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Post by bingbang on Sept 26, 2024 9:10:52 GMT
People on here moan about it being a pointless competition, but the crowds by and large say otherwise.Just seen West ham fans at Liverpool and earlier ties most had healthy away followings.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 26, 2024 9:15:08 GMT
People on here moan about it being a pointless competition, but the crowds by and large sa I know what you mean. |
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Post by bingbang on Sept 26, 2024 9:21:15 GMT
People on here moan about it being a pointless competition, but the crowds by and large say otherwise. Just seen West ham fans at Liverpool and ties earlier in the week most had healthy away followings. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 26, 2024 9:50:26 GMT
People on here moan about it being a pointless competition, but the crowds by and large say otherwise. Just seen West ham fans at Liverpool and ties earlier in the week most had healthy away followings. Most didn't You have to find the big clubs to make a point who get decent crowds now matter what |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 26, 2024 10:42:09 GMT
There is a whole lot of arguments that could into this debate I reckon.
There is no doubt top seeded clubs are getting healthy crowds Chelsea 38,000 v Barrow etc, 59,000 at Arsenal last night. So there is obviously interest amongst their fan base, which is kind of surprising.
Clubs like Wycombe and Walsall are doing ok too, they got above average crowds for their games v Prem teams playing their 2nd XI (50% up) so they are not totally disengaged
Its clubs like Preston who struggle (5500 v Fulham)
But you could argue that it is not surprising that fans of clubs are not very engaged at this level the way the competition is set up with top seeded teams virtually guaranteed a place in the last 16 while publicly dissing the competition.
The whole idea behind cup competitions is the dream element and that has been severely eroded in this comp by clubs and sponsors pandering to the demands of elite clubs.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 26, 2024 11:02:23 GMT
When Liverpool, Chelsea,Man U etc play they'll get big crowds no matter what and as said above, they've fiddled with the cup to get the big clubs to go as far as possible . Fans of a club like Barrow will of course go to Chelsea as probably the only chance they'll ever have . A bit of a desperation reshuffle as outside of these sides, crowds are desperate. Saying that Chelsea /Liverpool etc got big crowds isn't the issue nor does it justify the rest of the competition. If Liverpool played a friendly V West Ham it would get a healthy crowd.
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Post by lordb on Sept 26, 2024 11:08:27 GMT
In the past vast majority > 90%+ < of fans didn't have season tickets, as such they would pick and choose their games, attendances would fluctuate a lot , supporters would pretty much always choose a cup game rather than a standard league game. The attendance for league matches either side of cup matches were typically lower than the average league gate
Now majority of supporters have a season ticket as such a cup match is seen as a chance not to go
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 26, 2024 11:12:14 GMT
There is a whole lot of arguments that could into this debate I reckon. There is no doubt top seeded clubs are getting healthy crowds Chelsea 38,000 v Barrow etc, 59,000 at Arsenal last night. So there is obviously interest amongst their fan base, which is kind of surprising. Clubs like Wycombe and Walsall are doing ok too, they got above average crowds for their games v Prem teams playing their 2nd XI (50% up) so they are not totally disengaged Its clubs like Preston who struggle (5500 v Fulham) But you could argue that it is not surprising that fans of clubs are not very engaged at this level the way the competition is set up with top seeded teams virtually guaranteed a place in the last 16 while publicly dissing the competition. The whole idea behind cup competitions is the dream element and that has been severely eroded in this comp by clubs and sponsors pandering to the demands of elite clubs. The big clubs get good crowds because there are such a large number of people who want to see them and the Carabao Cup is a good opportunity for people who normally can't get a ticket to go and see them because the demand is less amongst regular attendees. Also for the Premier League teams outside of the big guns, it's a good opportunity to win a trophy and attracts interest that way. Like how we used to target it every year back when we were a stable Premier League club with a team that had an outside chance of being able to win a cup. And for lower league teams it's an opportunity to see bigger clubs come to your town that you don't usually get to play against. The division that suffers most with lack of interest is The Championship. Many of the clubs there have recently been in the Premier League (like ourselves) and don't get excited by the prospect of drawing one of the big teams that recently we were competing on the same level with. There's no chance of actually winning the competition and the teams are usually weakened because the league is prioritised over everything else these days so the matches are just glorified reserve games. Consequently there are a lot of terrible crowds involving Championship clubs. |
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Post by noustie on Sept 26, 2024 11:39:45 GMT
Some of it probably comes down to the focus of the team too - if you're a middle of the road prem club then I suppose the Caribao is a crack at winning something whereas the league gets boring.
In the Championship if teams are rotating players for the cup as aiming for promotion then probably reflects in crowds too as the fanbase won't be that arsed either.
League cup up here is same as Dundee United were away v Motherwell and the crowd was about 9k whereas Motherwell's average league crowd is around 5k.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 26, 2024 12:10:45 GMT
I get involved and support the club whether it’s FA Cup, Autoglass, League cup or whatever.
If we ever get in the prem again I hope we try and have a good go in the league cup.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 26, 2024 13:23:15 GMT
It’s a cup competition that gets you a place in Europe. And as with the FA Cup, it can thrown up some dream ties for smaller clubs. There is still an allure to seeing a world-class players slugging it out on a boggy pitch against a League Two side. I hope we take a decent crowd to Southampton as there’s a place in the QF up for grabs.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 26, 2024 16:07:13 GMT
As a yank who has been biased by the business-like approach to professional sports in America, as well as the injury that happened to Bojan, I was one who has disparaged these competitions. But even though it imposes extra games on a crowded fixture schedule, a lower-league side having an opportunity to excite their fans by punching above their weight is a good thing. (In hindsight, obviously Bojan should have been rested) This year alone, we discovered that we have some youth around here who CAN play. The variety of attending matches in different places and playing teams you wouldn't normally face off against provides variety. And just like the Irish say, it's a chance to go on vacation by switching pubs.
When you're having a blah season, a win in this thing can be a momentum builder, whether you faced a PL team of reserves, or used reserves ourselves against a lower-league opponent. Advancing in these cups is psychologically valuable. So I've gotten sucked in by the "romanticism" that competing for a "meaningless" piece of hardware isn't totally what it is about because that hardware really isn't "meaningless" after all when it can create positive memories and pride in one's team for years to come.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 26, 2024 16:55:04 GMT
It at least gives an opportunity for people to see their team when they normally don’t stand a chance of a ticket. Talking about the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal etc. Not so much Man City as they still have a very localised supporter base due to the infancy of their glory years but they’re getting there
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Post by stoke1989 on Sept 26, 2024 16:58:36 GMT
And fans get more tickets and less corporate compared to fa Cup if you get to wembley
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Post by scfcnicholas on Sept 26, 2024 17:15:43 GMT
Really fail to see how it’s any less important than the FA Cup. It’s just as difficult to win from a who’s in it perspective. I’d be just as happy winning it as I would the FA Cup. I’m aware that there is something about the FA cup being more prestigious and steeped in more history but I really don’t get it.
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Post by theglove on Sept 26, 2024 19:02:08 GMT
There is a whole lot of arguments that could into this debate I reckon. There is no doubt top seeded clubs are getting healthy crowds Chelsea 38,000 v Barrow etc, 59,000 at Arsenal last night. So there is obviously interest amongst their fan base, which is kind of surprising. Clubs like Wycombe and Walsall are doing ok too, they got above average crowds for their games v Prem teams playing their 2nd XI (50% up) so they are not totally disengaged Its clubs like Preston who struggle (5500 v Fulham) But you could argue that it is not surprising that fans of clubs are not very engaged at this level the way the competition is set up with top seeded teams virtually guaranteed a place in the last 16 while publicly dissing the competition. The whole idea behind cup competitions is the dream element and that has been severely eroded in this comp by clubs and sponsors pandering to the demands of elite clubs. Is it possible the biggest clubs have more demand than availability and therefore the League Cup is the only chance some fans get to go to games? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 26, 2024 19:23:25 GMT
Really fail to see how it’s any less important than the FA Cup. It’s just as difficult to win from a who’s in it perspective. I’d be just as happy winning it as I would the FA Cup. I’m aware that there is something about the FA cup being more prestigious and steeped in more history but I really don’t get it. Has never been on the same level and never will be |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 26, 2024 19:31:31 GMT
Really fail to see how it’s any less important than the FA Cup. It’s just as difficult to win from a who’s in it perspective. I’d be just as happy winning it as I would the FA Cup. I’m aware that there is something about the FA cup being more prestigious and steeped in more history but I really don’t get it. Has never been on the same level and never will be It was loads sexier as the Coca Cola Cup or The Rumbelows cup of course. Just needs a snazzy sponsor😉 |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 26, 2024 20:36:46 GMT
There is a whole lot of arguments that could into this debate I reckon. There is no doubt top seeded clubs are getting healthy crowds Chelsea 38,000 v Barrow etc, 59,000 at Arsenal last night. So there is obviously interest amongst their fan base, which is kind of surprising. Clubs like Wycombe and Walsall are doing ok too, they got above average crowds for their games v Prem teams playing their 2nd XI (50% up) so they are not totally disengaged Its clubs like Preston who struggle (5500 v Fulham) But you could argue that it is not surprising that fans of clubs are not very engaged at this level the way the competition is set up with top seeded teams virtually guaranteed a place in the last 16 while publicly dissing the competition. The whole idea behind cup competitions is the dream element and that has been severely eroded in this comp by clubs and sponsors pandering to the demands of elite clubs. Is it possible the biggest clubs have more demand than availability and therefore the League Cup is the only chance some fans get to go to games? Could be. Its still means there is demand though, if this cup is fulfilling that function for these fans. |
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Post by scfcnicholas on Sept 26, 2024 21:38:41 GMT
Really fail to see how it’s any less important than the FA Cup. It’s just as difficult to win from a who’s in it perspective. I’d be just as happy winning it as I would the FA Cup. I’m aware that there is something about the FA cup being more prestigious and steeped in more history but I really don’t get it. Has never been on the same level and never will be Yeah, why though? |
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Post by bingbang on Sept 26, 2024 21:43:28 GMT
As someone said earlier at least more real fans get to see the final, rather than the hangers on in corporate.
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Post by sticky on Sept 26, 2024 21:50:13 GMT
The midweek games don’t help, as much as I like England, these nation league things are a pain in the arse. I’d much prefer see cup action instead
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 27, 2024 9:14:26 GMT
Really fail to see how it’s any less important than the FA Cup. It’s just as difficult to win from a who’s in it perspective. I’d be just as happy winning it as I would the FA Cup. I’m aware that there is something about the FA cup being more prestigious and steeped in more history but I really don’t get it. Has never been on the same level and never will be The only difference between them is that in the FA Cup every team in the country is allowed to participate. Given it's quite rare for a non-EFL team to make it to the 4th Round, the FA Cup becomes a carbon copy of the League Cup in terms of the teams left in the competition. Away from the prestige of the FA Cup being the oldest cup competition in the world, the reality is there is little to separate the FA Cup and League Cup. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 27, 2024 15:19:16 GMT
Has never been on the same level and never will be It was loads sexier as the Coca Cola Cup or The Rumbelows cup of course. Just needs a snazzy sponsor😉 Has it been Carling cup and Worthington cup aswell in the past or am I dreaming that mate? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 27, 2024 15:31:16 GMT
It was loads sexier as the Coca Cola Cup or The Rumbelows cup of course. Just needs a snazzy sponsor😉 Has it been Carling cup and Worthington cup aswell in the past or am I dreaming that mate? Yeh loads of names. Littlewoods another. from the 80’s and Capital One maybe 10 years ago |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 27, 2024 15:31:35 GMT
Each tie both clubs get 45% of the gate money, plus extra if they get through
For the likes of Barrow it's a godsend.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 27, 2024 15:39:12 GMT
Has it been Carling cup and Worthington cup aswell in the past or am I dreaming that mate? Yeh loads of names. Littlewoods another. from the 80’s and Capital One maybe 10 years ago Think Littlewoods before my time mate 😉 showing your age there badge mate. I do remember the store in the potteries though so I'm not far behind you. |
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