Junior

[smithypotter]

He simply needs to be taken out of the team and we sign a RB in January. Teams have and will continue to target his positional weaknesses, he needs a loan to a L1 side. Wilmot/Dixon at RB are far safer options at this moment in time despite how spectacularly shit of a prospect that sounds. This isn't me singling him out, I want him to succeed as his ceiling is still relatively high for this level given his age, but right now, we're at risk of burning him out and throwing him to the wolves. 

[lordb]

He's struggling but he's also completely exposed,no help from midfielders at all

[smithypotter]

Sept 28, 2024 17:31:53 GMT lordb said:

He's struggling but he's also completely exposed,no help from midfielders at all

I get that, but his composure or lack there of is frightening to me. Dixon in the cup games looked far more assured, but this is all relative to the level of opposition we play against so I am aware of that. For his own sake I still believe the best course of action is to take him out for now. Regardless we absolutely need completion for the RB position hence signing another in January. 

[davejohnno1]

He’s not a footballer. That much was obvious from his 2nd game.

Hes absolutely clueless and in a team where the full backs are on their own and generally looking after 3 players (winger, full back and centre forward), he doesn’t stand any chance at all.

We went into last season with 1 injury prone left back and this season we’ve gone into the season with 1, hopelessly out of his depth, right back.

Who is in charge of transfers again?

[smithypotter]

Sept 28, 2024 17:36:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

He’s not a footballer. That much was obvious from his 2nd game.

Hes absolutely clueless and in a team where the full backs are on their own and generally looking after 3 players (winger, full back and centre forward), he doesn’t stand any chance at all.

We went into last season with 1 injury prone left back and this season we’ve gone into the season with 1, hopelessly out of his depth, right back.

Who is in charge of transfers again?

I was disappointed when we didn't re-sign Hoever, probably too costly for a permanent transfer anyway but he was by far the best RB we've had in the championship post 2018 which I know isn't saying much given the shit competition but the link up play with Million was there to see. For all his defensive frailties our right side actually had living breathing footballers moving around, Junior isn't offering any form of life. 

[thehartshillbadger]

Completely drowning at a level he’s nowhere near

[idle]

TBF it was the other side that had the bigger problems today. He does seem to struggle with advanced instructions, but he wasn't any worse than the rest. Even his passing under pressure was ok today.

[yellowsnowman]

Junior or Stoke haha.

Gonna be a long ass season this.

[shakermaker]

Sept 28, 2024 17:36:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

He’s not a footballer. That much was obvious from his 2nd game.

Hes absolutely clueless and in a team where the full backs are on their own and generally looking after 3 players (winger, full back and centre forward), he doesn’t stand any chance at all.

We went into last season with 1 injury prone left back and this season we’ve gone into the season with 1, hopelessly out of his depth, right back.

Who is in charge of transfers again?

He’s a wing back, not a full back. Play him in a system where you’re relying on him to break forward and get crosses in, and you might see the best from him. As a full back though, he can’t defend. Quite simply, he’s the RB version of what Tymon was for us.

MON would have creamed himself having Gibson, Bocat and Junior at his disposal.

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Thought Wilmot looked a lot better there when he switched.

[emretezzy]

Sept 28, 2024 18:22:51 GMT shakermaker said:

Sept 28, 2024 17:36:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

He’s not a footballer. That much was obvious from his 2nd game.

Hes absolutely clueless and in a team where the full backs are on their own and generally looking after 3 players (winger, full back and centre forward), he doesn’t stand any chance at all.

We went into last season with 1 injury prone left back and this season we’ve gone into the season with 1, hopelessly out of his depth, right back.

Who is in charge of transfers again?

He’s a wing back, not a full back. Play him in a system where you’re relying on him to break forward and get crosses in, and you might see the best from him. As a full back though, he can’t defend. Quite simply, he’s the RB version of what Tymon was for us.

MON would have creamed himself having Gibson, Bocat and Junior at his disposal.

Hes shite mate.

[xchpotter]

I know it’s how we’ve been setting up, but you could get a bus between him and an opposing winger. Gives far too much room for someone to run at him. As for going forward, very poor to day….every pass he received had his body shape instantly pointing towards our goal, never the opposite way.

[Trouserdog]

Was heralded at the time as 'the type of signing we need to make', but it's become increasingly obvious that he's not ready for this level.

It doesn't seem to matter what type of players we sign- foreign ones, experienced english ones, up and comers from the lower leagues, they all turn out to be shit.

We're the most incompetent club in the country when it comes to signing players.

[fradleyhomes]

And to think that some didn't rate Hoever.
He has been a massive miss this season, he was far better defensively which is not saying much but more importantly he was a threat going forward with quality.
Junior is nowhere near the required standard currently.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Sept 29, 2024 8:32:11 GMT fradleyhomes said:

And to think that some didn't rate Hoever.
He has been a massive miss this season, he was far better defensively which is not saying much but more importantly he was a threat going forward with quality.
Junior is nowhere near the required standard currently.

100% we are miles worse for the exits , Hooever , Campbell , Laurent , Cundle walk and baker too , into that team yesterday all of them it seems we have another window of drive them there myself without realising it only works if you get better and we absolutely have not while steadfastly believing the nonsense around Juno and Burfur who we needs to walk and realise arw worth less than what we paid not more both a failing in the championship let alone higher 

[Biblical]

Sept 28, 2024 18:22:51 GMT shakermaker said:

Sept 28, 2024 17:36:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

He’s not a footballer. That much was obvious from his 2nd game.

Hes absolutely clueless and in a team where the full backs are on their own and generally looking after 3 players (winger, full back and centre forward), he doesn’t stand any chance at all.

We went into last season with 1 injury prone left back and this season we’ve gone into the season with 1, hopelessly out of his depth, right back.

Who is in charge of transfers again?

He’s a wing back, not a full back. Play him in a system where you’re relying on him to break forward and get crosses in, and you might see the best from him. As a full back though, he can’t defend. Quite simply, he’s the RB version of what Tymon was for us.

MON would have creamed himself having Gibson, Bocat and Junior at his disposal.

Lord no.

Not only can he not defend he’s also seriously wank with the ball at his feet.

[ian57]

Singling out individual players is a waste of time imo as they are all as bad as each other.
The entire squad is a sad,sorry unbalanced shambles full of players with no heart,no drive and no desire and little fitness.
The whole club is a holiday camp that rewards failure,the club is a laughing stock and a complete embarrassment.

[smithypotter]

Bocat has atleast shown glimpses at times and im convinced he has raw ability that can be worked on (Stevens should be taking his place for now in meantime). I've seen nothing from Junior to suggest the same, the idea he would be more suited in a wing back role is mental, he'd only be exposed even further. It has to be Wilmot/Dixon on the right until we get to the January window.

[shakermaker]

Sept 29, 2024 9:19:42 GMT smithypotter said:

Bocat has atleast shown glimpses at times and im convinced he has raw ability that can be worked on (Stevens should be taking his place for now in meantime). I've seen nothing from Junior to suggest the same, the idea he would be more suited in a wing back role is mental, he'd only be exposed even further. It has to be Wilmot/Dixon on the right until we get to the January window.

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a particularly great wing back either. He was never that great a crosser of the ball even in League Two! At the time we bought him I was surprised at the fanfare around his potential - some thought he would actually do a James Justin and rise to the Premier League! I think the pace and physicality of the Championship is too much for him, and he needs a loan to League One in January.

[lordb]

Sept 28, 2024 17:36:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

He’s not a footballer. That much was obvious from his 2nd game.

Hes absolutely clueless and in a team where the full backs are on their own and generally looking after 3 players (winger, full back and centre forward), he doesn’t stand any chance at all.

We went into last season with 1 injury prone left back and this season we’ve gone into the season with 1, hopelessly out of his depth, right back.

Who is in charge of transfers again?

That was a Dublin pick

[mcw]

Sept 29, 2024 9:19:42 GMT smithypotter said:

Bocat has atleast shown glimpses at times and im convinced he has raw ability that can be worked on (Stevens should be taking his place for now in meantime). I've seen nothing from Junior to suggest the same, the idea he would be more suited in a wing back role is mental, he'd only be exposed even further. It has to be Wilmot/Dixon on the right until we get to the January window.

Yep the thought of Junior providing our attacking threat down the right is ludicrous. Absolutely no composure or attempt to pick out players with crosses. He simply tries to bulldozer his way forwards and smash the ball in the vague direction of their goal.

[stokesaint1]

Sept 28, 2024 17:47:58 GMT smithypotter said:

Sept 28, 2024 17:36:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

He’s not a footballer. That much was obvious from his 2nd game.

Hes absolutely clueless and in a team where the full backs are on their own and generally looking after 3 players (winger, full back and centre forward), he doesn’t stand any chance at all.

We went into last season with 1 injury prone left back and this season we’ve gone into the season with 1, hopelessly out of his depth, right back.

Who is in charge of transfers again?

I was disappointed when we didn't re-sign Hoever, probably too costly for a permanent transfer anyway but he was by far the best RB we've had in the championship post 2018 which I know isn't saying much given the shit competition but the link up play with Million was there to see. For all his defensive frailties our right side actually had living breathing footballers moving around, Junior isn't offering any form of life. 

Hoever was great going forward but not very good at defending and was frequently slated on here for it. The best we've had in that position since 2018, in my opinion is Dujon Sterling. Gutted when he chose Rangers over us.

[senojbor]

There were multiple times yesterday when receiving the ball he never even looked up to play a forward ball down the line. He chose to pass the ball straight back across the back line. It was like he'd got a hot potato. Looks like he's been told to play that way
When he first came into the side he would bomb forward and he looked a quite a decent player

He didn't seem comfortable in possession. He looks as if his confidence has gone.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Hooever has almost certainly scored once or twice by now too it a huge loss as many of us suggested 

[mickeythemaestro]

Sept 28, 2024 17:31:53 GMT lordb said:

He's struggling but he's also completely exposed,no help from midfielders at all

He does get exposed with a lack of cover from our lazy midfield. However he does seem to have a concentration problem. But that can be worked on if he's coached right. He has the attributes to be a decent player if the club know how to deal with him. That's where I'm concerned for him..

[idle]

Sept 29, 2024 13:58:38 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Sept 28, 2024 17:47:58 GMT smithypotter said:

I was disappointed when we didn't re-sign Hoever, probably too costly for a permanent transfer anyway but he was by far the best RB we've had in the championship post 2018 which I know isn't saying much given the shit competition but the link up play with Million was there to see. For all his defensive frailties our right side actually had living breathing footballers moving around, Junior isn't offering any form of life. 

Hoever was great going forward but not very good at defending and was frequently slated on here for it. The best we've had in that position since 2018, in my opinion is Dujon Sterling. Gutted when he chose Rangers over us.

Yeah he was a great defender, but he was kinda slated on here for his lack of attacking support.

But you need one defender and one attacking fullback IMO. Stevens should do fine, but he's on the same side as Bocat, so we fucked up there thinking Junior could be both. He's too young and haven't been playing long enough at a high enough level yet. Junior still has time to improve, and I thought he handled the mental passing regime ok. At least much better than I feared.