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Post by lordb on Oct 4, 2024 12:16:27 GMT
Watching it live was amazed it was a penalty Seen the replay yup stonewall Thought the offside goal was inside but it was a close one Interesting that, where do you sit? I sit in the boothen, and it looked like Cannon got there first to me, I had probably the same line of sight as the ref (but 100m further away), who at first seemed to point for a foul on the keeper, and reach for his top pocket, before changing his mind. So perhaps the lineman gave it. block 8 main stand so not the best view of that had great view of the offside goal, live didn't even occur to me it's offside looking the replays I think he's on but it's very tight so no real complaint |
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Post by thicknthin on Oct 4, 2024 12:19:53 GMT
That did come later to be fair The explanation when the 2 player off-side Law was introduced was as follows: "When a player plays the ball, any player of the same side who at such moment of playing is nearer to his opponents' goal-line is out of play, and may not touch the ball himself, nor in any way whatever interfere with an opponent, or with the play, until the ball has been again played, unless there are at such moment of playing at least two [previously three] of his opponents nearer their own goal-line" It would seem that "interfering with play" has been in force for the best part of 100 years and maybe longer (I haven't looked at the 3 player off-side Law) The big change over the years has been the interpretation of "interfering" to where we now have a very narrow definition. Can’t argue with that then. In my defence though, referees were getting it wrong through all my school years. In fact as an eight year old at TV CofE I once had a goal disallowed because Ivan Austin was lying injured on the other wing from where I picked the ball up before beating 2 men (kids) and scoring from the edge of the box, only for it to be disallowed for offside. I knew it should have stood 😂 |
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Post by AlliG on Oct 4, 2024 12:23:02 GMT
The explanation when the 2 player off-side Law was introduced was as follows: "When a player plays the ball, any player of the same side who at such moment of playing is nearer to his opponents' goal-line is out of play, and may not touch the ball himself, nor in any way whatever interfere with an opponent, or with the play, until the ball has been again played, unless there are at such moment of playing at least two [previously three] of his opponents nearer their own goal-line" It would seem that "interfering with play" has been in force for the best part of 100 years and maybe longer (I haven't looked at the 3 player off-side Law) The big change over the years has been the interpretation of "interfering" to where we now have a very narrow definition. Can’t argue with that then. In my defence though, referees were getting it wrong through all my school years. In fact as an eight year old at TV CofE I once had a goal disallowed because Ivan Austin was lying injured on the other wing from where I picked the ball up before beating 2 men (kids) and scoring from the edge of the box, only for it to be disallowed for offside. I knew it should have stood 😂 Bet the ref was a teacher for the school you were playing against.  It was always a matter of interpretation and every set of officials seemed to have their own version (see the video clip I have attached to my previous post). |
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 4, 2024 12:46:22 GMT
It was a stone wall penalty If an outfield player had made that tackle, two footed and uncontrolled, they could have had a red card Definitely mate |
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 4, 2024 12:49:23 GMT
The old rule was far simpler, if you were in an offside position anywhere on the pitch you were offside In trying to make it more realistic and fair it has become more complicated. Now you have to receive the ball having been in an offside position or otherwise be interfering with play. This means that the linesman instead of immediately raising the flag for offside when the ball is passed to the player, has to wait until he receives it. Of course by this stage he will have moved. This is a more difficult decision to make and easier to get wrong as you need to watch both players at once rather than concentrate on the receiving player with the passing player in your peripheral vision. That said, mistakes are made and as much as I hate VAR for its disruption and overuse, it can be useful for important decisions such as goals,penalties and sending offs. In athletics in a race its the chest that counts in a photo finish and it should be the chest in football for offsides. It wasn't the rule. The rule was if you interfering with play. Before that it was where you were, we got given offside and lost a match when given offside because of an ice cream man, seriously. |
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 4, 2024 13:59:45 GMT
The old rule was far simpler, if you were in an offside position anywhere on the pitch you were offside In trying to make it more realistic and fair it has become more complicated. Now you have to receive the ball having been in an offside position or otherwise be interfering with play. This means that the linesman instead of immediately raising the flag for offside when the ball is passed to the player, has to wait until he receives it. Of course by this stage he will have moved. This is a more difficult decision to make and easier to get wrong as you need to watch both players at once rather than concentrate on the receiving player with the passing player in your peripheral vision. That said, mistakes are made and as much as I hate VAR for its disruption and overuse, it can be useful for important decisions such as goals,penalties and sending offs. In athletics in a race its the chest that counts in a photo finish and it should be the chest in football for offsides. Still think rule should be,offside if your position gives you a clear and obvious advantage, if you have your back is to the goal and your heel is offside you are NOT gaining advantage but offside under current rules. |
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Post by Northy on Oct 4, 2024 15:33:14 GMT
Perhaps we got a penalty to compensate ? From where I was sitting I couldn’t see how it was a penalty but I’ll take it I would be going mental if that pen was given against us!!! Why, it was a clear foul? |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Oct 4, 2024 16:04:13 GMT
They were both sliding in and collided, much less clear cut than if he'd touched it round the keeper while still on his feet. I think I'd have been miffed if it had been given against us. Their resigned reaction was probably due to shell shock from our pre half time blitz. Anyway about time we got a contentious one our way. The 'offside' goal reminded me of Bojan's v Arsenal in how long it took for the - wrong - decision to sink in both times. I still can't forgive that little prick of a ref for ruining our chance to properly spank those wankers. having seen the replay from two angles its a stonewaller, keeper takes him out nowhere near the ball seeing it live & from first replay cant see that at all, replay from behind the goal is very clear, great refereeing Assistant refereeing, Ref didn't give it, Lino made sure it was given. we're in block 11. Cast iron pen, our player tapped it around oncoming boot, then clatter. Our player (not sure who it was? Was brave getting it, many would have jumped out of the way. |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 4, 2024 16:18:24 GMT
having seen the replay from two angles its a stonewaller, keeper takes him out nowhere near the ball seeing it live & from first replay cant see that at all, replay from behind the goal is very clear, great refereeing Assistant refereeing, Ref didn't give it, Lino made sure it was given. we're in block 11. Cast iron pen, our player tapped it around oncoming boot, then clatter. Our player (not sure who it was? Was brave getting it, many would have jumped out of the way. Yes it was cannon got to the ball first and got 2 footed. |
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Post by a on Oct 4, 2024 16:39:09 GMT
Perhaps we got a penalty to compensate ? From where I was sitting I couldn’t see how it was a penalty but I’ll take it I would be going mental if that pen was given against us!!! To be fair it’s nice to have the rub of the green for a change! |
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Post by karl on Oct 4, 2024 16:50:44 GMT
I thought the EFL were meant to be having VAR
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 4, 2024 17:02:36 GMT
The old rule was far simpler, if you were in an offside position anywhere on the pitch you were offside In trying to make it more realistic and fair it has become more complicated. Now you have to receive the ball having been in an offside position or otherwise be interfering with play. This means that the linesman instead of immediately raising the flag for offside when the ball is passed to the player, has to wait until he receives it. Of course by this stage he will have moved. This is a more difficult decision to make and easier to get wrong as you need to watch both players at once rather than concentrate on the receiving player with the passing player in your peripheral vision. That said, mistakes are made and as much as I hate VAR for its disruption and overuse, it can be useful for important decisions such as goals,penalties and sending offs. In athletics in a race its the chest that counts in a photo finish and it should be the chest in football for offsides. I agree with all of that. Any attacking player in the penalty area is interfering with play as they are a distraction to defenders. Off-side should be immediately flagged to prevent play continuing and someone possibly being injured. VAR has reduced refereeing standards as officials make or don't make decisions in the knowledge that if they got it wrong they will be given the opportunity to correct their error. It was better when officials only made decisions when they were absolutely sure, or otherwise let play continue. It also seems to me that the public are being cheated of play time as how much time is added for delays to study VAR. Technology has been good for tha ball crossing the goal line and that type of technology could be used for other applications such as ball out play , correct place for a throw in, etc. I like your idea of the chest determining offside. Players wearing a device that determines their "position" could resolve the issue. We need to move into the 21st century in football. |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 4, 2024 17:11:12 GMT
The old rule was far simpler, if you were in an offside position anywhere on the pitch you were offside In trying to make it more realistic and fair it has become more complicated. Now you have to receive the ball having been in an offside position or otherwise be interfering with play. This means that the linesman instead of immediately raising the flag for offside when the ball is passed to the player, has to wait until he receives it. Of course by this stage he will have moved. This is a more difficult decision to make and easier to get wrong as you need to watch both players at once rather than concentrate on the receiving player with the passing player in your peripheral vision. That said, mistakes are made and as much as I hate VAR for its disruption and overuse, it can be useful for important decisions such as goals,penalties and sending offs. In athletics in a race its the chest that counts in a photo finish and it should be the chest in football for offsides. I agree with all of that. Any attacking player in the penalty area is interfering with play as they are a distraction to defenders. Off-side should be immediately flagged to prevent play continuing and someone possibly being injured. VAR has reduced refereeing standards as officials make or don't make decisions in the knowledge that if they got it wrong they will be given the opportunity to correct their error. It was better when officials only made decisions when they were absolutely sure, or otherwise let play continue. It also seems to me that the public are being cheated of play time as how much time is added for delays to study VAR. Technology has been good for tha ball crossing the goal line and that type of technology could be used for other applications such as ball out play , correct place for a throw in, etc. I like your idea of the chest determining offside. Players wearing a device that determines their "position" could resolve the issue. We need to move into the 21st century in football. That last part is basically what we have in the Prem as of this season (not actually sure if it's been introduced yet, it was due to start in the Autumn). There's a sensor in the ball and cameras track something 24 points on the players' bodies |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2024 19:43:13 GMT
I sit in line with the 18 yard line of the Boothen it never looked close to being offside.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2024 19:44:52 GMT
I would be going mental if that pen was given against us!!! Why, it was a clear foul? I was appealing for it (not many around me were) but because our player imo was pushed by the defender. I didn’t see the contact with the keeper at the time and who initiated it. Having watched the replay, the keeper smashes him. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 4, 2024 20:06:16 GMT
having seen the replay from two angles its a stonewaller, keeper takes him out nowhere near the ball seeing it live & from first replay cant see that at all, replay from behind the goal is very clear, great refereeing Assistant refereeing, Ref didn't give it, Lino made sure it was given. we're in block 11. Cast iron pen, our player tapped it around oncoming boot, then clatter. Our player (not sure who it was? Was brave getting it, many would have jumped out of the way. It was your hero Tom Cannon! |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 5, 2024 8:53:53 GMT
I agree with all of that. Any attacking player in the penalty area is interfering with play as they are a distraction to defenders. Off-side should be immediately flagged to prevent play continuing and someone possibly being injured. VAR has reduced refereeing standards as officials make or don't make decisions in the knowledge that if they got it wrong they will be given the opportunity to correct their error. It was better when officials only made decisions when they were absolutely sure, or otherwise let play continue. It also seems to me that the public are being cheated of play time as how much time is added for delays to study VAR. Technology has been good for tha ball crossing the goal line and that type of technology could be used for other applications such as ball out play , correct place for a throw in, etc. I like your idea of the chest determining offside. Players wearing a device that determines their "position" could resolve the issue. We need to move into the 21st century in football. That last part is basically what we have in the Prem as of this season (not actually sure if it's been introduced yet, it was due to start in the Autumn). There's a sensor in the ball and cameras track something 24 points on the players' bodies Thanks for that info'. I was not aware. |
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Post by AlliG on Oct 5, 2024 11:19:12 GMT
That last part is basically what we have in the Prem as of this season (not actually sure if it's been introduced yet, it was due to start in the Autumn). There's a sensor in the ball and cameras track something 24 points on the players' bodies Thanks for that info'. I was not aware. The semi-automated VAR system was due to have been implemented after one of the two autumn international breaks. However following a long tradition of the FA/Premier League not being able to organise a piss up in a brewery the system is not yet ready for implementation and the date has been pushed back probably to the start of 2025. I would suggest that realistically it won't happen until the start of the 2025/26 season. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Oct 7, 2024 8:02:10 GMT
Assistant refereeing, Ref didn't give it, Lino made sure it was given. we're in block 11. Cast iron pen, our player tapped it around oncoming boot, then clatter. Our player (not sure who it was? Was brave getting it, many would have jumped out of the way. It was your hero Tom Cannon! I, unlike anyome else on here, am happy to say I was wrong! Maybe.... |
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Post by idle on Oct 7, 2024 9:24:49 GMT
The explanation when the 2 player off-side Law was introduced was as follows: "When a player plays the ball, any player of the same side who at such moment of playing is nearer to his opponents' goal-line is out of play, and may not touch the ball himself, nor in any way whatever interfere with an opponent, or with the play, until the ball has been again played, unless there are at such moment of playing at least two [previously three] of his opponents nearer their own goal-line" It would seem that "interfering with play" has been in force for the best part of 100 years and maybe longer (I haven't looked at the 3 player off-side Law) The big change over the years has been the interpretation of "interfering" to where we now have a very narrow definition. Can’t argue with that then. In my defence though, referees were getting it wrong through all my school years. In fact as an eight year old at TV CofE I once had a goal disallowed because Ivan Austin was lying injured on the other wing from where I picked the ball up before beating 2 men (kids) and scoring from the edge of the box, only for it to be disallowed for offside. I knew it should have stood 😂 As a (former) defender, I always found it unfair that an injured attacker 2 yards from the corner flag does not interfere with play and therefore cannot be offside, but an injured defender in the same position always cancels the offside. Precious forwards always getting the glory and preferential treatment. Bastards. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 7, 2024 9:34:54 GMT
That did come later to be fair The explanation when the 2 player off-side Law was introduced was as follows: "When a player plays the ball, any player of the same side who at such moment of playing is nearer to his opponents' goal-line is out of play, and may not touch the ball himself, nor in any way whatever interfere with an opponent, or with the play, until the ball has been again played, unless there are at such moment of playing at least two [previously three] of his opponents nearer their own goal-line" It would seem that "interfering with play" has been in force for the best part of 100 years and maybe longer (I haven't looked at the 3 player off-side Law) The big change over the years has been the interpretation of "interfering" to where we now have a very narrow definition. There is the famous 1970/71 Leeds v West Brom game where "interfering with play" nearly clause a riot.  The ref was right though - the player in the offside posirion was never played in so it wasn't offside. It's the fault of the Leeds players for not playing to the whistle. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 7, 2024 9:46:15 GMT
Nothing wrong with that Leeds goal always thought. Play to the whistle.
Does anyone remember Beeston being flagged offside for running onto his own pass when they played the offside trap? Think was away at Barnsley.
He played a forward ball, they all ran out and he ran onto his own pass from deep leaving him 1v1
The lino flagged him off
We had a pen on MOTD V Palace where the ref gave
it and the Palace players protested, then he changed his mind. O'Callaghan had headed the ball back from an onside position and was on the deck as the ball was played forward they ran out and he got up and ran back, They'd been playing offside all game. He was nowhere near play but was given off. The lino didn't flag at the time. After surrounding the ref they gave offside after he'd awarded us a pen.
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Post by AlliG on Oct 7, 2024 10:36:33 GMT
The explanation when the 2 player off-side Law was introduced was as follows: "When a player plays the ball, any player of the same side who at such moment of playing is nearer to his opponents' goal-line is out of play, and may not touch the ball himself, nor in any way whatever interfere with an opponent, or with the play, until the ball has been again played, unless there are at such moment of playing at least two [previously three] of his opponents nearer their own goal-line" It would seem that "interfering with play" has been in force for the best part of 100 years and maybe longer (I haven't looked at the 3 player off-side Law) The big change over the years has been the interpretation of "interfering" to where we now have a very narrow definition. There is the famous 1970/71 Leeds v West Brom game where "interfering with play" nearly clause a riot. The ref was right though - the player in the offside posirion was never played in so it wasn't offside. It's the fault of the Leeds players for not playing to the whistle. Totally agree. I thought the tantrums in the media were hilarious. However you have to remember that commentators have always had their favourite teams. No guessing who his favourite was. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 9, 2024 9:11:46 GMT
Still no mews om the big man hopefully today as they are back training hoefully hes able to be involved
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 9, 2024 9:43:31 GMT
Still no mews om the big man hopefully today as they are back training hoefully hes able to be involved I know what you mean |
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Post by bigdave1 on Oct 9, 2024 13:13:21 GMT
What is frustrating with the offside rule that bugs me is that if an attacking player is slightly ahead of the defending players he is either considered not interfering with the game or offside.
However, if a defender who could be 50 yards away on the touch line could be playing him onside.
So. Some players are counted as interfering and others not.
How can a striker be a few yards from the ball but not interfering but a defender 50 yards away from the ball is?
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 9, 2024 13:18:22 GMT
What is frustrating with the offside rule that bugs me is that if an attacking player is slightly ahead of the defending players he is either considered not interfering with the game or offside. However, if a defender who could be 50 yards away on the touch line could be playing him onside. So. Some players are counted as interfering and others not. How can a striker be a few yards from the ball but not interfering but a defender 50 yards away from the ball is? It's a great point that I've never considered. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 9, 2024 17:34:28 GMT
Still no mews om the big man hopefully today as they are back training hoefully hes able to be involved They have all had 3 days off |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 9, 2024 17:40:24 GMT
Clear daylight is the answer and always has been. Unless it’s a night game
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 10, 2024 22:42:56 GMT
Worryingly I’ve just watched the clubs latest training video and there’s no sign of Gallagher🙄
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