bare minimum of 20% - and that's for shit labour too. Finishing HS2 and the other civils projects they're promising (schools, hospitals, etc) and all the retrofit they're already delivering on the existing housing stock will provide stiff competition for scant resources, again in relation to materials, labour and the supply chain in general. They need 10 years to create a workforce, nevermind upskill one, to deliver on the scale they're promising. I predict they're going to have to bite the bullet and prioritise what they try to support and drive through and housing will be sacrificed in their first term. I highly recommend anyone who is interested in obtaining a trade or profession in the construction or civils industries to seriously look at pursuing it. It'll be like printing money because they're in such short supply. Good to hear from my perspective. I am a Civil/Structural engineer by profession and am considering returning to the UK from overseas. My only concern is being out of the loop for so long I would struggle to find work...and possibly my age (late 50's) I have not done any civil design work for many years. I just do project mgt stuff these days. I assume I will need to brush up on some UK relevant HSE stuff and a crash course in NEC (been in oil&gas for a while so never used) and I will be good to go?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 1, 2024 6:38:06 GMT
That's great, but nothing in it details the issues with the practical aspect of constructing such a place. Inflation post COVID, in relation to both labour and materials costs, runs at a bare minimum of 20% - and that's for shit labour too. Finishing HS2 and the other civils projects they're promising (schools, hospitals, etc) and all the retrofit they're already delivering on the existing housing stock will provide stiff competition for scant resources, again in relation to materials, labour and the supply chain in general. They need 10 years to create a workforce, nevermind upskill one, to deliver on the scale they're promising. I predict they're going to have to bite the bullet and prioritise what they try to support and drive through and housing will be sacrificed in their first term. I highly recommend anyone who is interested in obtaining a trade or profession in the construction or civils industries to seriously look at pursuing it. It'll be like printing money because they're in such short supply. Good to hear from my perspective. I am a Civil/Structural engineer by profession and am considering returning to the UK from overseas. My only concern is being out of the loop for so long I would struggle to find work...and possibly my age (late 50's) I have not done any civil design work for many years. I just do project mgt stuff these days. I assume I will need to brush up on some UK relevant HSE stuff and a crash course in NEC (been in oil&gas for a while so never used) and I will be good to go? I imagine you'd fly it. Be prepared for some frustration I imagine too!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 1, 2024 8:03:57 GMT
That's great, but nothing in it details the issues with the practical aspect of constructing such a place. Inflation post COVID, in relation to both labour and materials costs, runs at a bare minimum of 20% - and that's for shit labour too. Finishing HS2 and the other civils projects they're promising (schools, hospitals, etc) and all the retrofit they're already delivering on the existing housing stock will provide stiff competition for scant resources, again in relation to materials, labour and the supply chain in general. They need 10 years to create a workforce, nevermind upskill one, to deliver on the scale they're promising. I predict they're going to have to bite the bullet and prioritise what they try to support and drive through and housing will be sacrificed in their first term. I highly recommend anyone who is interested in obtaining a trade or profession in the construction or civils industries to seriously look at pursuing it. It'll be like printing money because they're in such short supply. The fact is, there’s always a government (Labour or Conservative) and no matter who is in, building a significant number of homes across each parliament is always in a manifesto, yet neither have any sort of skills strategy, strategy to get skilled foreign labour into the workforce etc.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 1, 2024 8:13:29 GMT
James O’Brien played this on his LBC show. You’re not James O’Brien are you Badge?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 1, 2024 8:15:53 GMT
James O’Brien played this on his LBC show. You’re not James O’Brien are you Badge? James O'Brian isn't that big a cunt I'm afraid.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 1, 2024 8:20:39 GMT
I have absolutely no experience or knowledge of what you are describing within Local Government but fully accept what you are saying to be true With respect what you are describing is less talented people than yourself taking credit for the valuable work you perform This is hardly a new phenomenon in Local Government, Private Industry or any organization you could think of. This is a structural management failure. Politicians you mean? I've worked for a central government department, a couple of local authorities and in the third sector. In my opinion they're the scourge of all those sectors. Whichever way anyone paints it (including Farage supporters) politicians are like car salesman and civil servants are the people building, maintaining, and running the car. We are the passengers paying for all of it. Politicians will tell you anything from their own perspective to make you buy what they are selling more often than not to make them money. Politicians may not be selling you what you need, but they'll make it sound as though what they are selling is both what you need and want. The only way you get to find what you both want and really need is to do your own research on the precise thing you and your family need. You don't need politicians for that - they are just a necessary evil you have to listen to in order to be able to vote for what you need.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 1, 2024 8:21:49 GMT
James O’Brien played this on his LBC show. You’re not James O’Brien are you Badge? James O'Brian isn't that big a cunt I'm afraid. 100%
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 1, 2024 8:27:29 GMT
Politicians you mean? I've worked for a central government department, a couple of local authorities and in the third sector. In my opinion they're the scourge of all those sectors. Whichever way anyone paints it (including Farage supporters) politicians are like car salesman and civil servants are the people building, maintaining, and running the car. We are the passengers paying for all of it. Politicians will tell you anything from their own perspective to make you buy what they are selling more often than not to make them money. Politicians may not be selling you what you need, but they'll make it sound as though what they are selling is both what you need and want. The only way you get to find what you both want and really need is to do your own research on the precise thing you and your family need. You don't need politicians for that - they are just a necessary evil you have to listen to in order to be able to vote for what you need. They're a malign influence.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 1, 2024 9:14:46 GMT
And they're upset for good reason. We should be helping farmers as much as possible to help us become more food self sufficient anyway. Especially a net zero fixated govt like this you'd have thought. Instead they are ruining them which will lead to even more co2 heavy imports of food. Maybe they are wanting to ruin them to compulsory purchase their land for some of these new towns they want to build 🤔 I love a conspiracy 😆 Most farmers around here are using their land for visitors to attract money/income on top of the yields. Those with farmland benefited from Agricultural Property Relief (APR, which meant there was zero inheritance tax on their land when passing it down to future generations. Labour changed it so farms worth up to £1 million will still benefit from the inheritance tax relief, but those worth more will have to pay an inheritance tax rate of 20%. It is perfectly understandable why farmers not using their land solely for farming should be taxed the same (if not more) inheritance tax rate for land worth over £1m as someone with domestic property or land worth £500k not subject to APR or farming subsidies. A big percentage of farms will fall into this above 1m valuation bracket. And a lot are never sold anyway as they are simply handed down to new family generations. Now they've got to find 20% of the value to inherit it. Its a bit of a joke this policy. They tried to get them with nitrate usage. Then they tried to make them cover their fields with 10 or 20% tree cover or something like that. We should surely be focused on becoming more food self sufficient. Rather than relying on imports. CO2 friendly to be self sufficient. I'd like Millibands view on this issue..... Farmers need special status from an IHT point of view. It makes sense.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2024 9:18:47 GMT
Most farmers around here are using their land for visitors to attract money/income on top of the yields. Those with farmland benefited from Agricultural Property Relief (APR, which meant there was zero inheritance tax on their land when passing it down to future generations. Labour changed it so farms worth up to £1 million will still benefit from the inheritance tax relief, but those worth more will have to pay an inheritance tax rate of 20%. It is perfectly understandable why farmers not using their land solely for farming should be taxed the same (if not more) inheritance tax rate for land worth over £1m as someone with domestic property or land worth £500k not subject to APR or farming subsidies. A big percentage of farms will fall into this above 1m valuation bracket. And a lot are never sold anyway as they are simply handed down to new family generations. Now they've got to find 20% of the value to inherit it. Its a bit of a joke this policy. They tried to get them with nitrate usage. Then they tried to make them cover their fields with 10 or 20% tree cover or something like that. We should surely be focused on becoming more food self sufficient. Rather than relying on imports. CO2 friendly to be self sufficient. I'd like Millibands view on this issue..... Farmers need special status from an IHT point of view. It makes sense. easy only make IHT apply if its sold within 7 years
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Post by phileetin on Nov 1, 2024 9:48:04 GMT
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 1, 2024 9:49:16 GMT
Most farmers around here are using their land for visitors to attract money/income on top of the yields. Those with farmland benefited from Agricultural Property Relief (APR, which meant there was zero inheritance tax on their land when passing it down to future generations. Labour changed it so farms worth up to £1 million will still benefit from the inheritance tax relief, but those worth more will have to pay an inheritance tax rate of 20%. It is perfectly understandable why farmers not using their land solely for farming should be taxed the same (if not more) inheritance tax rate for land worth over £1m as someone with domestic property or land worth £500k not subject to APR or farming subsidies. A big percentage of farms will fall into this above 1m valuation bracket. And a lot are never sold anyway as they are simply handed down to new family generations. Now they've got to find 20% of the value to inherit it. Its a bit of a joke this policy. They tried to get them with nitrate usage. Then they tried to make them cover their fields with 10 or 20% tree cover or something like that. We should surely be focused on becoming more food self sufficient. Rather than relying on imports. CO2 friendly to be self sufficient. I'd like Millibands view on this issue..... Farmers need special status from an IHT point of view. It makes sense. As you’ve explained, most farmers have over £1m in assets under their feet and as of now pay the same amount of inheritance tax as everyone else. People like Jeremy Clarkson, who only bought their farms in order to avoid inheritance tax, really aren’t helping the case of the farmers as they personify the fact that farm owners are both business people and landowners who before now were exempt from inheritance tax. Farmers get the APR subsidy as it is. Farmers just need to pay their dues as everyone else does and get over themselves. There is no conspiracy. Farmers cannot argue that they have a sense of entitlement as they perform a public good and so should be exempt from tax when public servants such as police, nurses, and teachers all pay the same amount of tax as everyone else. It’s just tax equality.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 1, 2024 9:58:43 GMT
A big percentage of farms will fall into this above 1m valuation bracket. And a lot are never sold anyway as they are simply handed down to new family generations. Now they've got to find 20% of the value to inherit it. Its a bit of a joke this policy. They tried to get them with nitrate usage. Then they tried to make them cover their fields with 10 or 20% tree cover or something like that. We should surely be focused on becoming more food self sufficient. Rather than relying on imports. CO2 friendly to be self sufficient. I'd like Millibands view on this issue..... Farmers need special status from an IHT point of view. It makes sense. As you’ve explained, most farmers have over £1m in assets under their feet and as of now pay the same amount of inheritance tax as everyone else. People like Jeremy Clarkson, who only bought their farms in order to avoid inheritance tax, really aren’t helping the case of the farmers as they personify the fact that farm owners are both business people and landowners who before now were exempt from inheritance tax. Farmers get the APR subsidy as it is. Farmers just need to pay their dues as everyone else does and get over themselves. There is no conspiracy - just tax equality. Fair enough. I disagree with you though. To be fair I grew up in the dairy heartlands of N Shropshire so have lived in this community so maybe understand their plight a bit better. Farmers should have special status. They grow our food. And from an environmental perspective it makes sense to be growing our own food instead of importing more and more of it adding to emissions.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 1, 2024 10:08:36 GMT
As you’ve explained, most farmers have over £1m in assets under their feet and as of now pay the same amount of inheritance tax as everyone else. People like Jeremy Clarkson, who only bought their farms in order to avoid inheritance tax, really aren’t helping the case of the farmers as they personify the fact that farm owners are both business people and landowners who before now were exempt from inheritance tax. Farmers get the APR subsidy as it is. Farmers just need to pay their dues as everyone else does and get over themselves. There is no conspiracy - just tax equality. Fair enough. I disagree with you though. To be fair I grew up in the dairy heartlands of N Shropshire so have lived in this community so maybe understand their plight a bit better. Farmers should have special status. They grow our food. And from an environmental perspective it makes sense to be growing our own food instead of importing more and more of it adding to emissions. I don’t accept that you understand their “plight” any better when farmers are happy throwing everyone else under the taxation bus just so they can claim exemption from it. The police and nurses provide essential public services too. They get no tax exemptions. Farmers need to pay their way and stop the ridiculous sense of entitlement they think they have which they think means they should not be paying for essential public services through inheritance tax. Farmers already get subsidised. They need to contribute to the society they say they belong to and provide for through tax equality - as everyone else does. Do farmers really want the rest of society looking down on them (ironically, given the sense of entitle they think they have) because they openly don’t want to pay their fair share?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2024 10:11:37 GMT
As you’ve explained, most farmers have over £1m in assets under their feet and as of now pay the same amount of inheritance tax as everyone else. People like Jeremy Clarkson, who only bought their farms in order to avoid inheritance tax, really aren’t helping the case of the farmers as they personify the fact that farm owners are both business people and landowners who before now were exempt from inheritance tax. Farmers get the APR subsidy as it is. Farmers just need to pay their dues as everyone else does and get over themselves. There is no conspiracy - just tax equality. Fair enough. I disagree with you though. To be fair I grew up in the dairy heartlands of N Shropshire so have lived in this community so maybe understand their plight a bit better. Farmers should have special status. They grow our food. And from an environmental perspective it makes sense to be growing our own food instead of importing more and more of it adding to emissions. im all for everyone paying their way but it has to be fair a family may own that farm outright through generations, forcing them to mortgage it up to pay IHT doesnt seem moral - now if the the recipient intends to sell then fair enough tax on the gains but if its staying in the family its almost the family home Agriculture IHT is already in place for certain cases and it seems that the measure was designed to capture the non farming farm owners such as james dyson but unfortunately smaller farmers may get dragged in (from the guardian - instead, it may be the estates of some of the wealthiest people in Britain that are liable for inheritance tax. Those might include vacuum cleaner billionaire James Dyson, who owns 14,600 hectares of British farmland, and Danish fashion investor Anders Holch Povlsen, who reportedly owns more than 89,000 hectares of Scotland. Those estates may now be liable for hundreds of millions of pounds of inheritance tax, where previously they would have paid none. Neither Dyson nor Polvsen responded to requests for comment.)
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 1, 2024 10:17:13 GMT
Fair enough. I disagree with you though. To be fair I grew up in the dairy heartlands of N Shropshire so have lived in this community so maybe understand their plight a bit better. Farmers should have special status. They grow our food. And from an environmental perspective it makes sense to be growing our own food instead of importing more and more of it adding to emissions. im all for everyone paying their way but it has to be faira family may own that farm outright through generations, forcing them to mortgage it up to pay IHT doesnt seem moral - now if the the recipient intends to sell then fair enough tax on the gains but if its staying in the family its almost the family home Agriculture IHT is already in place for certain cases and it seems that the measure was designed to capture the non farming farm owners such as james dyson but unfortunately smaller farmers may get dragged in (from the guardian - instead, it may be the estates of some of the wealthiest people in Britain that are liable for inheritance tax. Those might include vacuum cleaner billionaire James Dyson, who owns 14,600 hectares of British farmland, and Danish fashion investor Anders Holch Povlsen, who reportedly owns more than 89,000 hectares of Scotland. Those estates may now be liable for hundreds of millions of pounds of inheritance tax, where previously they would have paid none. Neither Dyson nor Polvsen responded to requests for comment.) Agree. An awful lot of family farms will still be exempt anyway. But to claim that all farmers should be exempt from inheritance tax on principle is a ludicrous stance.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 1, 2024 10:19:03 GMT
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Post by questionable on Nov 1, 2024 10:21:37 GMT
I got talking to a couple from Betley who had a CPO imposed on their property which isn’t happening now, from what they told me they’d enquired about buying back their old property but quoted quite a lot than they’d sold it for.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 1, 2024 10:28:54 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2024 10:30:24 GMT
There is plenty of money – it’s just in the wrong hands. The richest 1% in the UK hold more wealth than 70% of Britons. By refusing to impose a wealth tax, this government has chosen to force vulnerable communities to pay the price for years of economic failure, instead of making the richest pay their fair share. Labour’s first budget shows us whose side they’re on.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 1, 2024 10:42:48 GMT
There is plenty of money – it’s just in the wrong hands. The richest 1% in the UK hold more wealth than 70% of Britons. By refusing to impose a wealth tax, this government has chosen to force vulnerable communities to pay the price for years of economic failure, instead of making the richest pay their fair share. Labour’s first budget shows us whose side they’re on. Interesting proposals:- 1) introduce wealth taxes; such as equalising inheritance tax and closing non-dom tax loopholes?2) abolish the two-child benefit cap and stop attacking welfare recipients; the two child benefit cap is fair and there is no attack on welfare recipients - there is crack down on benefit fraud.3) reverse cuts to winter fuel; it’s not a cut, it’s now means tested.4) restore the £2 bus cap; it’s been increased to ensure sustainability with a view to re-nationalisation5) invest in a Green New Deal; they are!
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2024 10:46:26 GMT
There is plenty of money – it’s just in the wrong hands. The richest 1% in the UK hold more wealth than 70% of Britons. By refusing to impose a wealth tax, this government has chosen to force vulnerable communities to pay the price for years of economic failure, instead of making the richest pay their fair share. Labour’s first budget shows us whose side they’re on. Interesting proposals:- 1) introduce wealth taxes; such as equalising inheritance tax and closing non-dom tax loopholes?2) abolish the two-child benefit cap and stop attacking welfare recipients; the two child benefit cap is fair and there is no attack on welfare recipients - there is crack down on benefit fraud.3) reverse cuts to winter fuel; it’s not a cut, it’s now means tested.4) restore the £2 bus cap; it’s been increased to ensure sustainability with a view to re-nationalisation5) invest in a Green New Deal; they are! And still the richest 1% in the UK will hold more wealth than 70% of Britons those measures do nothing to really redistribute wealth in the short term debatable in the long term
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Post by wannabee on Nov 1, 2024 10:55:25 GMT
You really don't understand these things do you Liz Truss's unfunded Tax Cuts caused 10 Year Gilts to go from 3.03% to 4.42% an almost 50% increase. This caused Pension Funds to fire sale some Gilt Holdings due to legal liquidity requirements. This permanently reduced the value of Pension Funds as anyone retiring within a few years of this debacle has/will find out. BoE stepped in and bought £65Bn worth of Pension Funds Gilts to prevent some collapsing entirely. Oh and Sterling reached its lowest rate against the Dollar in History. To be fair Gilt/Bond rates were moving up in most Countries to try and quell inflation but not as high as in UK because there was an added what was known as in the Markets a "Moron Premium" on UK Gilts When Labour took office in July 10 year Gilts were 4.25% as they were before Reeves Budget. Today they are hovering just below 4.5% an increase of 6%. If inflation remains steady I'd expect them to edge downwards after another BoE rate cut.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 1, 2024 11:55:28 GMT
A big percentage of farms will fall into this above 1m valuation bracket. And a lot are never sold anyway as they are simply handed down to new family generations. Now they've got to find 20% of the value to inherit it. Its a bit of a joke this policy. They tried to get them with nitrate usage. Then they tried to make them cover their fields with 10 or 20% tree cover or something like that. We should surely be focused on becoming more food self sufficient. Rather than relying on imports. CO2 friendly to be self sufficient. I'd like Millibands view on this issue..... Farmers need special status from an IHT point of view. It makes sense. easy only make IHT apply if its sold within 7 years As you know the 7 year rule applies prior to death which probably means there will be a lot more succession planning before April 2026 To me it seems to be a lot of noise about very little I believe the average family farm in England is 88 hectares (it varies by region) about 220 acres. At say £10K per acre that's £2.2M If farm passed to son/daughter they would receive £325K inheritance relief rising to £500K if there is a dwelling plus the £1M relief So £2.2M - £1.5M = £700K x 20% = £140K paid over 10 years = £14K Inheritance tax per year. I don't think the new Inheritance Tax is designed to penalise Family Farms but large landowners and arseholes like Clarkson who boasts that he bought a £4+M farm to avoid inheritance Tax Take James Dyson who owns more land than Charlie at 35,000 acres which on the same £10K per acre valuation is £350M to be passed on Tax Free. Feel free to correct my figures as necessary
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Post by wannabee on Nov 1, 2024 12:11:21 GMT
There is plenty of money – it’s just in the wrong hands. The richest 1% in the UK hold more wealth than 70% of Britons. By refusing to impose a wealth tax, this government has chosen to force vulnerable communities to pay the price for years of economic failure, instead of making the richest pay their fair share. Labour’s first budget shows us whose side they’re on. Can you point to any country where a wealth tax was introduced successfully or alternatively how you would introduce one?
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Post by wannabee on Nov 1, 2024 12:34:29 GMT
This is a highly disingenuous statement Labour is raising defence expenditure to 2.5% of GDP while telling us there is no money to lift 250,000 children out of poverty. This is a lie.It certainly is a lie, Labour is doing no such thing. Labour committed to raise Defense spending to 2.5% when the Economy could afford it. It is highly inflammatory to suggest Labour would prioritise Defense spending over Child Poverty We, along with nearly 100 progressive Independent and Green politicians across the country, are calling on the LabourCareful wording by using the ambiguous word Politicians some of whom on the list represent nobody never mind a Constituency Few would argue with the sentiment they are expressing but they come across like jilted lovers
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Post by Ariel Manto on Nov 1, 2024 12:42:34 GMT
Interesting proposals:- 1) introduce wealth taxes; such as equalising inheritance tax and closing non-dom tax loopholes?2) abolish the two-child benefit cap and stop attacking welfare recipients; the two child benefit cap is fair and there is no attack on welfare recipients - there is crack down on benefit fraud.3) reverse cuts to winter fuel; it’s not a cut, it’s now means tested.4) restore the £2 bus cap; it’s been increased to ensure sustainability with a view to re-nationalisation5) invest in a Green New Deal; they are! And still the richest 1% in the UK will hold more wealth than 70% of Britons those measures do nothing to really redistribute wealth in the short term debatable in the long term As much as I accept that, I feel Labour went as far as they possibly could in this budget without causing another Liz Truss moment.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 1, 2024 12:52:29 GMT
It's not austerity - it's largely taking money from employers (and employees indirectly) to fund public services, whilst loosening debt rules to fund infrastructure.
This government will live and die based on the results of the extra money which I'd hope is going to go hand in hand with reform/modernisation in the case of the NHS. I'm surprised more hasn't been made of social care - it's critical that this is joined up with primary care much more effectively if we want a sustainable service.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2024 13:15:07 GMT
There is plenty of money – it’s just in the wrong hands. The richest 1% in the UK hold more wealth than 70% of Britons. By refusing to impose a wealth tax, this government has chosen to force vulnerable communities to pay the price for years of economic failure, instead of making the richest pay their fair share. Labour’s first budget shows us whose side they’re on. Can you point to any country where a wealth tax was introduced successfully or alternatively how you would introduce one? I can’t think of a country that’s had wealth taxes full stop Let’s innovate
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