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Post by greenhoff on Oct 23, 2024 9:24:20 GMT
We've only conceded that number of shots once since relegation, in a tonking at Swansea under Nathan Jones, when we had Edwards and BMI sent off at the start of the second half. In a home match, I've never seen anything like it. The home match that it reminded me of was Leeds under Bielsa, where we just looked stupid, but just checked and they only had 21 shots in that game 113 shots in 6 games. I'd say most teams wouldn't concede that in half a season. Absolutely staggering |
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 23, 2024 9:27:09 GMT
We've only conceded that number of shots once since relegation, in a tonking at Swansea under Nathan Jones, when we had Edwards and BMI sent off at the start of the second half. In a home match, I've never seen anything like it. The home match that it reminded me of was Leeds under Bielsa, where we just looked stupid, but just checked and they only had 21 shots in that game To be honest, I'd be disappointed giving up that many chances in a home match against a top PL side, let alone Bristol City. It's a massive worry, and unsustainable. You could argue we’ve got very fortunate these last two games. As you correctly say it’s just not sustainable. We’re going to take an almighty hammering if he doesn’t sort it |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 23, 2024 10:38:09 GMT
To be honest, I'd be disappointed giving up that many chances in a home match against a top PL side, let alone Bristol City. It's a massive worry, and unsustainable. You could argue we’ve got very fortunate these last two games. As you correctly say it’s just not sustainable. We’re going to take an almighty hammering if he doesn’t sort it I'll give you the time and date mate. 3pm Sheffield 26/10/24 |
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Post by vidigoals on Oct 23, 2024 10:54:38 GMT
Probably not but that's why we've got a top keeper. I'd rather have 50 shots against us on goal and draw 3-3 than concede 1 shot against and lose 1-0. So it's ok to give up so many shots as we've got a decent keeper? That's a strange argument. The argument is I'd rather have 50 shots against us on goal and draw 3-3 than concede 1 shot against and lose 1-0. Points over stats, always. |
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Post by haway on Oct 23, 2024 10:57:10 GMT
Shows how good your keeper is I suppose.
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Post by noustie on Oct 23, 2024 11:02:57 GMT
Davy Crockett's dying words at the Alamo were apparently 'Fuck me I feel like Viktor Johansson v Bristol City!'
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 23, 2024 13:22:28 GMT
28 shots 13 Corners Against. That's just fucking abysmal. Near enough a shot every 2 minutes (counting the ball being out of play for a 1/3 of the game). We have to be the easiest team in the league to play against. Pelach gives it all the nice phrases, pressing, high-intensity. The buzz words that got him the job. But the fact of the matter is we have zero midfield, you can run through us at will. And when you easily get to our back 4, it's take your fucking pick. The keeper has single handedly got us two points this week. We should have lost by a fair few to Nowrich and a fair few tonight. But its 2 home games down the swanny. The reverse fixtures will be 0 points. Let's put things into perspective a bit. Of these 28 shots - 10 of them were off target non-events, 8 of them were blocked (with those two shots from Knight well defended), and another 5 fairly straightforward saves. The saves from Knight in both halves came from excellent shots in fairly non-threatening positions. Doesn't excuse that Earthy should have won the game for them if not for Vik's best save of the night. Just the two that we conceded were from very poor marking, and hopefully that can be rectified in training over these next few days. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 23, 2024 13:50:00 GMT
Shots conceded aren't the be all and end all, but we've conceded an average of 17.8 shots per game under Pelach. Last year, Rotherham conceded 15.7 shots per game, for context. Our 12.5 shots per game is fairly mid-table and not so different to our 12.7 last year. It is, of course, a very small sample size.
Our xG/90 is 1.17, which would put us on par with Huddersfield, Birmingham and Sheff Wed last season.
Our xG/90 against, however, is 1.92, equivalent to 88 goals against in a 46 game season. Rotherham had 87 expected goals against them last season.
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 23, 2024 14:02:27 GMT
Shots conceded aren't the be all and end all, but we've conceded an average of 17.8 shots per game under Pelach. Last year, Rotherham conceded 15.7 shots per game, for context. Our 12.5 shots per game is fairly mid-table and not so different to our 12.7 last year. It is, of course, a very small sample size. Our xG/90 is 1.17, which would put us on par with Huddersfield, Birmingham and Sheff Wed last season. Our xG/90 against, however, is 1.92, equivalent to 88 goals against in a 46 game season. Rotherham had 87 expected goals against them last season. Are the XG numbers in your second paragraph just under Pelach or for this season including the Schumacher spell? Terrifying either way. |
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Post by westgatelakes on Oct 23, 2024 15:43:47 GMT
Say what you want but the main problem last night was the performances of Junho, Cannon and Manhoef which resulted in Thompson & Moran being completely swamped in midfield
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 23, 2024 17:11:29 GMT
Say what you want but the main problem last night was the performances of Junho, Cannon and Manhoef which resulted in Thompson & Moran being completely swamped in midfield Junho and Manhoef are being played too deep though. Being on the flanks in a 4-4-2 doesn't suit them. Junho gives the ball away in his own half trying stuff he can get away with further up the pitch, while Manhoef's one trick of dropping a shoulder and cutting inside isn't effective unless he's doing it around the edge of the area. The middle gets swamped because there's constantly an overload in there in favour of the opposition. Cannon's performing poorly because we're knocking it around at the back to draw the press then hoofing it up to him like he's a target man. Their performances aren't up to scratch because they're being used incorrectly. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 23, 2024 17:35:07 GMT
Shots conceded aren't the be all and end all, but we've conceded an average of 17.8 shots per game under Pelach. Last year, Rotherham conceded 15.7 shots per game, for context. Our 12.5 shots per game is fairly mid-table and not so different to our 12.7 last year. It is, of course, a very small sample size. Our xG/90 is 1.17, which would put us on par with Huddersfield, Birmingham and Sheff Wed last season. Our xG/90 against, however, is 1.92, equivalent to 88 goals against in a 46 game season. Rotherham had 87 expected goals against them last season. Are the XG numbers in your second paragraph just under Pelach or for this season including the Schumacher spell? Terrifying either way. Just Pelach's games. But it has been a trend all season. We've got the 4th worst XG against overall - but comfortably the worst since Narcis took over. Obviously a really small sample size, but it's a bit alarming. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Oct 23, 2024 17:45:34 GMT
Are the XG numbers in your second paragraph just under Pelach or for this season including the Schumacher spell? Terrifying either way. Just Pelach's games. But it has been a trend all season. We've got the 4th worst XG against overall - but comfortably the worst since Narcis took over. Obviously a really small sample size, but it's a bit alarming. As one of the most respected posters on here FM, what's your take on Pelach? It feels to me like we're 2-3 bad results from people becoming very, very fed up. It's not all his fault but 6 games in we look worse than under SS, which takes some doing. |
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Post by stokeyank on Oct 23, 2024 17:49:40 GMT
Say what you want but the main problem last night was the performances of Junho, Cannon and Manhoef which resulted in Thompson & Moran being completely swamped in midfield Junho and Manhoef are being played too deep though. Being on the flanks in a 4-4-2 doesn't suit them. Junho gives the ball away in his own half trying stuff he can get away with further up the pitch, while Manhoef's one trick of dropping a shoulder and cutting inside isn't effective unless he's doing it around the edge of the area. The middle gets swamped because there's constantly an overload in there in favour of the opposition. Cannon's performing poorly because we're knocking it around at the back to draw the press then hoofing it up to him like he's a target man. Their performances aren't up to scratch because they're being used incorrectly. I’d say Junho is adjusting a bit to new system and will be fine. He has moments where we see the player and other times looks a bit lost. Cannon to me is bone idle and not very good, even if used correctly. I hope to be wrong but he does not impress me. Million is best to be played off a target man which we don’t have or behind a real striker where he has space to drop that shoulder and get a shot. So I would say one (Million) is being used incorrectly. One (Junho) will be fine in a month or so. And one (Cannon) just isn’t that good. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 23, 2024 18:35:57 GMT
Just Pelach's games. But it has been a trend all season. We've got the 4th worst XG against overall - but comfortably the worst since Narcis took over. Obviously a really small sample size, but it's a bit alarming. As one of the most respected posters on here FM, what's your take on Pelach? It feels to me like we're 2-3 bad results from people becoming very, very fed up. It's not all his fault but 6 games in we look worse than under SS, which takes some doing. Can't really offer anything new! Pretty much agree with what you've put on the 'Narcis Pelach' thread. Seems ridiculous to even start talking about crisis and stuff after 6 games, but these things can get a life of their own if you're not careful, especially if there's an easy stick to beat the manager with - in this case having a midfield that's basically a swinging gate. I don't even want to think about another relegation battle, and debates over whether he'll be backed if we're down there over the winter. There seemed to be a slight hint of positivity before yesterday after an encouraging second half at the weekend, but that was washed away good and proper. If we saw half a step forward since the Boro game, yesterday was definitely 2 steps back. It was comically bad and almost got rid of all the goodwill generated by the Portsmouth game in one fell swoop. The get-out with all our managers is 'well, look what the poor bloke is working with' - so you never know how much to stick the boot into any of them, do you? But if we're as open as we are and giving up as many chances as we are, you can only see it going one way. It'll be interesting to see how he tweaks it going forward because he'll have to. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Oct 23, 2024 18:44:39 GMT
As one of the most respected posters on here FM, what's your take on Pelach? It feels to me like we're 2-3 bad results from people becoming very, very fed up. It's not all his fault but 6 games in we look worse than under SS, which takes some doing. Can't really offer anything new! Pretty much agree with what you've put on the 'Narcis Pelach' thread. Seems ridiculous to even start talking about crisis and stuff after 6 games, but these things can get a life of their own if you're not careful, especially if there's an easy stick to beat the manager with - in this case having a midfield that's basically a swinging gate. I don't even want to think about another relegation battle, and debates over whether he'll be backed if we're down there over the winter. There seemed to be a slight hint of positivity before yesterday after an encouraging second half at the weekend, but that was washed away good and proper. If we saw half a step forward since the Boro game, yesterday was definitely 2 steps back. It was comically bad and almost got rid of all the goodwill generated by the Portsmouth game in one fell swoop. The get-out with all our managers is 'well, look what the poor bloke is working with' - so you never know how much to stick the boot into any of them, do you? But if we're as open as we are and giving up as many chances as we are, you can only see it going one way. It'll be interesting to see how he tweaks it going forward because he'll have to. To be honest, I think I'm exactly where you are with this. I've got this nagging feeling it just isn't right, I'll admit. I rather like him but I've seen no improvement yet, which is disappointing. I know the sample size is small, but it's just been really underwhelming. Last night was one of the most alarming performances I've seen in a home game for years. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2024 18:45:05 GMT
We look better going forward but totally rudderless in midfield. The defence isn’t very good but they’re being put under huge amounts of pressure by a non existent midfield. He has to sure it up for Sheffield United. Not 3 at the back but maybe 4-5-1 with 3 bona fide midfielders, two wide players and maybe Koumas or Cannon just staying in an advanced position, including bloody corners
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 23, 2024 18:49:38 GMT
As one of the most respected posters on here FM, what's your take on Pelach? It feels to me like we're 2-3 bad results from people becoming very, very fed up. It's not all his fault but 6 games in we look worse than under SS, which takes some doing. Can't really offer anything new! Pretty much agree with what you've put on the 'Narcis Pelach' thread. Seems ridiculous to even start talking about crisis and stuff after 6 games, but these things can get a life of their own if you're not careful, especially if there's an easy stick to beat the manager with - in this case having a midfield that's basically a swinging gate. I don't even want to think about another relegation battle, and debates over whether he'll be backed if we're down there over the winter. There seemed to be a slight hint of positivity before yesterday after an encouraging second half at the weekend, but that was washed away good and proper. If we saw half a step forward since the Boro game, yesterday was definitely 2 steps back. It was comically bad and almost got rid of all the goodwill generated by the Portsmouth game in one fell swoop. The get-out with all our managers is 'well, look what the poor bloke is working with' - so you never know how much to stick the boot into any of them, do you? But if we're as open as we are and giving up as many chances as we are, you can only see it going one way. It'll be interesting to see how he tweaks it going forward because he'll have to. The 'look what he's working with' doesn't wash with Pelach though does it. Our DOF does the hiring and the firing. He specifically said we had a good, young squad that he felt needed a change in direction. So according to the powers that be, the squads fine. This won't have a happy ending and we are going to see alot of people trying to save face and a blame game is going to be up and running from fans to Walters. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 23, 2024 21:07:56 GMT
The stats just support what the eye sees , we are heading for the bottom three no question
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Post by questionable on Oct 24, 2024 15:47:22 GMT
Say what you want but the main problem last night was the performances of Junho, Cannon and Manhoef which resulted in Thompson & Moran being completely swamped in midfield They got tight in our wide areas and doubled up on Manhoef, their players were prepared to track back and support their FB’s whereas the likes of Junho just stood there looking completely uninterested and not having the foggiest idea what to do without the ball. All on NP I’m afraid and yet another useless manager/coach whatever and an appalling appointment by Jon useless Walter’s |
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Post by pzstokie on Oct 24, 2024 16:12:34 GMT
My biggest concern is that we look like the away side when we are at home, we never seem to dominant like most teams on their own patch,we should be on top for most of the game not being overrun like on Tuesday
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2024 16:19:55 GMT
Another 19 shots conceded again today apparently looking at the stats which makes it 132 in total in the last 7 games.
We simply cannot carry on like this if we’re to pick up points
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Post by PottersBrim on Oct 26, 2024 16:22:07 GMT
Another 19 shots conceded again today apparently looking at the stats which makes it 132 in total in the last 7 games. We simply cannot carry on like this if we’re to pick up points Another game where our goalkeeper is our best player. |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2024 16:24:45 GMT
1 win in 7
14% win ratio
.85 pts per game
he need one hell of a good run to turn them stats around , just can’t see it myself
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Post by march4 on Oct 26, 2024 16:41:11 GMT
1 win in 7 14% win ratio .85 pts per game he need one hell of a good run to turn them stats around , just can’t see it myself Is it time to start thinking about the tipping point? |
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Post by thornestein on Oct 26, 2024 16:42:07 GMT
1 win in 7 14% win ratio .85 pts per game he need one hell of a good run to turn them stats around , just can’t see it myself Is it time to start thinking about the tipping point? it’s not looking good for everyone concerned |
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Post by senojbor on Oct 26, 2024 16:58:47 GMT
There's only a couple of stats that matter
We are now one point off the relegation places going into November
We were two points off the relegation places when the last manager was sacked in Dec 23
We fought back and ended up last season with 3 more points than the season before under thanks to Schumacher
Then Walters decided to sack him. Obviously with the approval of Coates.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Oct 26, 2024 17:07:37 GMT
Alarming.
It was defense v attack for most of the 1st half.
They let us have the ball after the 2nd goal, they knew we wouldn't hurt them.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 26, 2024 17:09:47 GMT
The main stat is we are fucking shite,& will continue to be so until there is a big change at the top.
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 26, 2024 17:13:39 GMT
There's only a couple of stats that matter We are now one point off the relegation places going into November We were two points off the relegation places when the last manager was sacked in Dec 23 We fought back and ended up last season with 3 more points than the season before under thanks to Schumacher Then Walters decided to sack him. Obviously with the approval of Coates. Yeah Walters is looking really really really out of his depth and he's hired his mates mate as a result. Pretty sure this disaster will see us relegated |
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