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Post by redstriper on Sept 11, 2024 6:35:41 GMT
good read. The change has been obvious and it's duller for it imo. The same as TV drama is now that we rarely see any sex scenes  death of the screamer |
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Post by stoke1989 on Sept 11, 2024 7:31:10 GMT
Peps fault.
Not even joking.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Sept 11, 2024 7:57:06 GMT
Sex scenes and screamers? That reminds me, I haven't seen Porkies in years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2024 7:59:38 GMT
Peps fault. Not even joking. Indeed it is. He hates giving possession away and long shots I would imagine percentage wise are best off not happening. Look at Messi and his free kicks and general longer shots. It’s not been until Guardiola left that both have come to the fore and it’s not a coincidence. |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Sept 11, 2024 8:01:43 GMT
Nothing better than when someone lines one up from a outrageous distance and it just flys in.
Football has lost that completely, now players just recycle the ball out wide and try passing teams to death.
Bring back rock and roll football, high tempo, high pressure and loads of individuality.
The way the game should be played
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2024 8:07:44 GMT
Nothing better than when someone lines one up from a outrageous distance and it just flys in. Football has lost that completely, now players just recycle the ball out wide and try passing teams to death. Bring back rock and roll football, high tempo, high pressure and loads of individuality. The way the game should be played Isn’t that what “pressing” is about though? I fucking hate this obsession with it tbh. |
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 11, 2024 8:10:53 GMT
Remember that brief period under MON where we were the top scorers in the whole of Europe for goals scored from outside the box.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Sept 11, 2024 8:17:53 GMT
Nothing better than when someone lines one up from a outrageous distance and it just flys in. Football has lost that completely, now players just recycle the ball out wide and try passing teams to death. Bring back rock and roll football, high tempo, high pressure and loads of individuality. The way the game should be played Isn’t that what “pressing” is about though? I fucking hate this obsession with it tbh. Pressing has always been a thing in the game though The way pressing is triggered has changed a lot though, football used to be just press at all times Now it's a lot more nuanced your only pressing off indicators/triggers |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2024 8:20:39 GMT
Isn’t that what “pressing” is about though? I fucking hate this obsession with it tbh. Pressing has always been a thing in the game though The way pressing is triggered has changed a lot though, football used to be just press at all times Now it's a lot more nuanced your only pressing off indicators/triggers Not to this extent though. It’s now the default tactic for a lot of teams as coaches can’t be arsed to think outside the box a bit. It’s so lazy. |
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Post by Abdoulaye25 on Sept 11, 2024 8:41:23 GMT
The rise of data has made football more predictable and boring. The statistics say to play it safe and keep possession rather than risk a long shot, so that's what teams do. Pep/Man City are an incredible side, but I've got no interest in watching any of their games.
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Post by femark on Sept 11, 2024 8:48:51 GMT
Pressing has always been a thing in the game though The way pressing is triggered has changed a lot though, football used to be just press at all times Now it's a lot more nuanced your only pressing off indicators/triggers Not to this extent though. It’s now the default tactic for a lot of teams as coaches can’t be arsed to think outside the box a bit. It’s so lazy. What would you prefer? |
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Post by idle on Sept 11, 2024 9:52:51 GMT
The rise of data has made football more predictable and boring. The statistics say to play it safe and keep possession rather than risk a long shot, so that's what teams do. Pep/Man City are an incredible side, but I've got no interest in watching any of their games. I couldn't agree more. In fact the entire PL bar a few teams are just as boring, as is the championsleague (or whatever it's called now) Give me a game with worse players and less tactical managers any day. It makes the games so much more unpredictable. There's a balance though, and I think the championship is the level I prefer. |
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Post by redstriper on Sept 11, 2024 10:09:56 GMT
I propose a small rule change incentive, if you score from outside the box you can remove your shirt to celebrate without being booked, and if the keeper can only tip it away for a corner he gets booked. Meaning with two decent efforts you can get him sent off |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 11, 2024 10:36:21 GMT
When I was a kid you rarely saw a goal from outside the area. I remember seeing Arie Haan catch the commentator out V W Germany , never mind the keeper and had never seen a ball hit from such distance.
You see great long range efforts weekly now , free kicks etc. Hardly anyone scored from free kicks years ago. Any long range shot from outside the area in the 80s even was a rarity and immediately goal of the month winner
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 11, 2024 10:56:35 GMT
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Post by pez75 on Sept 11, 2024 11:01:50 GMT
Pressing has always been a thing in the game though The way pressing is triggered has changed a lot though, football used to be just press at all times Now it's a lot more nuanced your only pressing off indicators/triggers Not to this extent though. It’s now the default tactic for a lot of teams as coaches can’t be arsed to think outside the box a bit. It’s so lazy. Lazy? Its quite the opposite. In fact I'd say that the current preference for pressing is partly down to the constant advance of players fitness levels. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 11, 2024 11:05:05 GMT
Peps fault. Not even joking. True enough. I like to watch all the goals from the EFL leagues on a Sunday, it amazes me how many are scored from mistakes trying to pass out from the back!! I am glad Shuey has not adopted the tactic, OK rarely do we see a long goal kick from the keeper, but we seem to play it to the defenders in enough space and they tend to get it up the pitch without any heart attack moments!! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2024 11:06:06 GMT
Not to this extent though. It’s now the default tactic for a lot of teams as coaches can’t be arsed to think outside the box a bit. It’s so lazy. Lazy? Its quite the opposite. In fact I'd say that the current preference for pressing is partly down to the constant advance of players fitness levels. Coaching wise it’s lazy. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 11, 2024 11:36:42 GMT
Isn’t that what “pressing” is about though? I fucking hate this obsession with it tbh. Pressing has always been a thing in the game though The way pressing is triggered has changed a lot though, football used to be just press at all times Now it's a lot more nuanced your only pressing off indicators/triggers I don’t think that’s true. Watch any old football, the amount of time the defenders had if they were bringing the ball out is ridiculous, they were barely put under any pressure at all. And short goal kicks were almost unheard of. High pressing is a radical change. |
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Post by skip on Sept 11, 2024 11:41:17 GMT
Pep's Man City may well turn out to be the most continually successful side in English football but christ alive they are absolutely tedious to watch.
Passing triangles, tip tap, nip in the box, micro passes, ghost an inch past a defender, tap it in. Over and over. Awful.
Fucking smash it from twenty five yards you twat.
Someone should do a study of the rise of the crowd shouting "shoot!". It's not because it's a guaranteed goal, but a cry for something spectacular.
Pep's methods are as predictable as Route One is decried.
It's all shit.
<rant ends>
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 11, 2024 11:51:01 GMT
The rise of the cut inside and curler is notable too. I blame Arjen Robben.
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Post by lennythegoose on Sept 11, 2024 11:53:33 GMT
My top 3:
Steino v Rotherham
Brammer v Luton (?)
Beest v Telford away
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Post by lennythegoose on Sept 11, 2024 11:54:32 GMT
Honourable mention for Mickey Thomas v Liverpool
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Post by lennythegoose on Sept 11, 2024 11:55:34 GMT
Dammit, and my avatar of course. How could I overlook Warey?
Top 5 it is then.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 11, 2024 11:57:09 GMT
I think Stefan T at Charlton deserves a big mention. What a hit that baby was
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Sept 11, 2024 12:02:28 GMT
My main issue with it is that managers are playing this kind of football to audition for bigger roles, rather than doing what is best for their teams.
If you are one of the better teams in a division then it makes perfect sense. You play passing football and try to make it a game in which the best team wins. Even if you are an Arsenal or a Liverpool playing a Man City, you carry on playing the way you are used to because it’s more likely you win that way than if you suddenly try to replicate Stoke City from the 08/09 season. (You might only have a 40% chance of winning say, but it’s probably going to be less than that if you start getting the left back to punt the ball to Mo Salah’s head)
However, up until quite recently the worse your squad was the more you adapted your play. You tried to change the game away from one where the winner is very likely to be the club with the bigger cheque book.
I think Kompany is the best example of this. Did he really think he was giving Burnley their best chance of staying up by playing in that style? Or was he just showing he knew how to coach the kind of football that works well for big clubs?
I find it hard to believe the MBA holding ex Belgium captain was being naive.
But seeing the way David Moyes gets treated despite him being hard to match results wise for the non-massive teams… I’m not so sure I can blame modern managers too much for doing what they do! Other than Frank at Brentford I’m hard pressed to see anyone willing to go away from the ‘accepted’ style of play even a little bit.
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Post by scfcnicholas on Sept 11, 2024 12:20:47 GMT
My top 3: Steino v Rotherham Brammer v Luton (?) Beest v Telford away Griffin v Coventry |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 11, 2024 12:30:41 GMT
i used to know one , god she was loud …. oh hang on , wrong kind of screamer 🤦♂️
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Post by Ron on Sept 11, 2024 12:46:10 GMT
My top 3: Steino v Rotherham Brammer v Luton (?) Beest v Telford away Griffin v Coventry brammer v Luton (?) , wilmot v pne. Arnie v united |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Sept 11, 2024 13:10:57 GMT
Pressing has always been a thing in the game though The way pressing is triggered has changed a lot though, football used to be just press at all times Now it's a lot more nuanced your only pressing off indicators/triggers I don’t think that’s true. Watch any old football, the amount of time the defenders had if they were bringing the ball out is ridiculous, they were barely put under any pressure at all. And short goal kicks were almost unheard of. High pressing is a radical change. High pressing as a team maybe, but every team had one nutter who would do a single man press on any defence, Walters for us, Tevez and Rooney did a similar thing for united around that time Everyone plays very samey samey now, it's a part of the reason football has lost character |
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