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Post by kevkj on Sept 20, 2024 21:34:29 GMT
Change the manager as much as you want.
They have to find things about about the players the fans know.
The right back cant defend.
Wilmot is a liability and has been for years.
Burger cant tacle and his stamina is suspect.
The whole team gets strung out leaving huge gaps.
We must be the easiest team in the league to play against weak as piss,no spine.
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Post by premieraj on Sept 20, 2024 21:36:10 GMT
Change the manager as much as you want. They have to find things about about the players the fans know. The right back cant defend. Wilmot is a liability and has been for years. Burger cant tacle and his stamina is suspect. The whole team gets strung out leaving huge gaps. We must be the easiest team in the league to play against weak as piss,no spine. This it’s sod all to do with managers , tactics the players are simply not good enough and until that changes we will be where we are! |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 20, 2024 22:08:07 GMT
If tonight’s anything to go by it won’t take long until this is really nasty.
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Post by mcw on Sept 20, 2024 22:15:50 GMT
I struggled to identify just what or if we had a midfield second half. This was more of the same as West Brom and Coventry at home, we just simply fall apart after the break. Very very worrying as we look bereft of ideas, sink deeper and deeper back and encourage teams to exploit the massive gaps in midfield and down the sides. This team appears to have no idea what they are supposed to do apart from manically pressing for 10 mins at which point if that doesn’t work they are totally out of ideas. They are tactically inept individually or as a team.
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Post by kevkj on Sept 20, 2024 22:23:18 GMT
Unfit players.
No grit or determination.
Mentally weak.
Do the ones that are their just draw new signings into this weak,lazy,entitled environment.
Best training facilities,treated like royalty.
Been going on for years.
How do we change this?
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 20, 2024 22:24:18 GMT
TP, Warnock and Mowbray new coaching team.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 20, 2024 22:25:10 GMT
Yeah get an old head in, with a no nonsense attitude. Who knows at this stage.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 20, 2024 22:25:36 GMT
I struggled to identify just what or if we had a midfield second half. This was more of the same as West Brom and Coventry at home, we just simply fall apart after the break. Very very worrying as we look bereft of ideas, sink deeper and deeper back and encourage teams to exploit the massive gaps in midfield and down the sides. This team appears to have no idea what they are supposed to do apart from manically pressing for 10 mins at which point if that doesn’t work they are totally out of ideas. They are tactically inept individually or as a team. I find it madness we drop into a mid/low block, yet the opposition find MORE space to play in/through. Its wild. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2024 22:26:20 GMT
Unfit players. No grit or determination. Mentally weak. Do the ones that are their just draw new signings into this weak,lazy,entitled environment. Best training facilities,treated like royalty. Been going on for years. How do we change this? Discussed this on the way home. The players don't give 2 fucking hoots. Most of em anyway |
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Post by kevkj on Sept 20, 2024 22:30:06 GMT
These chancers wouldnt cope with a rough diamond manager.They would down tools.
Imagine how bad that would be when their allegedly trying now.
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Post by stokemark on Sept 20, 2024 22:43:44 GMT
Why sign a team of puny midgets ?
Week as piss with it and a defence that would make Paul Dyson look like Rivaldo.
Wretched recruitment will be our ultimate downfall
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Post by Marc01 on Sept 20, 2024 22:44:42 GMT
Change the manager as much as you want. They have to find things about about the players the fans know. The right back cant defend. Wilmot is a liability and has been for years. Burger cant tacle and his stamina is suspect. The whole team gets strung out leaving huge gaps. We must be the easiest team in the league to play against weak as piss,no spine. This it’s sod all to do with managers , tactics the players are simply not good enough and until that changes we will be where we are! A huge culture had been created (paid and unpaid) debating fancy managerial tactics, line ups, player analysis, etc. It’s all sounds very impressive but to get results, build and succeed you need a combination of very good players, good players and even some average players that add something from a team perspective. Players who are switched on, committed, can reach a high level of consistency and minimise errors. If players cannot perform individually, collectively and consistently you will finish where Stoke have since 2019. Stoke haven’t had these attributes this level since TP’s days. People can over complicate as much as they want. “What was the change?” Clough: “All it was… it was a simple thing, we kept a clean sheet until half time… after that, it was our match if we got a goal” /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1837181217890017315¤tTweetUser=redsidetrent |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 20, 2024 22:48:45 GMT
We’ve got no strength or size in that team….just a bunch of short fannies who couldn’t knock the skin off a rice pudding.
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Post by march4 on Sept 20, 2024 22:50:19 GMT
Yeah get an old head in, with a no nonsense attitude. Who knows at this stage. It’s the one route we haven’t tried. |
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Post by generationex on Sept 20, 2024 22:51:36 GMT
This collection of players that look like they’re 13 will get us out of this division but only downwards.
It may however appeal to those that believe that training youth players to have a bog standard career elsewhere is more important than Stoke City.
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Post by doctortheopolis on Sept 20, 2024 22:52:14 GMT
We are as weak as piss no doubt. That can almost be excused though when you've got a team of young players learning about the game, learning about the physicality of an unforgiving league when you've got seasoned pros looking after them. Firstly, our experienced players can be counted on one hand, secondly we've decided that someone who has never been the number one coach in this country is the man to guide them.
Absolute fucking madness. But absolutely no fucking surprise given the history of decision making since 2017.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 20, 2024 22:55:45 GMT
The tension in there was palpable tonight. Everyone is at the end of their tether with the club, meaning managers are getting less and less time. It's counterproductive because they need time but any patience is well and truly out the window. I really don't know how this one plays out.
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Post by santy on Sept 20, 2024 22:58:52 GMT
The pressing we do looks good superficially. But when you sit and watch you realise we press the player on the ball intensely, but always leave an easy and safe outball for the opposition. Which they take. Because it's so safe and easy we then effectively have to start the press again on this new player. Since we're not doing anything to pressure the next safe passing option another ball is there readily available. When pressing in such a manner you might as well just sit back and save your energy, as essentially you're hoping for a mistake on a simple pass.
While we have that in the locker for their second goal, most teams don't make that mistake.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 23:00:34 GMT
The tension in there was palpable tonight. Everyone is at the end of their tether with the club, meaning managers are getting less and less time. It's counterproductive because they need time but any patience is well and truly out the window. I really don't know how this one plays out. Relegation and 4 years in league one until we finally luck/spend our way out of it. |
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Post by stokemark on Sept 20, 2024 23:10:40 GMT
The pressing we do looks good superficially. But when you sit and watch you realise we press the player on the ball intensely, but always leave an easy and safe outball for the opposition. Which they take. Because it's so safe and easy we then effectively have to start the press again on this new player. Since we're not doing anything to pressure the next safe passing option another ball is there readily available. When pressing in such a manner you might as well just sit back and save your energy, as essentially you're hoping for a mistake on a simple pass. While we have that in the locker for their second goal, most teams don't make that mistake. Spot on The space for the wide ball to be played into was vast We never seem to learn |
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 20, 2024 23:11:56 GMT
If tonight’s anything to go by it won’t take long until this is really nasty. 100% But this is completely different as well The majority of fans feel Schumacher was hard done by (or at least the way it was slyly handled), and it's not really been addressed by Walters Instead he's come out talking himself up about unearthing this 'gem' Pelach... That's left a really bitter taste in most fans' mouths. My gut feel is this could take us 2 steps back having seen some positives under Schumacher. Or worse if it gets really toxic as you say! |
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Post by mcw on Sept 20, 2024 23:19:59 GMT
I struggled to identify just what or if we had a midfield second half. This was more of the same as West Brom and Coventry at home, we just simply fall apart after the break. Very very worrying as we look bereft of ideas, sink deeper and deeper back and encourage teams to exploit the massive gaps in midfield and down the sides. This team appears to have no idea what they are supposed to do apart from manically pressing for 10 mins at which point if that doesn’t work they are totally out of ideas. They are tactically inept individually or as a team. I find it madness we drop into a mid/low block, yet the opposition find MORE space to play in/through. Its wild. Agree, I can’t really fathom it. They managed to be one on one out wide on numerous occasions. At one point I counted 5 of their players in a line all along our back line and yet when we did manage to break they always seemed to be able to double up on Junho/Koumas or Manhoeff to force them inside. Basically I think that they worked out at half time that if they pressed us at the back our midfield was non existent and we would just keep giving them the ball back. It was horrible to watch |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 20, 2024 23:24:22 GMT
The owner should do the right thing and admit he knows nothing about running a football club, sack JW and hire somebody experienced with a proven track record that can run it properly top to bottom.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 20, 2024 23:49:51 GMT
The manager circus is a sideshow for sure, but this bloke watched on Tuesday, Sol was superb but he doesn't use him in that awful midfield.
Tezegel has no pace so he goes wide and Manhoef stays central, even pissed I struggle with that.
These players are bang average, yet JC and SJW think they are play off standard that is bizarre
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 21, 2024 2:58:15 GMT
The tension in there was palpable tonight. Everyone is at the end of their tether with the club, meaning managers are getting less and less time. It's counterproductive because they need time but any patience is well and truly out the window. I really don't know how this one plays out. Coates has to go |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 21, 2024 5:02:29 GMT
Purchases haven't been good enough for years. It's that simple. And after the waste of the final stint in the Premier, and Rowett wasting our parachute joker, it hasn't improved much. Teams challenging near the top in the Championship simply buy stronger players.
For us - garbage in, garbage out.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 21, 2024 5:10:41 GMT
The tension in there was palpable tonight. Everyone is at the end of their tether with the club, meaning managers are getting less and less time. It's counterproductive because they need time but any patience is well and truly out the window. I really don't know how this one plays out. Relegation and 4 years in league one until we finally luck/spend our way out of it. I wouldn’t trust Coates to spend his way out of League 1 |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 21, 2024 5:15:47 GMT
If tonight’s anything to go by it won’t take long until this is really nasty. 100% But this is completely different as well The majority of fans feel Schumacher was hard done by (or at least the way it was slyly handled), and it's not really been addressed by Walters Instead he's come out talking himself up about unearthing this 'gem' Pelach... That's left a really bitter taste in most fans' mouths. My gut feel is this could take us 2 steps back having seen some positives under Schumacher. Or worse if it gets really toxic as you say! Yeah I’ve said similar to this on another thread I think or might have been in the ground. I can’t really see a world where NP recovers from a mass exodus on 79 minutes and then boo’d off by anyone who remained. The connection with the fans is so fragile and this guys already starting wayyyy back due to the decision JW has made. |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 21, 2024 5:36:21 GMT
100% But this is completely different as well The majority of fans feel Schumacher was hard done by (or at least the way it was slyly handled), and it's not really been addressed by Walters Instead he's come out talking himself up about unearthing this 'gem' Pelach... That's left a really bitter taste in most fans' mouths. My gut feel is this could take us 2 steps back having seen some positives under Schumacher. Or worse if it gets really toxic as you say! Yeah I’ve said similar to this on another thread I think or might have been in the ground. I can’t really see a world where NP recovers from a mass exodus on 79 minutes and then boo’d off by anyone who remained. The connection with the fans is so fragile and this guys already starting wayyyy back due to the decision JW has made. A bit harsh. The issue is whether Pelach has the ability to deal with and lessen the flaws in our players and squad. I'm not sure Schumacher had, otherwise the errors wouldn't still be so obvious. |
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Post by RAF on Sept 21, 2024 5:37:50 GMT
The real problem here is that TP as much as I disliked his football apart from the few times he went Pulis Plus +++
Two wingers Pennant and Ethers etc. Is what people genuinely want in the Potteries.
They clamour to be hated, hard uncompromising, a shit house outfit!
I get that because it was effective of the time and it pissed Wenger off!
I fucking hated Pulisball zero and bringing Walters in to recreate that kind of mentality is fine if he has the talent to do so, which I don't think he does.
As much as I reviled TP I'd have him back now if it inserted a spine into people because we are lacking that in several quarters.
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