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Post by stokieinlondon on Oct 12, 2024 6:30:29 GMT
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Oct 12, 2024 7:42:41 GMT
I think that prime stokelona team at home (around the time we beat both Manchester teams comfortably) could’ve beaten prime Barca at the Brit. Eg if you play that scenario 100 times, stoke would come out on top some non-negligible %.
To say they “would” beat prime Barca though sounds deluded. That prime Barca team was many tiers above anything we ever faced. Even the Man City side we played off the park (2-0 flattered them that day) were a shadow of the current Man City side; and the current Man City team (as great as they are) are still below the level of prime Barcelona.
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Post by lordb on Oct 12, 2024 9:14:54 GMT
We have already won in the Nou Camp of course
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 12, 2024 9:37:28 GMT
I think that prime stokelona team at home (around the time we beat both Manchester teams comfortably) could’ve beaten prime Barca at the Brit. Eg if you play that scenario 100 times, stoke would come out on top some non-negligible %. To say they “would” beat prime Barca though sounds deluded. That prime Barca team was many tiers above anything we ever faced. Even the Man City side we played off the park (2-0 flattered them that day) were a shadow of the current Man City side; and the current Man City team (as great as they are) are still below the level of prime Barcelona. Id probably say the opposite and the only real chance we’d of had of beating Barca would have been the 2009-2011 team because of the purely contrasting styles. ‘Stokelona’ team had some quality players in but any team going toe to toe with that Barca team would’ve had a spanking. Any hope would have been on the dirty Stoke team of the early prem days with a good Rory throw. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 12, 2024 9:50:35 GMT
I think that prime stokelona team at home (around the time we beat both Manchester teams comfortably) could’ve beaten prime Barca at the Brit. Eg if you play that scenario 100 times, stoke would come out on top some non-negligible %. To say they “would” beat prime Barca though sounds deluded. That prime Barca team was many tiers above anything we ever faced. Even the Man City side we played off the park (2-0 flattered them that day) were a shadow of the current Man City side; and the current Man City team (as great as they are) are still below the level of prime Barcelona. Id probably say the opposite and the only real chance we’d of had of beating Barca would have been the 2009-2011 team because of the purely contrasting styles. ‘Stokelona’ team had some quality players in but any team going toe to toe with that Barca team would’ve had a spanking. Any hope would have been on the dirty Stoke team of the early prem days with a good Rory throw. They wouldn't have known what had hit them |
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Post by marwood on Oct 12, 2024 10:56:21 GMT
so this weeks version of events, Crouch didn't 'see relegation coming in the dressing room but couldn't do anything about it'?
Must have a new book/podcast/wife coming out
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 12, 2024 14:20:49 GMT
Peter Crouch is a massive bellend and anyone listening to that idiot should take whatever he says about Stoke with a massive pinch of salt.
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 12, 2024 14:41:35 GMT
Peter Crouch is a massive bellend and anyone listening to that idiot should take whatever he says about Stoke with a massive pinch of salt. Why?🔴⚪️ |
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Post by jokker on Oct 12, 2024 16:17:32 GMT
Anything can happen in football, we've seen that many times. So it's not impossible that a Pulis styled team with the players of the Hughes area, and some atill remained after the change including Crouch himself, could rough up the smaller Barca players and catch them off guard with the three amigos slipping in between to score the only goal of the game.
But it's worth remembering that the Stokalona phase only lasted a short time, and that Hughes himself, who created the thing, broke it up after only a few short months. The weaknesses were just too obvious, and had we played Barcelona a second time, we would have been absolutely slaughtered, as they would have been better prepared.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 12, 2024 17:26:21 GMT
Peter Crouch is a massive bellend and anyone listening to that idiot should take whatever he says about Stoke with a massive pinch of salt. Odd 🤔 |
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Post by anchorman on Oct 12, 2024 18:08:56 GMT
We have already won in the Nou Camp of course Won 3-2 with 90,000 in the ground |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 12, 2024 18:28:13 GMT
I think that prime stokelona team at home (around the time we beat both Manchester teams comfortably) could’ve beaten prime Barca at the Brit. Eg if you play that scenario 100 times, stoke would come out on top some non-negligible %. To say they “would” beat prime Barca though sounds deluded. That prime Barca team was many tiers above anything we ever faced. Even the Man City side we played off the park (2-0 flattered them that day) were a shadow of the current Man City side; and the current Man City team (as great as they are) are still below the level of prime Barcelona. Id probably say the opposite and the only real chance we’d of had of beating Barca would have been the 2009-2011 team because of the purely contrasting styles. ‘Stokelona’ team had some quality players in but any team going toe to toe with that Barca team would’ve had a spanking. Any hope would have been on the dirty Stoke team of the early prem days with a good Rory throw. Correct. Add in a cold wet and windy Tuesday neet at the Brit with 28k roaring Stokies and we'd have defo given em something to think about. And with an in form Ricky anything could happen.... |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 12, 2024 18:37:11 GMT
Maybe around 2010 with Mama, Fuller, Delap, Shawcross and Huth in the side. For my money, that was a better side than the 2012 team with Crouch and Walters up front.
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Post by senojbor on Oct 12, 2024 23:01:46 GMT
We have already won in the Nou Camp of course Won 3-2 with 90,000 in the ground Barca fans were chucking cushions on to the pitch in disgust apparently |
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Post by senojbor on Oct 12, 2024 23:05:46 GMT
Bayern Munich have never beaten us either
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 12, 2024 23:06:39 GMT
Anyone who thinks any Stoke team in the Pulis/Hughes era could beat the corresponding Barcelona team is simply deluded.
We all love our football club and very often (normally after a win) think they’re better than they actually are, but all this talk of beating Barcelona, well, get a grip!
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Post by onionman on Oct 12, 2024 23:16:49 GMT
I’d fancy a point at home against the Brazil 1970 side but only because Pele is sadly no longer with us.
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Post by banksy1art on Oct 12, 2024 23:46:23 GMT
Anyone who thinks any Stoke team in the Pulis/Hughes era could beat the corresponding Barcelona team is simply deluded. We all love our football club and very often (normally after a win) think they’re better than they actually are, but all this talk of beating Barcelona, well, get a grip! it was never just about the team. It’s about the weather, the atmosphere, the small pitch, long grass and a team full of dirty bastards. They would have never faced anything like it before . Just imagine it on a Baltic windy night at the Brit 2011 era with a crowd and players well up for it. |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 13, 2024 1:23:29 GMT
Anyone who thinks any Stoke team in the Pulis/Hughes era could beat the corresponding Barcelona team is simply deluded. We all love our football club and very often (normally after a win) think they’re better than they actually are, but all this talk of beating Barcelona, well, get a grip! In 2012 Chelsea beat Barcelona. In 2013 we beat Chelsea. Of course it could happen, it’s actually a lot more deluded to suggest it couldn’t. |
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Post by madnellie on Oct 13, 2024 2:50:17 GMT
Anyone who thinks any Stoke team in the Pulis/Hughes era could beat the corresponding Barcelona team is simply deluded. We all love our football club and very often (normally after a win) think they’re better than they actually are, but all this talk of beating Barcelona, well, get a grip! In 2012 Chelsea beat Barcelona. In 2013 we beat Chelsea. Of course it could happen, it’s actually a lot more deluded to suggest it couldn’t. Absolutely! Barcelona, great as they were, weren't remotely dominant in the Champions League during that time. So they were definitely beatable. |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 13, 2024 8:05:15 GMT
In 2012 Chelsea beat Barcelona. In 2013 we beat Chelsea. Of course it could happen, it’s actually a lot more deluded to suggest it couldn’t. Absolutely! Barcelona, great as they were, weren't remotely dominant in the Champions League during that time. So they were definitely beatable. Anyone is beatable on any given day. Those of my vintage will remember non-league Hereford beating mid table top division Newcastle and fourth division Colchester beating Leeds, that seasons top division runners up. As I said anyone can beat anyone. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 13, 2024 8:13:30 GMT
I know I'm in a minority, but I can't stand the bloke. Another who blames others when it turns to shit and who makes a buck from it. He also then acts the goody two shoes by coming out with utter bollocks like this.
We didn't need him as a player and I hate his army of media sycophants who willingly gargle any soundbites along with his love juices.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 13, 2024 11:07:59 GMT
Stoke beat Prime Barcelona!
If we were capable of beating them,then how come we won feck all during our time in the Premiership?
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Post by skip on Oct 13, 2024 12:03:19 GMT
I know I'm in a minority, but I can't stand the bloke. Another who blames others when it turns to shit and who makes a buck from it. He also then acts the goody two shoes by coming out with utter bollocks like this. We didn't need him as a player and I hate his army of media sycophants who willingly gargle any soundbites along with his love juices.Ease up on the visual imagery yoth! |
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Post by madnellie on Oct 13, 2024 16:27:04 GMT
I know I'm in a minority, but I can't stand the bloke. Another who blames others when it turns to shit and who makes a buck from it. He also then acts the goody two shoes by coming out with utter bollocks like this. We didn't need him as a player and I hate his army of media sycophants who willingly gargle any soundbites along with his love juices. I used to really like him, and thought he was a great ambassador for the club, but all the stuff he's said since relegation really put me off. Same with Glen Johnson and Shay Given, too. |
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Post by skip on Oct 13, 2024 17:58:52 GMT
I know I'm in a minority, but I can't stand the bloke. Another who blames others when it turns to shit and who makes a buck from it. He also then acts the goody two shoes by coming out with utter bollocks like this. We didn't need him as a player and I hate his army of media sycophants who willingly gargle any soundbites along with his love juices. I used to really like him, and thought he was a great ambassador for the club, but all the stuff he's said since relegation really put me off. Same with Glen Johnson and Shay Given, too. I just this he is over exposed. In a media context, not a Bunny context. |
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Post by stokieinlondon on Oct 13, 2024 18:37:33 GMT
I know I'm in a minority, but I can't stand the bloke. Another who blames others when it turns to shit and who makes a buck from it. He also then acts the goody two shoes by coming out with utter bollocks like this. We didn't need him as a player and I hate his army of media sycophants who willingly gargle any soundbites along with his love juices. I used to really like him, and thought he was a great ambassador for the club, but all the stuff he's said since relegation really put me off. Same with Glen Johnson and Shay Given, too. I thought he generally said good things? |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 13, 2024 20:28:22 GMT
I used to really like him, and thought he was a great ambassador for the club, but all the stuff he's said since relegation really put me off. Same with Glen Johnson and Shay Given, too. I thought he generally said good things? He’s said good things and questionable things. At the end of the day I think Crouch was an elite player who was successful for glamorous clubs at the very top level. He signed for us northern monkeys at 30 with the best of his playing days behind him - probably thinking it was a decent enough deal for his last contract. While with us he fell in with a tight group of lads and ended up in solid teams playing “above their level” which were capable of bloodying the noses of the best clubs in the Prem, and I think he really enjoyed it. He was happy enough, got offered new contracts and at 32+ he wasn’t going to look a gift horse in the mouth so soldiered on, ending up playing many more games for us than for anyone else - however I don’t think he ever quite bought into the club and the identity like other players did. He never moved from London and when things started to go wrong, even though he was a senior player, he simply wasn’t invested enough to put his balls on the line and do something about it - which I think explains some of the frustrations with him expressed in this thread. It was all a bit of an extended Indian summer jolly for him. Which is not to say he wasn’t generally a good pro and a gent (I think he’s both). He trained well, never shirked and was good with the fans. But he (and others) should have shown more leadership in that relegation season - and I’m pretty sure he has said as much himself. Overall PL verdict: a good egg and a good player who could and should have done a bit more when we were up against it, but at 36 or whatever he probably thought it was more hassle than it was worth. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 13, 2024 22:26:27 GMT
I thought he generally said good things? He’s said good things and questionable things. At the end of the day I think Crouch was an elite player who was successful for glamorous clubs at the very top level. He signed for us northern monkeys at 30 with the best of his playing days behind him - probably thinking it was a decent enough deal for his last contract. While with us he fell in with a tight group of lads and ended up in solid teams playing “above their level” which were capable of bloodying the noses of the best clubs in the Prem, and I think he really enjoyed it. He was happy enough, got offered new contracts and at 32+ he wasn’t going to look a gift horse in the mouth so soldiered on, ending up playing many more games for us than for anyone else - however I don’t think he ever quite bought into the club and the identity like other players did. He never moved from London and when things started to go wrong, even though he was a senior player, he simply wasn’t invested enough to put his balls on the line and do something about it - which I think explains some of the frustrations with him expressed in this thread. It was all a bit of an extended Indian summer jolly for him. Which is not to say he wasn’t generally a good pro and a gent (I think he’s both). He trained well, never shirked and was good with the fans. But he (and others) should have shown more leadership in that relegation season - and I’m pretty sure he has said as much himself. Overall PL verdict: a good egg and a good player who could and should have done a bit more when we were up against it, but at 36 or whatever he probably thought it was more hassle than it was worth. That’s the politest way of saying he was crap I’ve ever read. Brilliant effort. A really poor signing that we didn’t really need. He made us worse for the vast majority of his time here and for the most part, played like he was doing us a favour. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 13, 2024 22:28:21 GMT
Assuming we think "prime Barcelona" was 2010/11 when they won the Champions League, they actually lost to Hércules and Real Sociedad in La Liga that season. Not sure how good Sociedad were that season, but Hércules got relegated from La Liga in the same season. Barca also lost to Arsenal that season in the Champions League group stage - the same Arsenal side we beat 3-1 at home.
Obviously if we played them 100 times we would lose 80-90% of the time, but as a freak result it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it could happen.
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