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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 23, 2024 1:51:45 GMT
We must have one of the worst home records in the last 7 years and it’s fuck all to do with the fans. yeah that’s true but what does booing and groaning at your own players achieve, most of them haven’t even been here for more than a year. Booing at this young team and our brand new manager after one game isn’t great, what does it achieve? What can anyone expect though? |
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Post by onionman on Sept 23, 2024 4:29:05 GMT
There’s a reason that 35+ of the last 40 players have been labeled shit, and it’s not the fans’ fault.
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Post by serpico on Sept 23, 2024 4:57:20 GMT
The team/club has been severely lacking any identity for the last 6-7 years now, if the fans are depressing and negative it’s only because the football has been! It’s made even more frustrating by the fact we have the financial backing to be doing so much better but the club seems mired in mediocrity and everything we do turns to shit in pretty short order!
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 23, 2024 4:58:30 GMT
I'm nowhere near the levels of depression I see on this board and in "real life" but I'm quickly running out of enthusiasm. The amount of fucks I give is still on a downward spiral, unfortunately. Similar to myself. I expect us to get soundly beaten at 'Boro but I'm going and strangely looking forward to it(not the beating obviously). That’s the spirit |
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Post by worcsstokie15 on Sept 23, 2024 5:39:25 GMT
On Fri, the team were clapped off at HT and booed at FT which suggests the fan base is a bit unhinged to me. Also, the lack of atmosphere in the fan zone… couldn’t even muster an applause for the band who were doing their best! All of it just made me think we have a very depressed and downtrodden fan base at the moment.
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 23, 2024 5:48:24 GMT
Light shows, fan zones all a load of bollox to me, be happier when we’re in the winning zone though.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 23, 2024 9:16:10 GMT
On Fri, the team were clapped off at HT and booed at FT which suggests the fan base is a bit unhinged to me. Also, the lack of atmosphere in the fan zone… couldn’t even muster an applause for the band who were doing their best! All of it just made me think we have a very depressed and downtrodden fan base at the moment. Clapped an okish first half, booed a dreadful second. Doesn't seem particularly unhinged? I think we're completely fed up of things changing, but nothing changing. Our players look unfit, we've just sacked a relatively popular head coach and the same problems crop up month after month. If anything, I think the booing was aimed at Walters and Coates, as if to say, this better bloody work! |
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 23, 2024 9:25:33 GMT
On Fri, the team were clapped off at HT and booed at FT which suggests the fan base is a bit unhinged to me. Also, the lack of atmosphere in the fan zone… couldn’t even muster an applause for the band who were doing their best! All of it just made me think we have a very depressed and downtrodden fan base at the moment. Clapped an okish first half, booed a dreadful second. Doesn't seem particularly unhinged? I think we're completely fed up of things changing, but nothing changing. Our players look unfit, we've just sacked a relatively popular head coach and the same problems crop up month after month. If anything, I think the booing was aimed at Walters and Coates, as if to say, this better bloody work! That may be the case. If you were a player or in the coaching team what would you assume though? Oh they must be booing the owners or they must be booing the team? |
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Post by flea79 on Sept 23, 2024 9:46:39 GMT
Light shows, fan zones all a load of bollox to me, be happier when we’re in the winning zone though. yes exactly! we didnt need fan zones for how many years now people wank themselves silly about them, shove it up your arse im only interested in seeing the club do well on the pitch and serving the local community well with its charitable actions the amount spent on that bloody fanzone would do more good elsewhere |
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Post by stokecakesandcheese on Sept 23, 2024 9:56:21 GMT
Clapped an okish first half, booed a dreadful second. Doesn't seem particularly unhinged? I think we're completely fed up of things changing, but nothing changing. Our players look unfit, we've just sacked a relatively popular head coach and the same problems crop up month after month. If anything, I think the booing was aimed at Walters and Coates, as if to say, this better bloody work! That may be the case. If you were a player or in the coaching team what would you assume though? Oh they must be booing the owners or they must be booing the team? I’m not one for booing, never have never will. I don’t disagree with the people that do though, that second half performance was absolutely gash. Shouldn’t be happening and it does, more frequently than we would like. The shit show has been since we got relegated, we pissed money up the wall, recruited poorly etc… Nothing has changed, we’re still a team with no backbone or identity. We’ve chopped and changed and nothing has worked. There’s no other way for fans to get their feelings across other than booing or whatever it is they do. Work hard all week to afford ‘luxuries’ such as a season ticket and turn up to watch that dross decide they can’t be arsed after half time. Again, I neither agree nor disagree, their grown men. I did leave that ground Friday night absolutely fuming with what they had done in that game. If my boss came in and started booing my work, I’d be like - I need sort this shit out. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 23, 2024 10:01:00 GMT
That may be the case. If you were a player or in the coaching team what would you assume though? Oh they must be booing the owners or they must be booing the team? I’m not one for booing, never have never will. I don’t disagree with the people that do though, that second half performance was absolutely gash. Shouldn’t be happening and it does, more frequently than we would like. The shit show has been since we got relegated, we pissed money up the wall, recruited poorly etc… Nothing has changed, we’re still a team with no backbone or identity. We’ve chopped and changed and nothing has worked. There’s no other way for fans to get their feelings across other than booing or whatever it is they do. Work hard all week to afford ‘luxuries’ such as a season ticket and turn up to watch that dross decide they can’t be arsed after half time. Again, I neither agree nor disagree, their grown men. I did leave that ground Friday night absolutely fuming with what they had done in that game. If my boss came in and started booing my work, I’d be like - I need sort this shit out. I don't boo, but understood why fans were doing it. We're sick to the back teeth of shite. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 23, 2024 10:11:54 GMT
yeah that’s true but what does booing and groaning at your own players achieve, most of them haven’t even been here for more than a year. Booing at this young team and our brand new manager after one game isn’t great, what does it achieve? I don't think the boos were aimed at the players or manager tbh. A bloke leaving block 30 on Friday was definitely aiming his vitriol at the players, pushing past people to get as close to the players as he couldto shout insults at them. He was apoplectic and too old to be raising his blood pressure like that. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 23, 2024 10:21:28 GMT
That may be the case. If you were a player or in the coaching team what would you assume though? Oh they must be booing the owners or they must be booing the team? I’m not one for booing, never have never will. I don’t disagree with the people that do though, that second half performance was absolutely gash. Shouldn’t be happening and it does, more frequently than we would like. The shit show has been since we got relegated, we pissed money up the wall, recruited poorly etc… Nothing has changed, we’re still a team with no backbone or identity. We’ve chopped and changed and nothing has worked. There’s no other way for fans to get their feelings across other than booing or whatever it is they do. Work hard all week to afford ‘luxuries’ such as a season ticket and turn up to watch that dross decide they can’t be arsed after half time. Again, I neither agree nor disagree, their grown men. I did leave that ground Friday night absolutely fuming with what they had done in that game. If my boss came in and started booing my work, I’d be like - I need sort this shit out. Exactly, at the end of the game booing towards the team/club in general is fine. I don't suppose anyone, Walters, Pelach or the players enjoyed that reaction and hopefully will do something about it. From what Pelach said when he arrived he will expect the players to do something about it by working hard not crumble in a pile in a corner. I hope they looked shell shocked when they came out of the meeting on Saturday, hopefully he'd told them a few home truths. As I said earlier the reaction to Friday will tell us more about Pelach and the players than the performance and result on Friday will. He doesn't come across as the sort of coach to hold back on criticism when needed. Hopefully it will be constructive and help the players to improve whatever age they are. I'm all for a bit of Latin temperament. |
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Post by mcw on Sept 23, 2024 10:43:06 GMT
Our home record over the past 7/8 seasons has been atrocious and that means there is a latent depressive feeling before any game starts. I honestly have no expectation of a home win anymore and I’m fine with that. I take the view that this is entertainment I am paying for and as long as I see some green shoots in individual games and that there appears to be a plan which players are buying into wholeheartedly and giving it their all then will b/lose or draw I will be ok with it.
But and it is a big but, I generally feel like we somehow have descended into complete anarchy over the this period. We flit from being very good for a couple of games to abject for longer spells of games. Whether players don’t appear to be “putting it in” because they are lazy or they don’t have a scooby how they are supposed to be playing as a team is up for debate. Basically I am sick of how inept, amateurish and easy we can be to beat at times and when that is at home (I.e. second half v Hull) then it is very difficult to be sanguine about it.
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Post by onionman on Sept 23, 2024 14:17:41 GMT
I was saying Boooowalters
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 24, 2024 11:58:49 GMT
Are we the most miserable, whining, negative and depressing fans in England. I ask because I’ve just read a thread with a prediction we will be lucky to get away with a 5-0 defeat next week. Another predicts relegation. Another that the new manager has less than 10 games to save his job. Another long standing thread asking if there are 3 worse teams than us which gets bumped to the top every time we lose a game. There are numerous threads about individual players. A few weeks ago Bae was not for sale at any price and now he shouldn’t be starting. We should be telling Spurs to fuck off if they want Burger and now he can’t tackle or pass. We had a goalkeeping midget who was shit until the last two games. We’ve just sacked a manager who couldn’t pick the right team, couldn’t use his subs correctly and was tactically inept. Until of course we sacked him and now he was the man to turn things round and Walters has fucked us over. I drink in a pub in Stafford where basically we are a laughing stock. Any non Stoke fan in there will say the same thing….. win a game and we are making the play offs, lose a game and we are getting relegated. Seriously embarrassing. It wasn’t always like this. And we’ve watched plenty worse Shit than we watch now. Absolutely agree and I would spread that first sentence to every day life in the city too.The people are so depressing in general. |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 24, 2024 12:02:20 GMT
Are we the most miserable, whining, negative and depressing fans in England. I ask because I’ve just read a thread with a prediction we will be lucky to get away with a 5-0 defeat next week. Another predicts relegation. Another that the new manager has less than 10 games to save his job. Another long standing thread asking if there are 3 worse teams than us which gets bumped to the top every time we lose a game. There are numerous threads about individual players. A few weeks ago Bae was not for sale at any price and now he shouldn’t be starting. We should be telling Spurs to fuck off if they want Burger and now he can’t tackle or pass. We had a goalkeeping midget who was shit until the last two games. We’ve just sacked a manager who couldn’t pick the right team, couldn’t use his subs correctly and was tactically inept. Until of course we sacked him and now he was the man to turn things round and Walters has fucked us over. I drink in a pub in Stafford where basically we are a laughing stock. Any non Stoke fan in there will say the same thing….. win a game and we are making the play offs, lose a game and we are getting relegated. Seriously embarrassing. It wasn’t always like this. And we’ve watched plenty worse Shit than we watch now. Only worse when we had no money. We've had 10 years with our snout in the PL trough and we have amongst the richest owners in the world game. Yet we're utter dog shit because the fans are miserable. |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 24, 2024 13:45:11 GMT
Are we the most miserable, whining, negative and depressing fans in England. I ask because I’ve just read a thread with a prediction we will be lucky to get away with a 5-0 defeat next week. Another predicts relegation. Another that the new manager has less than 10 games to save his job. Another long standing thread asking if there are 3 worse teams than us which gets bumped to the top every time we lose a game. There are numerous threads about individual players. A few weeks ago Bae was not for sale at any price and now he shouldn’t be starting. We should be telling Spurs to fuck off if they want Burger and now he can’t tackle or pass. We had a goalkeeping midget who was shit until the last two games. We’ve just sacked a manager who couldn’t pick the right team, couldn’t use his subs correctly and was tactically inept. Until of course we sacked him and now he was the man to turn things round and Walters has fucked us over. I drink in a pub in Stafford where basically we are a laughing stock. Any non Stoke fan in there will say the same thing….. win a game and we are making the play offs, lose a game and we are getting relegated. Seriously embarrassing. It wasn’t always like this. And we’ve watched plenty worse Shit than we watch now. Only worse when we had no money. We've had 10 years with our snout in the PL trough and we have amongst the richest owners in the world game. Yet we're utter dog shit because the fans are miserable. The fans are miserable because the city is miserable. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 24, 2024 13:52:24 GMT
There was a thread on here a few months ago of a sentinel segment (I think) of John Ritchie asking fans for patience during a tough run of form, it may not always have been as visible as it is these days but Stoke fans and heck football fans in general have always been a very fickle bunch, this is not a new phenomenon.
I don’t personally think the current mood is due to fickleness though, it’s because we’ve been continually let down for nearly a decade, have no real direction and fans are absolutely desperate for something to rally behind after a tough spell, that explains the over the top reactions to a win imo, desperation.
But for a 10 year spell in the 90s and early 00s this current period is statistically one of our worst periods since the war, we’ve taken 56 points from the last 50 or so home games and in spite of our massive financial resources the owners have done not but bluster and fluster about FFP despite having a massive financial on the rest of the league for 3 years.
Frankly, I’m surprised attendances have remained relatively steady. A lot of people, not even young people anymore given the 3rd tier is frighteningly not too far off to being 30-40 years ago (Icelandics and Macari respectively) haven’t seen worse than this. Social media makes all this stuff a lot more visible too.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 24, 2024 13:56:41 GMT
It amazes me how many folk forget that football is a results game. Yes it's great to watch exiting football but nothing replaces your team winning.
I don't see how our fans are any different than any other. We have had 8 depressing years with constant promises each change of manager none of which have come to fruition. Given that background I would suggest our fans are very tolerant. Look at the away support.
Give us something to cheer and be happy about and it will change. Given recent years I for one won't hold my breathe
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Post by ashleyscfc on Sept 24, 2024 15:43:04 GMT
And the Sagas worse since then…
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