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Post by mamathestriker on Aug 25, 2024 8:26:53 GMT
I'm starting to worry this is actually a thing. Do we have an antidote?
Even during the TP years, he often brain farted. Playing Huth, Shawcross and Woodgate at full back and thinking Shotton was an answer up front.
Mark Hughes really came down with this disease during his last 18 months here, ripping up a winning formula and buying lots of tat. See Diouf at right wing back as an example, and spending the Arnie money on Kevin Wimmer (weeps here in particular).
Along came a steady Championship manager, Gary Rowett, who spunked £50m on the likes of average crap like James McClean, turned on the fans and alienated Bojan and seemingly everyone at the club. Just as things were picking up.
Nathan Jones next. Who preached about athletes and high energy, along with his fabled diamond formation, and then bought Lee Gregory and Stephen Ward, and put Clucas on the wing. Then panicked and literally looked like he was having a nervous breakdown here.
MoN's turn. Did a brilliant job keeping us up, found a winning formula and finally it looked like he was the one. Then crapped himself, reverted to 3 at the back at any given opportunity and on we went with some really turgid stuff. Bizarre!
Alex Neil should have been a great appointment. He knew the league, built a robust Preston side who mostly challenged at the top half of the table and seemed to fit what we needed. What we got was a manager who was meek, didn't have a clue who to sign and it just felt like the job was too big for him.
SS arrived all bright eyed. He currently looks like he needs a holiday and his last few interviews he appears paranoid. Please stop this inverted full back crap, and this Gooch "experiment" out wide. He so far is overcomplicating everything.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 25, 2024 9:09:47 GMT
Best post today . Spot on . SS seems to be a more likeable version of AN in the sense that he over analyses everything
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Post by premieraj on Aug 25, 2024 9:11:48 GMT
Best post today . Spot on . SS seems to be a more likeable version of AN in the sense that he over analyses everything Yes you couldn’t write it could you but he has😃. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 25, 2024 10:33:54 GMT
SS does over complicate things.
Football is a simple game,you pick players to defend to try and stop the other team from scoring,your midfield players are the most skillful get the ball to the forward players who should be good enough to put the ball in the net more often than not.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2024 11:35:12 GMT
We beat Coventry who personally think are a better side than West Brom
Why complicate things v a side like West Brom? Made it easier for them.
Simply overthinking it when no need to
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 26, 2024 11:50:00 GMT
Great post tbf🔴⚪️
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 26, 2024 11:51:27 GMT
We beat Coventry who personally think are a better side than West Brom Why complicate things v a side like West Brom? Made it easier for them. Simply overthinking it when no need to Yeah, I think he needs to stick to his principles, be brave and forge ahead. The problem is they are all thinking about the next job and don't want any stains on their CV so inevitably end up getting too cautious and as many above have said start to over think and therefore over complicate things. The crowd and players were scratching their heads on Saturday. I couldn't work out what was going on from each 5 mins to the next. The players need simple instructions and to just concentrate on doing those simple things well. It's very early days, we have a good win in the bank. The last 2 have been disappointing of course. But despite the very shaky performance on Saturday we did score a brilliant goal. Lets not forget that. And 2 other very good goals nearly came off as well. But he has to be brave and stick with what he knows. Lets play on the front foot and aye probably take a few beatings but if he can get us winning a decent amount of games it'll start to come together. Let see how its looking after 10 games. Well have a better idea then. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2024 11:53:54 GMT
We beat Coventry who personally think are a better side than West Brom Why complicate things v a side like West Brom? Made it easier for them. Simply overthinking it when no need to Yeah, I think he needs to stick to his principles, be brave and forge ahead. The problem is they are all thinking about the next job and don't want any stains on their CV so inevitably end up getting too cautious and as many above have said start to over think and therefore over complicate things. The crowd and players were scratching their heads on Saturday. I couldn't work out what was going on from each 5 mins to the next. The players need simple instructions and to just concentrate on doing those simple things well. It's very early days, we have a good win in the bank. The last 2 have been disappointing of course. But despite the very shaky performance on Saturday we did score a brilliant goal. Lets not forget that. And 2 other very good goals nearly came off as well. But he has to be brave and stick with what he knows. Lets play on the front foot and aye probably take a few beatings but if he can get us winning a decent amount of games it'll start to come together. Let see how its looking after 10 games. Well have a better idea then. Yep but we gave an average West Brom midfield the freedom of the centre of the park which lost us the game ...we had plenty to beat them but handed it on a plate for me |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 26, 2024 11:55:38 GMT
Say it every season, it’s easy to get out of this league with square pegs etc
Look at Ipswich. Just a well organised, functioning team playing 4-2-3-1.
I actually thought West Brom looked really good. Strong, athletic, a bit of skill in the right places.
Lawal and Phillips need to add some height and athleticism to our team. Burger needs to grow up, I haven’t got much hope for Laurent anymore.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 26, 2024 12:04:07 GMT
Yeah, I think he needs to stick to his principles, be brave and forge ahead. The problem is they are all thinking about the next job and don't want any stains on their CV so inevitably end up getting too cautious and as many above have said start to over think and therefore over complicate things. The crowd and players were scratching their heads on Saturday. I couldn't work out what was going on from each 5 mins to the next. The players need simple instructions and to just concentrate on doing those simple things well. It's very early days, we have a good win in the bank. The last 2 have been disappointing of course. But despite the very shaky performance on Saturday we did score a brilliant goal. Lets not forget that. And 2 other very good goals nearly came off as well. But he has to be brave and stick with what he knows. Lets play on the front foot and aye probably take a few beatings but if he can get us winning a decent amount of games it'll start to come together. Let see how its looking after 10 games. Well have a better idea then. Yep but we gave an average West Brom midfield the freedom of the centre of the park which lost us the game ...we had plenty to beat them but handed it on a plate for me Yeah he shit the bed a bit on Saturday. Pressure of a localish home derby coming off the back of a 3 nil beating at Watford and not wanting to fuck it up in front of an expectant home crowd. He's got to stick to what he's comfortable with and get the players drilled into it and take it to teams. He's got to believe in himself first and the players will follow him and momentum will build. And the players who don't buy into it can feck off 🙂 |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 26, 2024 12:04:21 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 26, 2024 16:12:21 GMT
With the early ones there was pressure and a small margin for error with a difficult situation of a bloated squad. We’re past that now and the fans aren’t expecting anything spectacular, we just want to stop losing at home so much.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 26, 2024 16:16:57 GMT
Thought the same regarding his comment on three chasing one attacker for their goal. Shite structure |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2024 16:27:41 GMT
It's the Oatcakes...
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 26, 2024 16:29:44 GMT
We looked so good back end of last session, yet we seem to have regressed and it all looks very scattergun. As someone said after Saturday, we have about 5 coaches, yet look so disorganised..
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 16:36:14 GMT
We looked so good back end of last session, yet we seem to have regressed and it all looks very scattergun. As someone said after Saturday, we have about 5 coaches, yet look so disorganised.. Let’s not forget he (SS) struggled to impose his style on the players shortly after joining before we had that fine end to the season playing his kind of football. We have to assume those players are still in the building and players that were important at the end of the season are no longer here. It’s like he’ll have to fight that battle all over again. I like him, I really like his high risk high reward mindset but I don’t think he’s using the players he has to their best effect. Why he hasn’t got the players to play his way is a whole other debate that’s ongoing on numerous threads. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 16:56:10 GMT
Not sure what happens to them but think the thing that they’re just shit choices is a nonsense. I think all of our last three manager/HC’s have had us playing some of the best football in the division for short periods, so why can’t they sustain it. The truth will in part be because despite all the hype about how much money they’ve had to spend both of our previous two managers tenure saw them have a negative net spend and vastly reduced wage bill. Of course it was necessary but that mitigation never seems to be taken into consideration.
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Post by threepoints on Aug 26, 2024 17:58:44 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 26, 2024 18:52:09 GMT
SCMBFD is a crippling condition that affects 1 in every two hundred thousand people, and 100% of Stoke City managers... please give generously...
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2024 19:58:45 GMT
He made good points on Saturday but most was blatantly obvious even to us non legends watching. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 27, 2024 7:48:10 GMT
Pejic is often as incoherent as Saturday’s performance, but he’s got it spot on this time. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 27, 2024 7:49:47 GMT
The opening post is spot on too.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 27, 2024 8:14:01 GMT
He made good points on Saturday but most was blatantly obvious even to us non legends watching. We started the game with exactly the same vulnerability that had been exposed by Watford and seemed to have done absolutely Jack shit to combat that glaring weakness down both sides of our own box. There’s no doubt it was an absolute shit show and that most of the responsibility for it lies at Schu’s door. If you’re going to play a deep lying midfielder like Thompson who can drop in with the CB’s there is no need for the FB’s to tuck in and defend so narrow or play so high up the pitch. Why not just do that? He (Thompson) offers the square root of fuck all else. You might as well make use of what he can offer if you’re determined to play him. |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Aug 27, 2024 8:41:06 GMT
I've thought about this post more and more and it is spot on. What on earth happens to our managers? They have a bit of success (relative) and abandon it after brain farther or complete over analysis.
Mon kept talk about data and the best way to go up was by total football rather than the tools he had at his disposal.
SS continually says, we don't want to play like that when referencing a direct approach which provided a cracking run of results and staved off relegation.
Strange isnt
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Post by baconburger on Aug 27, 2024 8:49:22 GMT
I've thought about this post more and more and it is spot on. What on earth happens to our managers? They have a bit of success (relative) and abandon it after brain farther or complete over analysis. Mon kept talk about data and the best way to go up was by total football rather than the tools he had at his disposal. SS continually says, we don't want to play like that when referencing a direct approach which provided a cracking run of results and staved off relegation. Strange ins it It just didn’t produce a cracking run of results at all. If you take away the games from Plymouth at home where Schu reverted away from the risk adverse percentage football we’d been playing upto that point since dropping into the bottom 3 the results were at best mediocre and just barely enough to get out of the bottom 3 and in no way safe without those last three wins playing a completely different style of football. |
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Post by innocentbystander on Aug 27, 2024 11:19:17 GMT
Our managers get five year contracts for a really tough job.
They soon realise that they can get five years money for 12 - 18 months.
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Post by mamathestriker on Aug 27, 2024 11:22:49 GMT
I've thought about this post more and more and it is spot on. What on earth happens to our managers? They have a bit of success (relative) and abandon it after brain farther or complete over analysis. Mon kept talk about data and the best way to go up was by total football rather than the tools he had at his disposal. SS continually says, we don't want to play like that when referencing a direct approach which provided a cracking run of results and staved off relegation. Strange isnt Even TP did it. We've had managers find winning formulas, Hughes, MoN and to some extent SS at the end of last season, only to rip it up and make us a much worse side. It's bizarre. |
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Post by noustie on Aug 27, 2024 11:34:29 GMT
I get that it is a squad game and the Championship is a slog but when was the last time we knew our strongest XI and/or they were all fit?
There's too much tinkering goes on when pretty much the quality in the league is much of a muchness. Just get a settled system and play the best players for it then look to recruit better.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 27, 2024 12:03:28 GMT
I get that it is a squad game and the Championship is a slog but when was the last time we knew our strongest XI and/or they were all fit? There's too much tinkering goes on when pretty much the quality in the league is much of a muchness. Just get a settled system and play the best players for it then look to recruit better. Worked for Luton |
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