Worried

[telfordstokie]

Sept 21, 2024 6:21:28 GMT hcstokie said:

Something I picked up on yesterday in the Walters interview was a quote along the lines of knowing where we are and not expecting this group to challenge for the play offs this season. Whilst I agree that we’re nowhere near that level, the structure of the club means we should have continuity with recruitment. After last summer’s huge rebuild we’ve had another two transfer windows, and we’re seemingly no further forward than before, and arguably worse.

With the complete overhaul since Walters came in, it’s starting to remind me of when a new manager enters a business and wants to make an impression by tearing everything up and starting over. I truly hope he knows what he’s doing.

Not being near the play offs for me is an excellent argument to have kept Schumacher really. We’ve finished low bottom half of the table every year and aren’t anywhere near ready to challenge the top 6. Schumacher looked like he could get us to the next step which was midtable or slightly above. But we’ve basically tried to skip building that foundation with a Hail Mary on Pèlach trying to turn a bog standard Championship squad into Barcelona.

[ian57]

Sept 21, 2024 6:35:24 GMT Trouserdog said:

Didn't take long for reality to hit, did it?

Yet again, we have a squad that's unfit for purpose. There's talent in there, but gaping holes in key areas that will cost us time and time again.

The right back situation is a massive concern. Tchamadeu was signed as a long-term project, and he may well develop into a decent full-back at this level, but he's out of his depth. Other teams are targeting him and we don't have the options in the squad to respond to that. (Who thought we'd miss Gooch?)

It doesn't help that the bloke next to him is Ben Wilmot, who has been crap ever since his back injury (and wasn't much better before that). How many times does he cost us trying to pass the ball out of defence? We have to get Phillips alongside Gibson and pray we never get an injury at CB as I'm absolutely fed up of watching this bloke mess up. Sadly there's an even worse version of him waiting in the wings in the form of Michael Rose.

The centre of midfield should be an area of strength on paper, but it's a disaster zone. Who has kidnapped Wouter Burger and replaced him with the gangly streak of piss we've currently got instead? I've never seen a bloke with his stature struggle so much in physical battles. The only thing he seems to be good at is pushing people in the back after they've managed to get to the ball before him. I thought we had a £10m player on our hands here, but you can knock the zero off based on what we've seen so far.

As for Jordan Thompson...we know he's a League One player, but the fact he still starts so many games is why we are where we are.

The attacking midfield is pretty decent, but there's no depth whatsoever. Manhoef-Junho-Koumas is an exciting trio to watch, and Moran isn't bad either, but there's no cover out wide, so as soon as one of them needs to go off, we're throwing on League Two players to replace them. The drop off is enormous.

But as always, the prize turd in the bowl is the centre forward position. Tom Cannon...fucking hell. An absolute joke of a player. His back-ups are an 18 year-old who wasn't good enough to get off MK Dons' bench last season and Niall Ennis, a bloke who runs around like a dog chasing a balloon. We have absolutely no ability to hold the ball up, and our entire season now rests on Sam Gallagher- a jobbing, injury-prone Championship striker who might, in a good year, score 10 goals.

When we're bumming around the bottom 6 in January (which we will be), Manhoef and Junho will be off, and who can blame them?

Utterly fed up.

we will need to sell Manhoef and junho mate to fund bringing in a few players to prepare for a relegation battle.
We are too lightweight in key areas and have no steel anywhere in the side but we have to give this new bloke a chance.
Good post though and on the mark trousers 👍

[delilahwhy]

Sept 21, 2024 6:35:24 GMT Trouserdog said:

Didn't take long for reality to hit, did it?

Yet again, we have a squad that's unfit for purpose. There's talent in there, but gaping holes in key areas that will cost us time and time again.

The right back situation is a massive concern. Tchamadeu was signed as a long-term project, and he may well develop into a decent full-back at this level, but he's out of his depth. Other teams are targeting him and we don't have the options in the squad to respond to that. (Who thought we'd miss Gooch?)

It doesn't help that the bloke next to him is Ben Wilmot, who has been crap ever since his back injury (and wasn't much better before that). How many times does he cost us trying to pass the ball out of defence? We have to get Phillips alongside Gibson and pray we never get an injury at CB as I'm absolutely fed up of watching this bloke mess up. Sadly there's an even worse version of him waiting in the wings in the form of Michael Rose.

The centre of midfield should be an area of strength on paper, but it's a disaster zone. Who has kidnapped Wouter Burger and replaced him with the gangly streak of piss we've currently got instead? I've never seen a bloke with his stature struggle so much in physical battles. The only thing he seems to be good at is pushing people in the back after they've managed to get to the ball before him. I thought we had a £10m player on our hands here, but you can knock the zero off based on what we've seen so far.

As for Jordan Thompson...we know he's a League One player, but the fact he still starts so many games is why we are where we are.

The attacking midfield is pretty decent, but there's no depth whatsoever. Manhoef-Junho-Koumas is an exciting trio to watch, and Moran isn't bad either, but there's no cover out wide, so as soon as one of them needs to go off, we're throwing on League Two players to replace them. The drop off is enormous.

But as always, the prize turd in the bowl is the centre forward position. Tom Cannon...fucking hell. An absolute joke of a player. His back-ups are an 18 year-old who wasn't good enough to get off MK Dons' bench last season and Niall Ennis, a bloke who runs around like a dog chasing a balloon. We have absolutely no ability to hold the ball up, and our entire season now rests on Sam Gallagher- a jobbing, injury-prone Championship striker who might, in a good year, score 10 goals.

When we're bumming around the bottom 6 in January (which we will be), Manhoef and Junho will be off, and who can blame them?

Utterly fed up.

This post sums it up perfectly.

It's the transfer team that has massively failed. And yet it's the head coach that has paid the price.

And that shows the incompetency of those responsible for making the big decisions. The sacking was truly awful timing.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that it will cost us.

[mrnovember]

Sept 21, 2024 6:13:04 GMT danceswithclams said:

Sept 21, 2024 6:02:29 GMT mrnovember said:

I'm not worried. I'm already writing this season off to focus on combining my two other passions of hedge hopping and erotic asphyxiation.

Did you mean auto-erotic asphyxiation?

I hope so as this makes it sound like you sneak into people's houses and do sex murders.

I'm not fussy.

[questionable]

Sept 20, 2024 23:22:12 GMT march4 said:

Out of all the candidates to assist our new Head Coach where on Earth did Dean Whitehead come from? Good solid player for TP but no real experience for the job in hand at a Championship club.

Though exactly the same, Vale/Barnsley of late. 100% jobs for the boys

[mr]

Sept 21, 2024 2:37:30 GMT tuum said:

I have a fairly relaxed attitude to it all. If we go down then so be it. My biggest concern is how quickly our confidence will crumble if we keep losing. It's not that we are losing in tight games. The fact is we are being taken to the cleaners in every game, especially in the 2nd half.
I don't blame NP for this one but he only has 10 games to get it right and to make us competitive otherwise I fear heads will drop and we may never see any improvement.

With a young group and a hostile crowd it will be a recipe for relegation. They carry the weight of all the shit that went before them when it comes to the crowds atmosphere.

[xchpotter]

I think we will be ok once things settle down, but already this season is written off. Finished in September which I think is earlier than I’ve ever felt…..we are so far away from basic competence, it’s depressing.

[Ron]

Sept 21, 2024 6:35:24 GMT Trouserdog said:

Didn't take long for reality to hit, did it?

Yet again, we have a squad that's unfit for purpose. There's talent in there, but gaping holes in key areas that will cost us time and time again.

The right back situation is a massive concern. Tchamadeu was signed as a long-term project, and he may well develop into a decent full-back at this level, but he's out of his depth. Other teams are targeting him and we don't have the options in the squad to respond to that. (Who thought we'd miss Gooch?)

It doesn't help that the bloke next to him is Ben Wilmot, who has been crap ever since his back injury (and wasn't much better before that). How many times does he cost us trying to pass the ball out of defence? We have to get Phillips alongside Gibson and pray we never get an injury at CB as I'm absolutely fed up of watching this bloke mess up. Sadly there's an even worse version of him waiting in the wings in the form of Michael Rose.

The centre of midfield should be an area of strength on paper, but it's a disaster zone. Who has kidnapped Wouter Burger and replaced him with the gangly streak of piss we've currently got instead? I've never seen a bloke with his stature struggle so much in physical battles. The only thing he seems to be good at is pushing people in the back after they've managed to get to the ball before him. I thought we had a £10m player on our hands here, but you can knock the zero off based on what we've seen so far.

As for Jordan Thompson...we know he's a League One player, but the fact he still starts so many games is why we are where we are.

The attacking midfield is pretty decent, but there's no depth whatsoever. Manhoef-Junho-Koumas is an exciting trio to watch, and Moran isn't bad either, but there's no cover out wide, so as soon as one of them needs to go off, we're throwing on League Two players to replace them. The drop off is enormous.

But as always, the prize turd in the bowl is the centre forward position. Tom Cannon...fucking hell. An absolute joke of a player. His back-ups are an 18 year-old who wasn't good enough to get off MK Dons' bench last season and Niall Ennis, a bloke who runs around like a dog chasing a balloon. We have absolutely no ability to hold the ball up, and our entire season now rests on Sam Gallagher- a jobbing, injury-prone Championship striker who might, in a good year, score 10 goals.

When we're bumming around the bottom 6 in January (which we will be), Manhoef and Junho will be off, and who can blame them?

Utterly fed up.

spot on this

[gingerninja]

I think Trouserdog pretty much sums up the general consensus..

[durbanscircus]

If a club hangs around the bottom of the Championship for a few years history shows that eventually you drop, look at the Blues last year. I think this time we are more likely than not to get relegated. Like others have said I have never written off a season so early. I think its going to get toxic very soon, there is a lot of anger about they way the club has been mismanaged over the last seven years and its only just below the surface.

Silver linings and all that, there are eight new grounds for me in League One, and a similar number in League Two

[doitforfrank]

Sept 21, 2024 6:35:24 GMT Trouserdog said:

Didn't take long for reality to hit, did it?

Yet again, we have a squad that's unfit for purpose. There's talent in there, but gaping holes in key areas that will cost us time and time again.

The right back situation is a massive concern. Tchamadeu was signed as a long-term project, and he may well develop into a decent full-back at this level, but he's out of his depth. Other teams are targeting him and we don't have the options in the squad to respond to that. (Who thought we'd miss Gooch?)

It doesn't help that the bloke next to him is Ben Wilmot, who has been crap ever since his back injury (and wasn't much better before that). How many times does he cost us trying to pass the ball out of defence? We have to get Phillips alongside Gibson and pray we never get an injury at CB as I'm absolutely fed up of watching this bloke mess up. Sadly there's an even worse version of him waiting in the wings in the form of Michael Rose.

The centre of midfield should be an area of strength on paper, but it's a disaster zone. Who has kidnapped Wouter Burger and replaced him with the gangly streak of piss we've currently got instead? I've never seen a bloke with his stature struggle so much in physical battles. The only thing he seems to be good at is pushing people in the back after they've managed to get to the ball before him. I thought we had a £10m player on our hands here, but you can knock the zero off based on what we've seen so far.

As for Jordan Thompson...we know he's a League One player, but the fact he still starts so many games is why we are where we are.

The attacking midfield is pretty decent, but there's no depth whatsoever. Manhoef-Junho-Koumas is an exciting trio to watch, and Moran isn't bad either, but there's no cover out wide, so as soon as one of them needs to go off, we're throwing on League Two players to replace them. The drop off is enormous.

But as always, the prize turd in the bowl is the centre forward position. Tom Cannon...fucking hell. An absolute joke of a player. His back-ups are an 18 year-old who wasn't good enough to get off MK Dons' bench last season and Niall Ennis, a bloke who runs around like a dog chasing a balloon. We have absolutely no ability to hold the ball up, and our entire season now rests on Sam Gallagher- a jobbing, injury-prone Championship striker who might, in a good year, score 10 goals.

When we're bumming around the bottom 6 in January (which we will be), Manhoef and Junho will be off, and who can blame them?

Utterly fed up.

This pretty much sums it up sadly

[FullerMagic]

Hard not to agree with nearly all of Trousers' gloomy prognosis - but got to retain some hope on Cannon.
The PNE fans really rated him after watching him for 6 months, and it's hard to believe more than 50% of the Championship's recruitment teams were hoodwinked into making a serious play for him?

He's only had a handful of starts this year, so must be very rusty


www.pne-online.net/forum/threads/new-signing-tom-cannon-loan-for-the-22-23-season.3437500/page-17
You don’t get many finishers with the level of composure this lad has playing in the second tier.
Big things beckon for him
A serious talent. Everton should be playing this lad next season, regardless of what division they're in imo.
Cannon > Archer
Archer had that uncanny ability to hold a ball up, and lethal with both feet.
Cannon is quicker and better in the air.
Both are class at this level.
TC plays like Nugent in his pomp. Cracking player destined for big things can't understand why Evertons best forward is here.
Cannon for me has all the attributes to be a top striker and as things stand, he walks into Everton’s first team at present and offers much more goal threat than Ellis Simms.
Class act, he'd have scored an absolute shit tonne in a good team.
I'd guess he'll spend the first half of the season at Everton, then if his game time is limited, he'll be sent out to a West Brom or Sunderland in January for a nice loan fee.

[Staffsoatcake]

These last 2 games games. Plus watford,if we have too many of them, we are down.

[silverdollar]

Anyone who is a true Stoke City supporter will be worried! Last night game was not a pleasant experience to watch! At this moment Palach must be wondering what he has let himself in for! In no way at all can he be blamed for the debacle that happened last night. The facts were that we conceded three goals against a side that had previously struggled to score goals, players made errors that you do not expect a pro footballer to make and we did not take advantage of chances to score oursleves. Add to these decisions that have been made by senior management, I would imagine that confidence in the dressing room will be very low amongst our players. It is easy to imagine the mountain that we have to climb. The reaction to all this from people who call themselves Stoke Supporters is also very predictable. The whole situation is so depressing. Nevertheless that is the situation we find ourselves in and that is what Palach has to deal with!
At this moment many supporters will be critical of the decision to sack Schumacher. I certainly was shocked but it's done and we have to move on! In order to improve and move forward I would hope our "Supporters" can do their part in trying to help by ignoring the obvious frailties in our squad and give as much encouragent to the players as we can!

[spiderpuss]

It's a concern that we've let 4 regular starters who knew this league inside out just walk out of the club. They weren't the best, granted, but they'd have more about them than this current bunch. The real rub is they've moved to our rivals in the same league (bar 1). What did Burnley(4th), Blackburn(3rd) & SheffU(6th) see in our players that we didn't? They are not dreadful clubs that needed a quick signing, they knew the players could play in this league when managed well.
We've not replaced any of them with anything of a similar calibre at all. We also declined to continue with Hoever & Cundle which again seems to be a mistake - or again sign someone with similar skills.
Overall we look in trouble the current squad is not good enough and no matter the size of the determination from the Spaniard will turn it around.

The club is currently focussed too much on sideshows and smokescreens. You can fuck the fanzone, lightshow and any other nonsense right off. All anyone wants is a team that performs on the pitch.

[dutchstokie]

Worried..? VERY

[stantheman]

My worry is that come January we're in the bottom 3 and our Spanish messiah quits as he can't do anything with our fucked up squad