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Post by clivey05 on Sept 21, 2024 3:31:20 GMT
I know we are a young team, but it’s felt like watching men against boys a lot this season, maybe look at bringing Rise in for Wilmot and maybe even try Stevens at right back.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 21, 2024 6:13:37 GMT
I’ve heard loads of this forum of ‘unsong here Thompson’.
Watch the game tonight, that tells you all you need to know.
The lad is a fraud.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 21, 2024 8:34:23 GMT
Where shall we start? Major issues in all those departments at the moment. Wow! Someone, somewhere give me something to be hopeful about? We have lawal and Gallagher to into important positions |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 21, 2024 8:37:12 GMT
To have vidigal training alone when we’re bringing Tezgel on right wing, we deserve everything we get. And I’m not a big fan of vidigal but Christ alive anyone with half a brain knows Tezgel inner a winger. That was from the Alex Neil book of strange subs. Bizarre. |
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Post by tommystoke123 on Sept 21, 2024 9:04:03 GMT
Zambrano and Millar absolutely tore us a new one.
Goes to show when you show ambition!
Jared Dublin must be pissing himself laughing.
Now we’re stuck with Jordan fecking Thompson and Ben Bloody Wilmot, 2 players fans overrate massively
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Post by starkiller on Sept 21, 2024 9:05:43 GMT
We have been buying crap for years and years.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 21, 2024 9:05:51 GMT
Zambrano and Millar absolutely tore us a new one. Goes to show when you show ambition! Jared Dublin must be pissing himself laughing. Now we’re stuck with Jordan fecking Thompson and Ben Bloody Wilmot, 2 players fans overrate massively Jared Dublin is part of the reason we have such a poor squad. |
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Post by tommystoke123 on Sept 21, 2024 9:13:37 GMT
Zambrano and Millar absolutely tore us a new one. Goes to show when you show ambition! Jared Dublin must be pissing himself laughing. Now we’re stuck with Jordan fecking Thompson and Ben Bloody Wilmot, 2 players fans overrate massively Jared Dublin is part of the reason we have such a poor squad. Did Dublin bring in Thompson, Wilmot, Gibson? They’re the weak links, Million, Bae and Burger can’t do it all on their own when there’s crap surrounded by them. Mmaee was a good signing but fans didn’t rate him because he didn’t run like a headless chicken like Jacob Brown, who had no technical ability, so was just rated for running. We should’ve kept him here at the club, stupid decision by Schumacher, who was then axed a couple weeks later |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 21, 2024 9:16:37 GMT
Jared Dublin is part of the reason we have such a poor squad. Did Dublin bring in Thompson, Wilmot, Gibson? They’re the weak links, Million, Bae and Burger can’t do it all on their own when there’s crap surrounded by them. Mmaee was a good signing but fans didn’t rate him because he didn’t run like a headless chicken like Jacob Brown, who had no technical ability, so was just rated for running. We should’ve kept him here at the club, stupid decision by Schumacher, who was then axed a couple weeks later No, but he did oversee 22 new signings as head of recruitment last season. Some of the revisionism on him is astounding. I'd have actually kept him, despite all the above, as his replacement somehow looks worse. |
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Post by tommystoke123 on Sept 21, 2024 9:20:16 GMT
Did Dublin bring in Thompson, Wilmot, Gibson? They’re the weak links, Million, Bae and Burger can’t do it all on their own when there’s crap surrounded by them. Mmaee was a good signing but fans didn’t rate him because he didn’t run like a headless chicken like Jacob Brown, who had no technical ability, so was just rated for running. We should’ve kept him here at the club, stupid decision by Schumacher, who was then axed a couple weeks later No, but he did oversee 22 new signings as head of recruitment last season. Some of the revisionism on him is astounding. I'd have actually kept him, despite all the above, as his replacement somehow looks worse. We’d probably be in the prem if 22 of the signings worked out tbh. It could’ve been better tbh, but it’s quite hard for 22 players to gel with each other straight away. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 21, 2024 9:22:18 GMT
Zambrano and Millar absolutely tore us a new one. Goes to show when you show ambition! Jared Dublin must be pissing himself laughing. Now we’re stuck with Jordan fecking Thompson and Ben Bloody Wilmot, 2 players fans overrate massively That was their first win of the season and they wouldn’t have scored in a month of Sundays without a huge helping hand from both the officials and our defence. They’ll struggle this season. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 21, 2024 10:30:45 GMT
I honestly don't know how we've managed to recruit such an awful defence. The entire side lacks balance. I can't see us in the top half. We arguably have the most balanced defence for years - a left-footed CB and proper LB/LWB. In Rose and Wilmot we have right-footed CBs, the latter of whom can make long passes and then in Junior we have a RB/RWB. I don’t see an issue on the left. Gibson is a proven CB at this level and whilst Bocat was poor last night, he has generally shown he can be very good for us and improve. The problem is over on the right. Junior is just not very good and Wilmot flatters to deceive most times he plays for us. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 21, 2024 10:40:05 GMT
Forwards will be fine if they have a good base to build on Wouter Burger is not that base (neither is Wilmot) Burgers tackling is fucking atrocious I don’t want to be but he always seems to tackle “side on” to the opposition player and/or the ball. Wilmot’s miss placed pass was seized upon 35 yards from the goal, look back at Burger’s attempt to tackle the player with the ball. Similar for the 3rd goal on the touchline |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 11:16:58 GMT
We don't have a decent side,just a few good individuals.
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 21, 2024 13:13:38 GMT
Burgers tackling is fucking atrocious I don’t want to be but he always seems to tackle “side on” to the opposition player and/or the ball. Wilmot’s miss placed pass was seized upon 35 yards from the goal, look back at Burger’s attempt to tackle the player with the ball. Similar for the 3rd goal on the touchline He does seem to tackle side on and usually by hanging out his back leg...very strange |
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Post by mcw on Sept 21, 2024 13:19:57 GMT
I don’t want to be but he always seems to tackle “side on” to the opposition player and/or the ball. Wilmot’s miss placed pass was seized upon 35 yards from the goal, look back at Burger’s attempt to tackle the player with the ball. Similar for the 3rd goal on the touchline He does seem to tackle side on and usually by hanging out his back leg...very strange Burger has been abysmal this season. |
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 21, 2024 14:28:50 GMT
We have a weak spine. The keeper is fine but for several seasons we have needed a dominant centre half which we haven’t got. We have loads of midfield players but not one is a leader, getting about the pitch making tackles. Our forward line is littered with tidy players but we need a centre forward to play off.
In this league you need 7 or 8 powerful players with a sprinkling of flair. It’s not rocket science. To not have a competitive team that can challenge for promotion since we came down is managerial incompetence
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 23, 2024 11:20:44 GMT
It’s defence. The CBs are the most important players on a team for me. And we’ve consistently had a pairing for 7 years now that’s just not good enough. How have we not recruited better in that department? It’s criminal. Gibson was in the top 23 of centre backs last season who passed the ball forward the furthest distance. Being left-footed as well makes him a really useful asset for playing out from the back. Wilmot was the best centre back for recovering loose balls. It comes as no surprise though that both players were in the bottom 10 worst defenders in the league for winning tackles. I do think that a back three would suit them best, but they need a beast CB between the two of them to do the rough stuff and allow the two Bens to demonstrate their other qualities. If we stick with a back four though, then we need to lose Wilmot. Whilst the best of a poor bunch, I would far prefer Rose partnering Gibson. |
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Post by femark on Sept 23, 2024 11:26:10 GMT
It’s defence. The CBs are the most important players on a team for me. And we’ve consistently had a pairing for 7 years now that’s just not good enough. How have we not recruited better in that department? It’s criminal. Gibson was in the top 23 of centre backs last season who passed the ball forward the furthest distance. Being left-footed as well makes him a really useful asset for playing out from the back. Wilmot was the best centre back for recovering loose balls. It comes as no surprise though that both players were in the bottom 10 worst defenders in the league for winning tackles. I do think that a back three would suit them best, but they need a beast CB between the two of them to do the rough stuff and allow the two Bens to demonstrate their other qualities. If we stick with a back four though, then we need to lose Wilmot. Whilst the best of a poor bunch, I would far prefer Rose partnering Gibson. We just need better all round centre backs. If we had a "beast of a CB" between them, then teams would still target the other two CB's. |
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Post by onionman on Sept 23, 2024 11:53:50 GMT
It’s defence. The CBs are the most important players on a team for me. And we’ve consistently had a pairing for 7 years now that’s just not good enough. How have we not recruited better in that department? It’s criminal. Gibson was in the top 23 of centre backs last season who passed the ball forward the furthest distance. Being left-footed as well makes him a really useful asset for playing out from the back. Wilmot was the best centre back for recovering loose balls. It comes as no surprise though that both players were in the bottom 10 worst defenders in the league for winning tackles. I do think that a back three would suit them best, but they need a beast CB between the two of them to do the rough stuff and allow the two Bens to demonstrate their other qualities. If we stick with a back four though, then we need to lose Wilmot. Whilst the best of a poor bunch, I would far prefer Rose partnering Gibson. Every time we sign a centre-back, about 5 games later the most positive thing we can say is that he might be ok if we had someone good alongside him. Unfortunately the someone good never appears. Top 23 of centre-backs for passing the ball forward is about as damning with faint praise as you can get. |
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Post by a on Sept 23, 2024 12:24:55 GMT
I really don’t think the players are entirely that bad. RB is a big issue no doubt. LB I think bocat could come good. CBs I think with the right support from midfield are probably ok. GK no concerns.
The midfield is a big part of our issues, defensively they’re not supporting well enough, forcing the fullbacks inside and leaving massive gaps.
The forwards are good enough imo, Million, Junho and Koumas look to have the quality to get goals. Cannon I’m hoping he’s just rusty but I questioned why we weren’t going for a more proven entity and hoping he is as good as the hype on here suggested.
Hopefully Gallagher and Lawal are good enough, same with Seko but who honestly knows.
The issue is the lack of fitness, desire and determination to get results. That and some semblance of an identity wrt tactics and there’s still a chance we might be able to see a mid table finish. It could very easily unravel further before it gets better.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 23, 2024 12:28:55 GMT
Gibson was in the top 23 of centre backs last season who passed the ball forward the furthest distance. Being left-footed as well makes him a really useful asset for playing out from the back. Wilmot was the best centre back for recovering loose balls. It comes as no surprise though that both players were in the bottom 10 worst defenders in the league for winning tackles. I do think that a back three would suit them best, but they need a beast CB between the two of them to do the rough stuff and allow the two Bens to demonstrate their other qualities. If we stick with a back four though, then we need to lose Wilmot. Whilst the best of a poor bunch, I would far prefer Rose partnering Gibson. Every time we sign a centre-back, about 5 games later the most positive thing we can say is that he might be ok if we had someone good alongside him. Unfortunately the someone good never appears. Top 23 of centre-backs for passing the ball forward is about as damning with faint praise as you can get. Not necessarily. When you play on the front foot, that needs to start from the back. A CB who is comfortable playing out with the ball and passing forwards is critical to that. Unfortunately, Gibson can't actually defend, which is probably why he never made it in the Premier League. But those passing qualities can't be disregarded, and having a beast alongside him would help. Every partnership, whether in defence, midfield, or attack requires balance. If I was able to dig up those stats on Gibson and Wilmot then our Head of Recruitment should have been able to do the same. It's on the club that those two are incompatible in defence, and should have brought in a more authoritative centre back to play alongside Gibson. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 23, 2024 12:49:44 GMT
I really don’t think the players are entirely that bad. RB is a big issue no doubt. LB I think bocat could come good. CBs I think with the right support from midfield are probably ok. GK no concerns. The midfield is a big part of our issues, defensively they’re not supporting well enough, forcing the fullbacks inside and leaving massive gaps. The forwards are good enough imo, Million, Junho and Koumas look to have the quality to get goals. Cannon I’m hoping he’s just rusty but I questioned why we weren’t going for a more proven entity and hoping he is as good as the hype on here suggested. Hopefully Gallagher and Lawal are good enough, same with Seko but who honestly knows. The issue is the lack of fitness, desire and determination to get results. That and some semblance of an identity wrt tactics and there’s still a chance we might be able to see a mid table finish. It could very easily unravel further before it gets better. Though two goals came from defensive errors I thought the biggest single issue of our game was in midfield. I don't know why there were such huge gaps all over the place there. They overrun us in midfield from the latter part of the first half and if that is happening then the defence are inevitable going to come under increased pressure. When that happens then they are more likely to be forced into errors. Thompson comes as tidy (at best) but he doesn't stamp any authority on that area of the pitch and Burger is like a wet blanket. He reminded me a bit of Clucas in that game tbh (a nightmarish thought!) |
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Post by skip on Sept 23, 2024 13:00:13 GMT
Starting to look as though our entire season is hinging on whether or not a bloke with a fractured back can cut it at this level. <liking> for the best gallows humour post so far today. |
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Post by independent on Sept 23, 2024 13:11:34 GMT
What is more worrying is how our new "Manager" is going to attract the quality players we need to improve the team. The only thing that we have to offer at the moment is a bigger wage packet.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 23, 2024 13:40:15 GMT
What is more worrying is how our new "Manager" is going to attract the quality players we need to improve the team. The only thing that we have to offer at the moment is a bigger wage packet. Luckily for us, with the bulk of humans that's all that matters. |
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Post by onionman on Sept 23, 2024 13:52:50 GMT
Every time we sign a centre-back, about 5 games later the most positive thing we can say is that he might be ok if we had someone good alongside him. Unfortunately the someone good never appears. Top 23 of centre-backs for passing the ball forward is about as damning with faint praise as you can get. Not necessarily. When you play on the front foot, that needs to start from the back. A CB who is comfortable playing out with the ball and passing forwards is critical to that. Unfortunately, Gibson can't actually defend, which is probably why he never made it in the Premier League. But those passing qualities can't be disregarded, and having a beast alongside him would help. Every partnership, whether in defence, midfield, or attack requires balance. If I was able to dig up those stats on Gibson and Wilmot then our Head of Recruitment should have been able to do the same. It's on the club that those two are incompatible in defence, and should have brought in a more authoritative centre back to play alongside Gibson. Basically agree with you entirely. I just also think 23rd best forward passer is quite a long way down the list of Championship centre-backs, especially when the rest of his game is pretty poor. I mean if we wanted to pick a centre-back that couldn't defend, we could at least have picked one who is better than bog standard at passing the ball. |
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 23, 2024 15:24:06 GMT
No matter what you think of individual players, the two primary issues I have been seeing are 1) Lack of Fitness and 2) Confusion leading to mistakes.
Both coachable.
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