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Post by oldschool on Oct 21, 2024 8:45:37 GMT
I genuinely feel since stoke have made the changes to the layout of the ground in terms of where they have put the safe standing and moved the away fans, it’s had an impact on the atmosphere.
The away fans are now barely noticeable because of where they are. And because an element of the those that create the atmosphere have moved from the boothen to the south stand, it’s really affected our home atmosphere.
I genuinely think now, the ground is flat and regardless of performances, it won’t return thanks to this lay out. The south stand is essentially like Stoke fans on away days. Too many Delilah’s, it loses its touch.
I think the club should have put safe standing in the boothen, this would have kept the atmosphere as a ‘bowl’
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 21, 2024 8:52:01 GMT
I genuinely feel since stoke have made the changes to the layout of the ground in terms of where they have put the safe standing and moved the away fans, it’s had an impact on the atmosphere. The away fans are now barely noticeable because of where they are. And because an element of the those that create the atmosphere have moved from the boothen to the south stand, it’s really affected our home atmosphere. I genuinely think now, the ground is flat and regardless of performances, it won’t return thanks to this lay out. The south stand is essentially like Stoke fans on away days. Too many Delilah’s, it loses its touch. I think the club should have put safe standing in the boothen, this would have kept the atmosphere as a ‘bowl’ The atmosphere has largely been shit for 10 seasons. And for the majority of seasons we have been at the new ground. The blip, apart from the odd game, were the first 2 or 3 seasons back in the PL. |
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Post by stokeson on Oct 21, 2024 8:53:11 GMT
Funny how people see things differently.I think all the changes are for the betterI thought the atmosphere and volume at some points on Saturday was as good and loud as its been for a long time.Its whats happening on the pitch that dictates.....
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Oct 21, 2024 8:55:29 GMT
I’m a south stander and have been for a few years now. I’d say the reconfiguration has improved the atmosphere as you can actually see the away fans now. It was poor against Norwich but that’s because there’s 0 edge between stoke/Norwich, I’m expecting Derby in a few weeks to be lively.
Having said all this I suppose it depends on perspective; the boothen end looks totally dead these days. But it’d been that way for a good few years it’s just that this reconfiguration seems to have been the final blow.
The issue with a seated boothen end is that we moved grounds almost 30y ago now and I’m sure there are many in the boothen end who’ve had the same ST since day 1. Atmosphere is generally generated by youth, and the avg age in the boothen end has surely gone up yr on yr.
My brother rarely goes but came for the hull game and made the mistake of going in the boothen thinking that’s where the atmosphere was, and commented after that it was terrible and he was trying to get it going in there to no avail.
The south stand is far closer to the old boothen than the new boothen is; and perhaps far closer than the new boothen ever was?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2024 8:58:17 GMT
I genuinely feel since stoke have made the changes to the layout of the ground in terms of where they have put the safe standing and moved the away fans, it’s had an impact on the atmosphere. The away fans are now barely noticeable because of where they are. And because an element of the those that create the atmosphere have moved from the boothen to the southstand, it’s really affected our home atmosphere. I genuinely think now, the ground is flat and regardless of performances, it won’t return thanks to this lay out. The south stand is essentially like Stoke fans on away days. Too many Delilah’s, it loses its touch. I think the club should have put safe standing in the boothen, this would have kept the atmosphere as a ‘bowl’ The atmosphere has been dreadful at home since we’ve been back in the Championship with the odd exception.First half Saturday was embarrassing and when Norwich fans(yes Norwich) are singing “ you’re support is fuckin shit”you know how bad it’s become. I thought moving the away fans would create abit more atmosphere but until the likes of Leeds,Derby,Sunderland,Sheff Utd visit I doubt we’ll be able to tell |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 21, 2024 9:02:54 GMT
It's decent in the south stand now. It was bouncing for the first half hour v Hull, and it felt quite good on Saturday.
Feels like you're at a football match, rather than a funeral, but you can't really tell how it feels in the rest of the ground. Moved this season after years in the Boothen when you could have fallen asleep during most games since relegation
Mind you, years of awful football doesn't help and no blame attached anywhere. Every fanbase would have reacted in the same way.
The Boothen does sound as dead as a dodo though.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 21, 2024 9:12:26 GMT
I genuinely feel since stoke have made the changes to the layout of the ground in terms of where they have put the safe standing and moved the away fans, it’s had an impact on the atmosphere. The away fans are now barely noticeable because of where they are. And because an element of the those that create the atmosphere have moved from the boothen to the south stand, it’s really affected our home atmosphere. I genuinely think now, the ground is flat and regardless of performances, it won’t return thanks to this lay out. The south stand is essentially like Stoke fans on away days. Too many Delilah’s, it loses its touch. I think the club should have put safe standing in the boothen, this would have kept the atmosphere as a ‘bowl’ The safe standing couldn't go at the boothen end as would have to disrupt more people there, there was less people to move at the south end as most stood up there anyway, personally think the atmosphere is better and if we start to be good again 😀 it will be very good. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 21, 2024 9:22:50 GMT
It's decent in the south stand now. It was bouncing for the first half hour v Hull, and it felt quite good on Saturday. Feels like you're at a football match, rather than a funeral, but you can't really tell how it feels in the rest of the ground. Moved this season after years in the Boothen when you could have fallen asleep during most games since relegation Mind you, years of awful football doesn't help and no blame attached anywhere. Every fanbase would have reacted in the same way. The Boothen does sound as dead as a dodo though. The Boothen End has aged and there are very few young people in there now. I was 13 when the ground opened and am a Boothen Ender, I'm now nearly 41 and in middle age. So if I'm getting old, what age are the people who were in their 20s and 30s in 1997 who used to drive the atmosphere? In their 50s and 60s now. It's just the inevitable legacy of all seater stadiums. In the past people used to move out of the terraces and into the seated areas as they get older, with new generations of young people gradually filtering in to take their place. So there was a constant replenishment taking place with older people filtering out and teenagers filtering in. Now with the Boothen End being all seater, there's no reason for people to move as they age and consequently the stand is now full of the sorts of old duffers with tartan flasks and blankets that you used to associate with the Boothen Stand in the old ground or the main stand in the new ground. The new youngsters are now scattered through the ground and struggle to generate atmosphere when they can't gather together and have quiet older fans all around them. In time I think the new layout will benefit us. The South Stand will replace the Boothen as the singing stand and will be mainly populated by younger people in the standing areas. And we'll start to get that filtering effect again as the years pass where fans move out of the standing area as they get older and start to find standing for long periods uncomfortable. With new younger fans moving in to take their place. But it'll take time for this pattern to properly establish itself and for the atmosphere generation to really get going. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 21, 2024 9:28:38 GMT
It's decent in the south stand now. It was bouncing for the first half hour v Hull, and it felt quite good on Saturday. Feels like you're at a football match, rather than a funeral, but you can't really tell how it feels in the rest of the ground. Moved this season after years in the Boothen when you could have fallen asleep during most games since relegation Mind you, years of awful football doesn't help and no blame attached anywhere. Every fanbase would have reacted in the same way. The Boothen does sound as dead as a dodo though. The Boothen End has aged and there are very few young people in there now. I was 13 when the ground opened and am a Boothen Ender, I'm now nearly 41 and in middle age. So if I'm getting old, what age are the people who were in their 20s and 30s in 1997 who used to drive the atmosphere? In their 50s and 60s now. It's just the inevitable legacy of all seater stadiums. In the past people used to move out of the terraces and into the seated areas as they get older, with new generations of young people gradually filtering in to take their place. So there was a constant replenishment taking place with older people filtering out and teenagers filtering in. Now with the Boothen End being all seater, there's no reason for people to move as they age and consequently the stand is now full of the sorts of old duffers with tartan flasks and blankets that you used to associate with the Boothen Stand in the old ground or the main stand in the new ground. The new youngsters are now scattered through the ground and struggle to generate atmosphere when they can't gather together and have quiet older fans all around them. In time I think the new layout will benefit us. The South Stand will replace the Boothen as the singing stand and will mainly populated by younger people in the standing areas. And well start to get that filtering effect again as the years pass where fans move out of the standing area as they get older and start to find standing for long periods uncomfortable. With new younger fans moving in to take their place. But it'll take time for this pattern to properly establish itself and for the atmosphere generation to really get going. Probably a fair assessment most of that 👍 |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2024 9:48:32 GMT
The atmosphere was poor at the Vic mostly , let's be honest. Were nights it was great but came along rarely. Some remember it as so much different than it was and remember only the special nights. 12-14 k and little noise was the norm not the packed , hostile place some claim
In the Prem the atmosphere was great and we didn't become known for it at the current ground for no reason.
Nothing to do with the stadium design etc as we proved. I think playing in this league V equally ordinary opposition since relegation the only reason
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 21, 2024 10:07:16 GMT
I genuinely feel since stoke have made the changes to the layout of the ground in terms of where they have put the safe standing and moved the away fans, it’s had an impact on the atmosphere. The away fans are now barely noticeable because of where they are. And because an element of the those that create the atmosphere have moved from the boothen to the southstand, it’s really affected our home atmosphere. I genuinely think now, the ground is flat and regardless of performances, it won’t return thanks to this lay out. The south stand is essentially like Stoke fans on away days. Too many Delilah’s, it loses its touch. I think the club should have put safe standing in the boothen, this would have kept the atmosphere as a ‘bowl’ The atmosphere has been dreadful at home since we’ve been back in the Championship with the odd exception.First half Saturday was embarrassing and when Norwich fans(yes Norwich) are singing “ you’re support is fuckin shit”you know how bad it’s become. I thought moving the away fans would create abit more atmosphere but until the likes of Leeds,Derby,Sunderland,Sheff Utd visit I doubt we’ll be able to tell To be fair, every away fan at every ground has to go through the tired songbook of 'Is this a library' 'Your support is fucking shit' and 'We forgot that you were here'. We used to run a sweep on how long it would take to hear all 3. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 21, 2024 10:08:32 GMT
It's decent in the south stand now. It was bouncing for the first half hour v Hull, and it felt quite good on Saturday. Feels like you're at a football match, rather than a funeral, but you can't really tell how it feels in the rest of the ground. Moved this season after years in the Boothen when you could have fallen asleep during most games since relegation Mind you, years of awful football doesn't help and no blame attached anywhere. Every fanbase would have reacted in the same way. The Boothen does sound as dead as a dodo though. I’m in block 30 (Tile Mountain, just inside the Boothen half) and the South Stand seems pretty quiet. Obviously it sounds louder when you’re singing Delilah but it’s not from where I am. On the rare occasion the Boothen joins in, it’s 1-2 seconds out, and I reckon the other two stands don’t know which one to join in with so they don’t bother. Other than the game after Walters’ cheerleading speech last season the atmosphere has been awful for a long time. Even when we were winning 6-1 we were out-sung by the Portsmouth fans. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2024 10:10:26 GMT
The atmosphere has been dreadful at home since we’ve been back in the Championship with the odd exception.First half Saturday was embarrassing and when Norwich fans(yes Norwich) are singing “ you’re support is fuckin shit”you know how bad it’s become. I thought moving the away fans would create abit more atmosphere but until the likes of Leeds,Derby,Sunderland,Sheff Utd visit I doubt we’ll be able to tell To be fair, every away fan at every ground has to go through the tired songbook of 'Is this a library' 'Your support is fucking shit' and 'We forgot that you were here'. We used to run a sweep on how long it would take to hear all 3. We used to do the same but in what minute😊how long it took them.I just thought Saturday first half was a morgue but not unusual sadly |
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 21, 2024 10:16:25 GMT
It’s nothing that a decent team wouldn’t rectify. Put a side out that plays front foot, aggressive attacking football worth getting behind and the place will be rocking again.
The atmosphere reflects the shit we’ve been watching. Beige, flat and half arsed.
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Post by fplstokegeneral on Oct 21, 2024 10:23:14 GMT
Ah, nothing quite compares to our illustrious encounter with Arsenal in 1937. The air was thick with smoke, and the abundance of rattle clackers added a most distinguished fervor to the occasion. It was an event that truly resonated with grandeur, with the atmosphere positively effervescent with excitement.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2024 10:50:50 GMT
It's decent in the south stand now. It was bouncing for the first half hour v Hull, and it felt quite good on Saturday. Feels like you're at a football match, rather than a funeral, but you can't really tell how it feels in the rest of the ground. Moved this season after years in the Boothen when you could have fallen asleep during most games since relegation Mind you, years of awful football doesn't help and no blame attached anywhere. Every fanbase would have reacted in the same way. The Boothen does sound as dead as a dodo though. I’m in block 30 (Tile Mountain, just inside the Boothen half) and the South Stand seems pretty quiet. Obviously it sounds louder when you’re singing Delilah but it’s not from where I am. On the rare occasion the Boothen joins in, it’s 1-2 seconds out, and I reckon the other two stands don’t know which one to join in with so they don’t bother. Other than the game after Walters’ cheerleading speech last season the atmosphere has been awful for a long time. Even when we were winning 6-1 we were out-sung by the Portsmouth fans. To be fair I never got this being outsung thing. Away fans tend to make a point of making lots of noise - Pompey could have been heard in Cheshire but they still got a hiding . The we outsung you comments etc..wow |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 21, 2024 11:12:33 GMT
I’m in block 30 (Tile Mountain, just inside the Boothen half) and the South Stand seems pretty quiet. Obviously it sounds louder when you’re singing Delilah but it’s not from where I am. On the rare occasion the Boothen joins in, it’s 1-2 seconds out, and I reckon the other two stands don’t know which one to join in with so they don’t bother. Other than the game after Walters’ cheerleading speech last season the atmosphere has been awful for a long time. Even when we were winning 6-1 we were out-sung by the Portsmouth fans. To be fair I never got this being outsung thing. Away fans tend to make a point of making lots of noise - Pompey could have been heard in Cheshire but they still got a hiding . The we outsung you comments etc..wow My point was more about us not being able to generate much of an atmosphere when winning by 5 goals, so I wouldn’t be expecting any improvement any time soon. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 21, 2024 11:23:40 GMT
The atmosphere was poor at the Vic mostly , let's be honest. Were nights it was great but came along rarely. Some remember it as so much different than it was and remember only the special nights. 12-14 k and little noise was the norm not the packed , hostile place some claim In the Prem the atmosphere was great and we didn't become known for it at the current ground for no reason. Nothing to do with the stadium design etc as we proved. I think playing in this league V equally ordinary opposition since relegation the only reason The atmosphere during the prem years petered out after a few seasons. We just banged on about the bear pit for a few seasons longer |
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 21, 2024 11:30:46 GMT
It's decent in the south stand now. It was bouncing for the first half hour v Hull, and it felt quite good on Saturday. Feels like you're at a football match, rather than a funeral, but you can't really tell how it feels in the rest of the ground. Moved this season after years in the Boothen when you could have fallen asleep during most games since relegation Mind you, years of awful football doesn't help and no blame attached anywhere. Every fanbase would have reacted in the same way. The Boothen does sound as dead as a dodo though. Yeah, moved to the south stand a few years ago so all our gang could be together and have to say it's great, was in the Boothen from the get go and don't miss it one bit, hardly ever hear them but then they'll probably say the same about us. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2024 11:35:16 GMT
To be fair I never got this being outsung thing. Away fans tend to make a point of making lots of noise - Pompey could have been heard in Cheshire but they still got a hiding . The we outsung you comments etc..wow My point was more about us not being able to generate much of an atmosphere when winning by 5 goals, so I wouldn’t be expecting any improvement any time soon. I think too much is made of atmospheres etc. In the Prem we had a reputation which didn't invent itself and away fans tried to make a point of making noise It's no better or worse than any ground as it stands and 6-1 up when you're cruising home I get that the game is done and dusted and were all in smug, that was a job well done mode. Even the team were strolling |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 21, 2024 12:44:55 GMT
My point was more about us not being able to generate much of an atmosphere when winning by 5 goals, so I wouldn’t be expecting any improvement any time soon. I think too much is made of atmospheres etc. In the Prem we had a reputation which didn't invent itself and away fans tried to make a point of making noise It's no better or worse than any ground as it stands and 6-1 up when you're cruising home I get that the game is done and dusted and were all in smug, that was a job well done mode. Even the team were strolling Yeah I agree there was that feeling of job done. That or we were all just gobsmacked! I wouldn't know about the other grounds, I've got a season ticket but stick to home games. I wasn't able to attend many games during the Prem era but I remember the crowd being much noisier in the seasons before it than it is now. It was a good while ago though. If I'm just expecting too much then fair enough, and the constant years of failure and disappointment won't have helped. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2024 12:49:02 GMT
I think too much is made of atmospheres etc. In the Prem we had a reputation which didn't invent itself and away fans tried to make a point of making noise It's no better or worse than any ground as it stands and 6-1 up when you're cruising home I get that the game is done and dusted and were all in smug, that was a job well done mode. Even the team were strolling Yeah I agree there was that feeling of job done. That or we were all just gobsmacked! I wouldn't know about the other grounds, I've got a season ticket but stick to home games. I wasn't able to attend many games during the Prem era but I remember the crowd being much noisier in the seasons before it than it is now. It was a good while ago though. If I'm just expecting too much then fair enough, and the constant years of failure and disappointment won't have helped. For sure, yep. I think back in The Prem or even pushing for play offs we'll see a return for at least a season of the noise levels. You can prob say the same for many clubs. |
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Post by flea79 on Oct 21, 2024 13:00:25 GMT
i have noticed that in the south stand the acoustics are awful near the back and the other side of the police control box, the sound from the rest of the ground is very dull
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Post by chamberlain on Oct 21, 2024 13:02:59 GMT
It's decent in the south stand now. It was bouncing for the first half hour v Hull, and it felt quite good on Saturday. Feels like you're at a football match, rather than a funeral, but you can't really tell how it feels in the rest of the ground. Moved this season after years in the Boothen when you could have fallen asleep during most games since relegation Mind you, years of awful football doesn't help and no blame attached anywhere. Every fanbase would have reacted in the same way. The Boothen does sound as dead as a dodo though. It was loud for the 1st half hour v Hull and continuous,not sure how it would sound at the other parts though |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 21, 2024 13:07:50 GMT
My point was more about us not being able to generate much of an atmosphere when winning by 5 goals, so I wouldn’t be expecting any improvement any time soon. I think too much is made of atmospheres etc. In the Prem we had a reputation which didn't invent itself and away fans tried to make a point of making noise It's no better or worse than any ground as it stands and 6-1 up when you're cruising home I get that the game is done and dusted and were all in smug, that was a job well done mode. Even the team were strolling Disagree - the crowd plays it's part in lifting the team and, most importantly, influencing the referee. You could see in lockdown how home advantage wasn't such a big thing. The atmosphere at home games is completely sterile. It makes me smile when managers and players say how great the crowd was. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2024 13:09:32 GMT
I think too much is made of atmospheres etc. In the Prem we had a reputation which didn't invent itself and away fans tried to make a point of making noise It's no better or worse than any ground as it stands and 6-1 up when you're cruising home I get that the game is done and dusted and were all in smug, that was a job well done mode. Even the team were strolling Disagree - the crowd plays it's part in lifting the team and, most importantly, influencing the referee. You could see in lockdown how home advantage wasn't such a big thing. The atmosphere at home games is completely sterile. It makes me smile when managers and players say how great the crowd was. Maybe we're just too critical and not as bad as we claim A bit like those who remember the Vic as being the wall of noise it simply wasn't |
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Post by pmjh on Oct 21, 2024 13:16:14 GMT
The noise generally reflects what's happening on the pitch. It was noticeable On Saturday that it was Quiet the first half and much louder the second. As regards the Portsmouth game fair play to them.They had travelled a long way to see their team get hammered.What else could they do but sing? If we win 6.1 tomorrow, I am quite happy for Brizzle to win the singing contest.
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 21, 2024 13:22:55 GMT
Disagree - the crowd plays it's part in lifting the team and, most importantly, influencing the referee. You could see in lockdown how home advantage wasn't such a big thing. The atmosphere at home games is completely sterile. It makes me smile when managers and players say how great the crowd was. Maybe we're just too critical and not as bad as we claim A bit like those who remember the Vic as being the wall of noise it simply wasn't I agree - the Vic was great when we were playing well and silent when we weren't. The first time I remember the Brit absolutely rocking was the home play off vs Gillingham. It felt like the roof was going to come off when the free kick went in. Even in the promotion season it was a bit of a graveyard for most of the season. I think home atmospheres in football generally have gone downhill - perhaps the older age profile of home support is taking it's toll. |
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Post by banksy1art on Oct 21, 2024 16:49:11 GMT
The atmosphere in the early prem days was way louder than it ever had been at the Victoria ground
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2024 17:13:44 GMT
The atmosphere in the early prem days was way louder than it ever had been at the Victoria ground Apparently the Vic was packed every week and teams afraid to play there Was so much better Back to reality..you're absolutely right |
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