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Post by cotswoldstokie on Sept 2, 2024 6:24:54 GMT
Stoke have gone nine league and cup games without a draw. Plus six friendlies, of the 15 games without a draw only one team has failed to win after scoring first - Crewe 2-1 win from 0-1 down. 🤔
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Post by lordb on Sept 2, 2024 7:25:30 GMT
Boskamp didn't do draws eithe and didn't Blackburn go on some mental no draw run couple of years ago?
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Post by Gods on Sept 2, 2024 7:45:03 GMT
I had to look it up.
1981 was the year 3 points for a win came in and so for the first time in history not all games carried the same number of points.
You still occasionally hear the term 'a share of the spoils' to describe a draw but the spoils are proportionately less than for a won game.
I get why they did it, but it kind of offends my sense of what is fair.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 2, 2024 7:47:57 GMT
That’s good I’m not keen on draws. Still think something should be done to stop the keep what we start off with mentality. A shootout for the only point or even both teams getting nothing from a goalless draw. Bonus points for scoring 4 or more in a game too to cut down on game management. The game doesn’t do anywhere near enough to change the mentality of the way teams approach games.
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Post by Northy on Sept 2, 2024 7:48:42 GMT
Oxford away is down for a draw then.
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Post by redstriper on Sept 2, 2024 7:52:13 GMT
on paper going without draws isn't a disaster in the league if you win half the games.... win-lose-win-lose is 69 points over a season, just shy of the play offs.
Must admit i like to watch us go for it rather than hanging on, which, whilst we might lose a few is a better policy given we are now stronger in attack. I hate it when your fastest (and usually fairly small) attacking players (eg million) are brought back to defend corners - it makes no sense.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 2, 2024 7:54:56 GMT
I had to look it up. 1981 was the year 3 points for a win came in and so for the first time in history not all games carried the same number of points. You still occasionally hear the term 'a share of the spoils' to describe a draw but the spoils are proportionately less than for a won game. I get what they did it, but it kind of offends my sense of what is fair. 43 years since and they haven’t done anything nearly so groundbreaking says to me a game too slow to make changes to try to improve the spectacle. I just can’t see why they don’t experiment more. If you change something and it doesn’t have the desired effect you can change it back or to something else the very next season, it’s not like it’s set in stone. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 2, 2024 12:46:07 GMT
I had to look it up. 1981 was the year 3 points for a win came in and so for the first time in history not all games carried the same number of points. You still occasionally hear the term 'a share of the spoils' to describe a draw but the spoils are proportionately less than for a won game. I get what they did it, but it kind of offends my sense of what is fair. 43 years since and they haven’t done anything nearly so groundbreaking says to me a game too slow to make changes to try to improve the spectacle. I just can’t see why they don’t experiment more. If you change something and it doesn’t have the desired effect you can change it back or to something else the very next season, it’s not like it’s set in stone. Amazed the Premier League haven't introduced 100 points for a win and 33 points for a draw. Just to jazz it up a bit. |
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Post by skip on Sept 2, 2024 13:30:14 GMT
43 years since and they haven’t done anything nearly so groundbreaking says to me a game too slow to make changes to try to improve the spectacle. I just can’t see why they don’t experiment more. If you change something and it doesn’t have the desired effect you can change it back or to something else the very next season, it’s not like it’s set in stone. Amazed the Premier League haven't introduced 100 points for a win and 33 points for a draw. Just to jazz it up a bit. Talking of the 1908s, I believe* when the US went soccer balls deep into football yet again, there was even talk of making the goals bigger to see higher scores in matches. *may have completely misremembered this. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 2, 2024 14:01:56 GMT
Amazed the Premier League haven't introduced 100 points for a win and 33 points for a draw. Just to jazz it up a bit. Talking of the 1908s, I believe* when the US went soccer balls deep into football yet again, there was even talk of making the goals bigger to see higher scores in matches. *may have completely misremembered this. The 1908s was quite a short era |
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Post by skip on Sept 2, 2024 14:02:54 GMT
Talking of the 1908s, I believe* when the US went soccer balls deep into football yet again, there was even talk of making the goals bigger to see higher scores in matches. *may have completely misremembered this. The 1908s was quite a short era ha ha. (Will not edit to correct). |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 2, 2024 17:51:07 GMT
43 years since and they haven’t done anything nearly so groundbreaking says to me a game too slow to make changes to try to improve the spectacle. I just can’t see why they don’t experiment more. If you change something and it doesn’t have the desired effect you can change it back or to something else the very next season, it’s not like it’s set in stone. Amazed the Premier League haven't introduced 100 points for a win and 33 points for a draw. Just to jazz it up a bit. Unfortunately those are the sort of changes that get made knobish ones that don't get to the heart of the problem and do as much as humanly possible to eradicate hold what I have mentality. It's not window dressing it's a genuine attempt to change the mindset of the game. Any sort of attempt to glorify or reward negative influences needs to be stamped upon. |
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Post by potters11 on Sept 2, 2024 18:00:14 GMT
Oxford away is down for a draw then. Wouldn’t be a bad point considering the start they’ve made to the season at home. |
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Post by mjg13x on Sept 2, 2024 18:05:40 GMT
Boskamp didn't do draws eithe and didn't Blackburn go on some mental no draw run couple of years ago? 22/23 Blackburn didn't draw any of their first 27 (W14 L13) |
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Post by stokefanone on Sept 2, 2024 18:15:58 GMT
Stoke have gone nine league and cup games without a draw. Plus six friendlies, of the 15 games without a draw only one team has failed to win after scoring first - Crewe 2-1 win from 0-1 down. 🤔 Won 7 of those! |
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Post by AlliG on Sept 2, 2024 18:20:29 GMT
Amazed the Premier League haven't introduced 100 points for a win and 33 points for a draw. Just to jazz it up a bit. Talking of the 1908s, I believe* when the US went soccer balls deep into football yet again, there was even talk of making the goals bigger to see higher scores in matches. *may have completely misremembered this. They did but never got round to doing it. They did introduce a 35 yard offside line and a hockey style penalty shoot out from 35 yards to do away with draws. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 2, 2024 19:03:05 GMT
Talking of the 1908s, I believe* when the US went soccer balls deep into football yet again, there was even talk of making the goals bigger to see higher scores in matches. *may have completely misremembered this. They did but never got round to doing it. They did introduce a 35 yard offside line and a hockey style penalty shoot out from 35 yards to do away with draws. There's footage available of the penalty shootouts and to be honest, it's miles better 😁 |
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Post by idle on Sept 3, 2024 8:52:54 GMT
Amazed the Premier League haven't introduced 100 points for a win and 33 points for a draw. Just to jazz it up a bit. Unfortunately those are the sort of changes that get made knobish ones that don't get to the heart of the problem and do as much as humanly possible to eradicate hold what I have mentality. It's not window dressing it's a genuine attempt to change the mindset of the game. Any sort of attempt to glorify or reward negative influences needs to be stamped upon. Only because you love attacking and hate defensive football. I like both, so better not to fix anything IMO. The 3p for a win already makes it neccessary for the top teams to attack, but 1p for a draw could be enough for teams struggling near the bottom. It evens the field, so to speak. One of the main features of football is the relatively low scoring games. I think 9-3 games are ridiculous and 6-0 games are pathetically boring as they have no suspense at all after the third goal. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 3, 2024 15:29:02 GMT
Unfortunately those are the sort of changes that get made knobish ones that don't get to the heart of the problem and do as much as humanly possible to eradicate hold what I have mentality. It's not window dressing it's a genuine attempt to change the mindset of the game. Any sort of attempt to glorify or reward negative influences needs to be stamped upon. Only because you love attacking and hate defensive football. I like both, so better not to fix anything IMO. The 3p for a win already makes it neccessary for the top teams to attack, but 1p for a draw could be enough for teams struggling near the bottom. It evens the field, so to speak. One of the main features of football is the relatively low scoring games. I think 9-3 games are ridiculous and 6-0 games are pathetically boring as they have no suspense at all after the third goal. I don’t know if you’re like me but if so we aren’t what any changes would be aimed at. We go anyway whether the football played suits or not. In terms of attracting new support I thing more eventful football would be the key and even though there are lots of goals being scored I’m not sure the game is moving in the right direction. Heard it described as moments during the Euros and I think that’s a problem because in essence they’re saying x% of the games really aren’t worth watching so there’s more to it that creating an environment that encourages more goals even though that would help. It’s getting teams going at one another hammer and tongues instead of the safety first crap a lot of them churn out. |
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