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Post by apb1 on Sept 20, 2024 10:22:41 GMT
Teams with a worse points average per season played in the last 6 years in Championship, and their highest finish in that time
Hull (7)
Huddersfield (3)
Barnsley (5)
Reading (7)
Sheff W (12)
Birmingham (17)
Plymouth (21)
Wigan (18)
Charlton (22)
Peterborough (22)
Rotherham (19)
Wycombe (22)
Blackpool (23)
Bolton (23)
Even among this list of yoyo league one landfill, four of them have managed to at least flirt with the playoffs once in a string of mediocre seasons.
We have been total garbage, and we shouldn't be. Why is that an entitled view? And why shouldn't some of the fanbase be cynical or pessimistic now? I love it when we do well, and I count two successive wins as doing well, but fuck me I can understand a negative mindset among the fanbase.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 20, 2024 10:26:11 GMT
Exactly. We've finished 16th, 15th, 14th, 14th, 16th, and 17th since being relegated - what more do people want? Which is exactly where we were heading this season. So they make a left field proactive decision to try and shake it up but no still won’t do. This board is completely fucked. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 20, 2024 10:29:11 GMT
Plucks his eyebrows and has good cheek bones. That's enough for me. can't argue with that cracking beard too Never trust a man with a beard, woman even more so! 😒 |
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 20, 2024 10:31:45 GMT
I think we are as a fanbase like any other, if they had experienced the total shitshow since our relegation. Depressed, cynical and expecting the worst. Any time we have had hope we have had it knocked out of us - e.g. O'Neill with the injuries to Campbell and Souttar when we were playing ok, Neill's first season after we went 1-0 up v Bristol C in our only true patch of form only to lose 2-1 then collapse badly, and last week at Oxford when it finally felt before the game we might kick on. There's also the fact that the people moaning at one initiative might not be the same as those moaning at another. Let's hope this latest chap is the one to lead us to the promised land aka a top half finish! I think we have a fanbase somewhat spoiled by being in the Premier League - we've become what we used to take the piss out of, fans who think they are above this league and have a right to go up. Until we go an entire season without some entitled dickhead saying "we should be pissing this tin pot league" we'll continue looking like a punch drunk prize fighter telling everyone down the pub how he used to be a contender. Yeah mate, course you were. We have still spent more years in the top division (be that Division 1 or Premier League) than we have in any other. |
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Post by stokienorthants on Sept 20, 2024 10:37:27 GMT
I don’t think as a club they could make a decision without people just moaning at them for it. Very very negative attitude towards everything they do. They could give us the moon an a stick and we would berate them for the quality of the stick. Your title should read It’s 😉 |
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Post by professorplump on Sept 20, 2024 10:40:19 GMT
After 6 consecutive bottom half finishes, Walters has been brought in to shake up the football side of the club and that is what he is doing, yet a lot of people seem resistant to him making any decisions. Of course he may fail and I get the feeling there are one or two on here willing him to, but he has to at least be given the chance. Jared Dublin reached almost sainthood status after he was sacked and I suspect the same will happen to Schumacher.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 20, 2024 10:44:59 GMT
I don’t think as a club they could make a decision without people just moaning at them for it. Very very negative attitude towards everything they do. They could give us the moon an a stick and we would berate them for the quality of the stick. One of the most moronic, ‘look at me’ posts I’ve ever seen in 15 years of perusing this site |
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Post by teenagefanclub on Sept 20, 2024 10:52:12 GMT
I don’t think as a club they could make a decision without people just moaning at them for it. Very very negative attitude towards everything they do. They could give us the moon an a stick and we would berate them for the quality of the stick. One of the most moronic, ‘look at me’ posts I’ve ever seen in 15 years of perusing this site Yet you’ve managed to beat it |
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Sept 20, 2024 10:56:47 GMT
I don’t think as a club they could make a decision without people just moaning at them for it. Very very negative attitude towards everything they do. They could give us the moon an a stick and we would berate them for the quality of the stick. You can please some of the people some of the time but you'll never please all of the people all of the time. Think that's the saying. Was ever thus.. I think it's "You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. But you can't please all of the people all of the time". I'm not sure Stoke ever please all of the people ever. (Actually questioning whether that quote relates to fooling people not pleasing people....) |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 20, 2024 11:01:49 GMT
I don’t think as a club they could make a decision without people just moaning at them for it. Very very negative attitude towards everything they do. They could give us the moon an a stick and we would berate them for the quality of the stick. Happy clapper, I'm satisfied with a load of shit alert. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 20, 2024 11:32:09 GMT
I don’t think as a club they could make a decision without people just moaning at them for it. Very very negative attitude towards everything they do. They could give us the moon an a stick and we would berate them for the quality of the stick. Happy clapper, I'm satisfied with a load of shit alert. What a very childish (albeit not unexpected) remark. |
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Post by teenagefanclub on Sept 20, 2024 11:38:01 GMT
We need a DOF with actual football experience
We appoint one
Not that football experience
We always let things go on too long before we act
We act quickly
That’s harsh he should have had more time
Why do we always have British managers
Hire foreign coach
Needed a Moyes type
It’s like dealing with bloody toddlers
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 20, 2024 11:41:19 GMT
You can please some of the people some of the time but you'll never please all of the people all of the time. Think that's the saying. Was ever thus.. I think it's "You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. But you can't please all of the people all of the time". I'm not sure Stoke ever please all of the people ever. (Actually questioning whether that quote relates to fooling people not pleasing people....) Abraham Lincoln adapted the original quote to make it about fools. John Lydgate, monk and poet from hundreds of years ago is claimed to have created the original about “pleasing”. |
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 20, 2024 12:07:10 GMT
Exactly. We've finished 16th, 15th, 14th, 14th, 16th, and 17th since being relegated - what more do people want? Kin hell. Written down it looks proper shyte doesn't it 😲 It does, and it’s felt even worse! |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 20, 2024 12:24:18 GMT
I don’t think as a club they could make a decision without people just moaning at them for it. Very very negative attitude towards everything they do. They could give us the moon an a stick and we would berate them for the quality of the stick. OK so are you happy with the results of the last 6 seasons and the turnover of managers? Would you prefer us to return to a more stable side and perhaps even get promoted? People, including myself are moaning because we seem to be constantly repeating the same mistakes. We change managers/ Head coaches, hope for improvement and see none. No wonder we moan. |
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Post by jay1610 on Sept 20, 2024 12:27:40 GMT
Forgive me for using a decade’s worth of evidence to support the view that those running the club are poor decision-makers.
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Post by teenagefanclub on Sept 20, 2024 12:39:58 GMT
Forgive me for using a decade’s worth of evidence to support the view that those running the club are poor decision-makers. I forgive you my child |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 20, 2024 12:52:30 GMT
Exactly. We've finished 16th, 15th, 14th, 14th, 16th, and 17th since being relegated - what more do people want? Exactly this. Shall I say it again just in case those in the back can't hear? Relegated 16th 15th 14th 14th 16th 17th Not only that, I think we've only managed to win more games than we've lost ONCE in the past 15 seasons. And even then there was one game in it. I suspect all of the other 91 clubs in the football league have a better record than that, and if not it can't be far off. To be fair, winning more than you lose in the PL is a tough ask. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 20, 2024 13:01:33 GMT
You can please some of the people some of the time but you'll never please all of the people all of the time. Think that's the saying. Was ever thus.. I think it's "You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. But you can't please all of the people all of the time". I'm not sure Stoke ever please all of the people ever. (Actually questioning whether that quote relates to fooling people not pleasing people....) I'm not sure they even please some of the people some of the time. |
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Post by moon on Sept 20, 2024 13:08:32 GMT
Exactly. We've finished 16th, 15th, 14th, 14th, 16th, and 17th since being relegated - what more do people want? Exactly this. Shall I say it again just in case those in the back can't hear? Relegated 16th 15th 14th 14th 16th 17th Not only that, I think we've only managed to win more games than we've lost ONCE in the past 15 seasons. And even then there was one game in it. I suspect all of the other 91 clubs in the football league have a better record than that, and if not it can't be far off. To add to that, we've had 8 managers in that time and god knows how many backroom staff to go with them, signed 60+ players - most of whom were shite, loaned ~40 players most of whom were shite (in their time here at least). I dread to think what the finances look like over that period. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 20, 2024 13:37:15 GMT
I’m going to be honest, I like the way Narcis speaks and how he talks about his philosophy & how he sees it working at Stoke. He’s clearly got a vision and believes he knows how to achieve it.
However, I’m not a fan of his “sitting and cross legged” technique. Maybe it was how the interview was set up and he felt he had to go for it that way but I just don’t think it looks right.
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 20, 2024 14:00:01 GMT
I’m going to be honest, I like the way Narcis speaks and how he talks about his philosophy & how he sees it working at Stoke. He’s clearly got a vision and believes he knows how to achieve it. However, I’m not a fan of his “sitting and cross legged” technique. Maybe it was how the interview was set up and he felt he had to go for it that way but I just don’t think it looks right. If him sitting cross legged for an interview is all you're picking at, I think hes done fine in the interview 😉😁 |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 20, 2024 14:52:31 GMT
If people are like me then they are pleased and upset.
I don't like the way the Schumacher situation has been handled and it looks like he was stabbed in the back a little but I have hated this succession of British managers/coaches. I liked Schumacher, I believe he will have a good career, it's a shame it won't be with us but we move on. In some ways although pretty ruthlessly Walters has put together a team I like and a coach in charge who isn't British, that's everything I've wanted really.
I just hope the ruthless behavior from Walters is just a part of the foundation and vision he sees and built and its not going to be something continuous that he carries day in day out around the club or he will quickly become disliked and create an negative atmosphere. Nobody likes a boss who's a twat and when they want you to do favours for them people tend to politely say fuck off
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 20, 2024 15:30:03 GMT
For a "happy clapper" as a few have labelled me and an outsider Yank, even I can certainly understand a negative mindset regarding this club. Some of the finest masochists on here that I've ever met.
I cannot figure out how Managers/Coaches come in here, start to develop a winning system, then the very next game, if not the next one after that, they totally change back to negative, fraidy-cat football.
We had a succession of 3 managers who couldn't even get the players in sufficient match-shape, played people out of position and persisted with it even when it was obvious it wasn't working.
Most of them had "undroppable" players who should have had their arses kicked and benched. Irrational changes to strategy, structure - endless tinkering.
And we have repeatedly turned strikers into non-entities, either through total lack of service or the same strikers missing the net from 4 feet away.
Unbalanced squads year after year.
Stoke has some of the best and most longsuffering fans in football. So if someone comes on here after witnessing the latest "insipidry" and post something negative - I understand.
Even the most negative of posters on here are pretty much just saying, "Quit accepting crap football!"
Agree with "thisisouryear's" post which hit me spot on about where I've been at with this latest series of events. I am exactly that - pleased and upset.
Just want to see a well-drilled team, playing a system (Or two)that works, regardless if it's home or away or who we are playing, an identity, something where we can all see what we're trying to do and feel that it has a chance to work. Make Stoke a difficult place to come and play again. Am encouraged that this new guy emphasizes attack, but states that attack without a competent defense is a waste. Yeah! We've all been screaming that!
Don't care if we end up Stokealona again or just Stokearoni - if either works, lets stick with it and recruit the players to do it.
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 20, 2024 16:23:17 GMT
It's impossible to please everyone. People talk about the Oatcake like we're one singular mind that flip flops around like a fish out of water when we're obviously a bunch of different people with different opinions. You're always going to get some that are unhappy with a certain decision when there's this many of us and when you're unhappy you're going to moan. We shouldn't be scared of people having a difference of opinion Absolutely…. This is a big issue on this board. ‘It takes all sorts’* as my Nan used to say! *Other liquorish snacks are available. |
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Post by jzime on Sept 20, 2024 16:58:45 GMT
After 6 consecutive bottom half finishes, Walters has been brought in to shake up the football side of the club and that is what he is doing, yet a lot of people seem resistant to him making any decisions. Of course he may fail and I get the feeling there are one or two on here willing him to, but he has to at least be given the chance. Jared Dublin reached almost sainthood status after he was sacked and I suspect the same will happen to Schumacher. I don't think anybody wants Walters to fail, no fan of Stoke City wants the club to fail do they? I always liked the bloke when he played for us, and now he's in such an important role I absolutely want him to succeed and bring Stoke back to the top flight. I also like the idea, in principle, of a Technical Director helping to run the club and set a strategy, internal culture and style of football than can outlast any one manager / head coach who might otherwise want to totally reshape the squad as soon as we hire or fire them. Of course Walters is in that post now, so he has the right to make those big decisions and I don't begrudge him making the calls as he sees them. In many ways, he's made a very brave decision that might very well make or brake his career; the easiest thing in the world would have been to let Schumacher stay until the end of the season and let him ride it out unless we were in real relegation trouble. That said, I think it is entirely fair and reasonable to question his credentials. His entire CV up until now amounts to being a professional footballer and then doing this job for about six months at Fleetwood and Waterford. And on the basis of that pretty limited experience, he is now effectively calling the shots at a huge club with an enormous budget. I don't think that scale of rapid career development really happens in any other sector. Never in a million years would (for example) bp or Rolls-Royce take some mid-level manager who is leading a team of a dozen people and appoint them as the next CEO or Head of HR; they might find really talented people and see how they get on in increasingly senior positions over a series of years, but it wouldn't be instant. With all due respect to Waterford, I think you follow the analogy. I want Walters to do well. I want his appointment to be a bold move that goes down in history as one of the shrewdest things the Coates family ever did. I want Pèlach to be an unmitigated success who stays here for a decade, makes us a consistently successful top-flight club, and has us competing for domestic trophies. But ultimately, in John Coates, the person who hired Walters to begin with was the same Chairman who has gotten every single big call wrong since appointing Lambert. So please forgive me for being a little nervous. |
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Post by onionman on Sept 20, 2024 17:18:42 GMT
I think the actual quote from Abraham Lincoln is: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can fool some of the Stoke fans all of the time, and what's more they'll log on to the Oatcake and chastise anyone who dares to questions any of the decisions any of the time."
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