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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 9:28:02 GMT
What's her problem? She's had to wait for NHS appointments and surgery, the same as the rest of the UK population? What a fucking non-story. Unless The Guardian is planning on publishing every story of every person who has had to wait for appointments and also not had their employer pay for them to go private. In his most recent interview Walters did briefly mention they've brought in Insurance for the Women's team this year, so it is something they've addressed as part of ongoing development. These things don't happen overnight. Abby is in the same boat as millions of others. It is what it is. If you've been injured at work even if your employer doesn't pay you to go private then you don't expect them to terminate your contract while you're unable to work. If your employer did that to you I'd imagine you'd have 'a problem'. Her contract wasn't renewed. That's a part of the game, ruthless or not. Again, are the media going to start printing all stories of where this has happened to others? No doubt she got full pay for the entire time she was injured. A luxury most others don't have the privilege of. |
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Post by frasier37 on Aug 18, 2024 9:30:13 GMT
What's her problem? She's had to wait for NHS appointments and surgery, the same as the rest of the UK population? What a fucking non-story. Unless The Guardian is planning on publishing every story of every person who has had to wait for appointments and also not had their employer pay for them to go private. In his most recent interview Walters did briefly mention they've brought in Insurance for the Women's team this year, so it is something they've addressed as part of ongoing development. These things don't happen overnight. Abby is in the same boat as millions of others. It is what it is. Yeh, why aren't they just driving across the country after work and giving blood sweat and tears just to wear the red and white stripes of a billionaire who gives not a fuck!  |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 18, 2024 9:31:40 GMT
Loads of stories littered around football like this, plenty of men as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 9:32:34 GMT
If you've been injured at work even if your employer doesn't pay you to go private then you don't expect them to terminate your contract while you're unable to work. If your employer did that to you I'd imagine you'd have 'a problem'. Her contract wasn't renewed. That's a part of the game, ruthless or not. Again, are the media going to start printing all stories of where this has happened to others? No doubt she got full pay for the entire time she was injured. A luxury most others don't have the privilege of. There’s been loads of instances in the men’s game where a club carries on the treatment for a player who got injured and is then released. The whole thing stinks. And I was genuinely surprised we don’t cover them for when they get injured. I just presumed as a professional club we would do that for every player under our umbrella, male or female. And I’m not someone who thinks women’s footballers should be paid equally to men, I think that’s market demand etc. But this is very basic. Or at least should be. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 9:33:25 GMT
Her contract wasn't renewed. That's a part of the game, ruthless or not. Again, are the media going to start printing all stories of where this has happened to others? No doubt she got full pay for the entire time she was injured. A luxury most others don't have the privilege of. There’s been loads of instances in the men’s game where a club carries on the treatment for a player who got injured and is then released. The whole thing stinks. And I was genuinely surprised we don’t cover them for when they get injured. I just presumed as a professional club we would do that for every player under our umbrella, male or female. And I’m not someone who thinks women’s footballers should be paid equally to men, I think that’s market demand etc. But this is very basic. Or at least should be. We've introduced insurance for the Women's team this season. |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 18, 2024 9:35:53 GMT
As a stoke fan I don't really like the story and I don't share your view That's fair enough. We're not a charity though, we're a business. We're not going to throw huge amounts of money at a Division of the Business that returns very little. That's just common sense. It's not exactly a nice story to read but she's not alone in having to wait for NHS treatment and not having their employer pay for them to go private. However as a club we should then question whether we should have such a division. If the intention is not to invest in it that's fine, but as soon as you put the club badge on it and the stoke name you open yourself to these stories. If we are going to do it, it should be done properly. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 9:39:38 GMT
There’s been loads of instances in the men’s game where a club carries on the treatment for a player who got injured and is then released. The whole thing stinks. And I was genuinely surprised we don’t cover them for when they get injured. I just presumed as a professional club we would do that for every player under our umbrella, male or female. And I’m not someone who thinks women’s footballers should be paid equally to men, I think that’s market demand etc. But this is very basic. Or at least should be. We've introduced insurance for the Women's team this season. Because of a series of stories outing the club as being terrible. It’s not how it should work. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 9:41:40 GMT
We've introduced insurance for the Women's team this season. Because of a series of stories outing the club as being terrible. It’s not how it should work. You call it terrible. I call it sensible. Opinions, hey. We're a business, not a charity. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 9:43:40 GMT
Be interesting to see the details of her contract too.
If we made it clear that insurance wasn't included when she signed her contract (which I safely assume we did) then she went into it eyes wide open.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 18, 2024 9:44:45 GMT
If you've been injured at work even if your employer doesn't pay you to go private then you don't expect them to terminate your contract while you're unable to work. If your employer did that to you I'd imagine you'd have 'a problem'. Her contract wasn't renewed. That's a part of the game, ruthless or not. Again, are the media going to start printing all stories of where this has happened to others? No doubt she got full pay for the entire time she was injured. A luxury most others don't have the privilege of. If it's happening elsewhere with womens teams associated with nale professional clubs then they should start printing them. Why not? You're making assumptions about how much and for how long she was paid. What's not an assumption is that the cost of an MRI scan is a drop in the ocean to what the club have paid the likes of Neil, O'Neill, Jones, and Rowett in compensation or written off for the likes of Afobe or Wimmer and shows the club in an extremely poor light. It's also not the first example of it's kind from Stoke. If you want to be a professionally run organisation - and Coates has stated that's what he wants the womens team to be that- then it's a basic requirement to show a duty of care to those representing you. If the girl's story is true the club have failed abjectly and shame on them for that. If it's not true they should refute it in the public domain. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 9:49:46 GMT
Her contract wasn't renewed. That's a part of the game, ruthless or not. Again, are the media going to start printing all stories of where this has happened to others? No doubt she got full pay for the entire time she was injured. A luxury most others don't have the privilege of. If it's happening elsewhere with womens teams associated with nale professional clubs then they should start printing them. Why not? You're making assumptions about how much and for how long she was paid. What's not an assumption is that the cost of an MRI scan is a drop in the ocean to what the club have paid the likes of Neil, O'Neill, Jones, and Rowett in compensation or written off for the likes of Afobe or Wimmer and shows the club in an extremely poor light. It's also not the first example of it's kind from Stoke. If you want to be a professionally run organisation - and Coates has stated that's what he wants the womens team to be that- then it's a basic requirement to show a duty of care to those representing you. If the girl's story is true the club have failed abjectly and shame on them for that. If it's not true they should refute it in the public domain. I imagine elements of the story are true. The women's team previously had no insurance as part of the contracts. So having to wait for NHS appointments and surgeries etc is all no doubt true. Same as most of the UK public has to put up with. There will be a significant cost to the Club to cover all players for injuries and treatment etc. If that cost is higher than the return we're making on the Women's team in terms of ticket sales and advertisement etc then it doesn't make any business sense to do it. Walters has confirmed they have introduced insurance this season though, as part of longer term development. It needs to pay for itself though. It needs to make business sense. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 18, 2024 9:54:50 GMT
If it's happening elsewhere with womens teams associated with nale professional clubs then they should start printing them. Why not? You're making assumptions about how much and for how long she was paid. What's not an assumption is that the cost of an MRI scan is a drop in the ocean to what the club have paid the likes of Neil, O'Neill, Jones, and Rowett in compensation or written off for the likes of Afobe or Wimmer and shows the club in an extremely poor light. It's also not the first example of it's kind from Stoke. If you want to be a professionally run organisation - and Coates has stated that's what he wants the womens team to be that- then it's a basic requirement to show a duty of care to those representing you. If the girl's story is true the club have failed abjectly and shame on them for that. If it's not true they should refute it in the public domain. I imagine elements of the story are true. The women's team previously had no insurance as part of the contracts. So having to wait for NHS appointments and surgeries etc is all no doubt true. Same as most of the UK public has to put up with. There will be a significant cost to the Club to cover all players for injuries and treatment etc. If that cost is higher than the return we're making on the Women's team in terms of ticket sales and advertisement etc then it doesn't make any business sense to do it. Walters has confirmed they have introduced insurance this season though, as part of longer term development. It needs to pay for itself though. It needs to make business sense. Why does it need to pay for itself? The men's team doesn't. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 9:56:41 GMT
I imagine elements of the story are true. The women's team previously had no insurance as part of the contracts. So having to wait for NHS appointments and surgeries etc is all no doubt true. Same as most of the UK public has to put up with. There will be a significant cost to the Club to cover all players for injuries and treatment etc. If that cost is higher than the return we're making on the Women's team in terms of ticket sales and advertisement etc then it doesn't make any business sense to do it. Walters has confirmed they have introduced insurance this season though, as part of longer term development. It needs to pay for itself though. It needs to make business sense. Why does it need to pay for itself? The men's team doesn't. 🤣 130m wiped off in debt that was created in 3/4 years? Shut them down, it doesn’t make business sense. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 9:59:54 GMT
I imagine elements of the story are true. The women's team previously had no insurance as part of the contracts. So having to wait for NHS appointments and surgeries etc is all no doubt true. Same as most of the UK public has to put up with. There will be a significant cost to the Club to cover all players for injuries and treatment etc. If that cost is higher than the return we're making on the Women's team in terms of ticket sales and advertisement etc then it doesn't make any business sense to do it. Walters has confirmed they have introduced insurance this season though, as part of longer term development. It needs to pay for itself though. It needs to make business sense. Why does it need to pay for itself? The men's team doesn't. Because that's how you run a Business. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 18, 2024 10:02:34 GMT
It's the blame culture. Rather than take reposibility people look for others to blame. A very sad story the other day about a child who had an allergic reaction to milk which had been used in the same jug that her soy milk was heated in. Yes the cafe were wrong but it transpires that despite this severe allergy neither she nor her mum had an epipen with them
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 18, 2024 10:02:45 GMT
Why does it need to pay for itself? The men's team doesn't. Because that's how you run a Business. So the men's team can lose millions as a business and we treat the players like overpaid show ponies, the women's team can lose a few grand and we treat them like shit? I think you've just made the Guardian's point for them. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2024 10:12:20 GMT
Why does it need to pay for itself? The men's team doesn't. Because that's how you run a Business. So we should shut the men’s team down then? |
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Post by metalhead on Aug 18, 2024 10:28:42 GMT
If that story is true, it's fucking horrifying.
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 11:42:35 GMT
Because that's how you run a Business. So the men's team can lose millions as a business and we treat the players like overpaid show ponies, the women's team can lose a few grand and we treat them like shit? I think you've just made the Guardian's point for them. There's very little interest in the women's game if we're being honest. Which means very little revenue is generated. That's the bottom line. It's all business related. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 18, 2024 12:47:48 GMT
So the men's team can lose millions as a business and we treat the players like overpaid show ponies, the women's team can lose a few grand and we treat them like shit? I think you've just made the Guardian's point for them. There's very little interest in the women's game if we're being honest. Which means very little revenue is generated. That's the bottom line. It's all business related. Low revenues are no excuse for exploitative employment when it would be easily affordable in the wider context of the club's finances to look after them a little better. |
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Aug 18, 2024 13:36:24 GMT
Never understood why professional football clubs would want to run a womens team as well.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 18, 2024 13:44:01 GMT
If it's happening elsewhere with womens teams associated with nale professional clubs then they should start printing them. Why not? You're making assumptions about how much and for how long she was paid. What's not an assumption is that the cost of an MRI scan is a drop in the ocean to what the club have paid the likes of Neil, O'Neill, Jones, and Rowett in compensation or written off for the likes of Afobe or Wimmer and shows the club in an extremely poor light. It's also not the first example of it's kind from Stoke. If you want to be a professionally run organisation - and Coates has stated that's what he wants the womens team to be that- then it's a basic requirement to show a duty of care to those representing you. If the girl's story is true the club have failed abjectly and shame on them for that. If it's not true they should refute it in the public domain. I imagine elements of the story are true. The women's team previously had no insurance as part of the contracts. So having to wait for NHS appointments and surgeries etc is all no doubt true. Same as most of the UK public has to put up with. There will be a significant cost to the Club to cover all players for injuries and treatment etc. If that cost is higher than the return we're making on the Women's team in terms of ticket sales and advertisement etc then it doesn't make any business sense to do it.Walters has confirmed they have introduced insurance this season though, as part of longer term development. It needs to pay for itself though. It needs to make business sense.The men's team doesn't pay for itself though does it? The Oatcake is full of talk of how much can we spend on players while still being within the limit of the maximum amount of money we're allowed to lose. It seems that John Coates wants to put his own money into the club in order to try to make it a success on the field. If the women's team wear the badge and are also a part of the club why should we expect them to pay for themselves when we don't expect the men's team to pay for themselves? |
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Post by stantheman on Aug 18, 2024 13:52:04 GMT
Because that's how you run a Business. So we should shut the men’s team down then? If we did, would it shut you up? |
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Post by davethebass on Aug 18, 2024 13:52:21 GMT
So the men's team can lose millions as a business and we treat the players like overpaid show ponies, the women's team can lose a few grand and we treat them like shit? I think you've just made the Guardian's point for them. There's very little interest in the women's game if we're being honest. Which means very little revenue is generated. That's the bottom line. It's all business related. By that token you could say there's little interest in the men's game too, or at the least not enough interest, because the revenue generated is not enough to break even, they make a loss. |
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Post by pavel on Aug 18, 2024 13:58:23 GMT
I imagine elements of the story are true. The women's team previously had no insurance as part of the contracts. So having to wait for NHS appointments and surgeries etc is all no doubt true. Same as most of the UK public has to put up with. There will be a significant cost to the Club to cover all players for injuries and treatment etc. If that cost is higher than the return we're making on the Women's team in terms of ticket sales and advertisement etc then it doesn't make any business sense to do it. Walters has confirmed they have introduced insurance this season though, as part of longer term development. It needs to pay for itself though. It needs to make business sense. Why does it need to pay for itself? The men's team doesn't. Absolutely most men’s teams don’t. |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 14:53:11 GMT
There's very little interest in the women's game if we're being honest. Which means very little revenue is generated. That's the bottom line. It's all business related. Low revenues are no excuse for exploitative employment when it would be easily affordable in the wider context of the club's finances to look after them a little better. It isn't an excuse. An "excuse" would infer the club has done something wrong. It hasn't. It's just business. And there's very little interest or revenue in the women's game. That's the bottom line. This board itself, The Oatcake, is a Stoke City board. It isn't strictly for the men's 1st team. It covers the club as a whole, the youth and academy teams and the women's team. How many posts or threads do you see on the women's team? How many have you made, outside of this thread? The reality is, there's very little interest in it. That's not sexist. It's just the reality. I'm sure all the women who signed contracts were made aware that insurance wasn't a part of the contract. There's no exploitation. It is what it is. It's a non story. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 18, 2024 15:10:27 GMT
Why does it need to pay for itself? The men's team doesn't. Because that's how you run a Business.  |
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Post by frasier37 on Aug 18, 2024 15:12:31 GMT
Low revenues are no excuse for exploitative employment when it would be easily affordable in the wider context of the club's finances to look after them a little better. It isn't an excuse. An "excuse" would infer the club has done something wrong. It hasn't. It's just business. And there's very little interest or revenue in the women's game. That's the bottom line. This board itself, The Oatcake, is a Stoke City board. It isn't strictly for the men's 1st team. It covers the club as a whole, the youth and academy teams and the women's team. How many posts or threads do you see on the women's team? How many have you made, outside of this thread? The reality is, there's very little interest in it. That's not sexist. It's just the reality. I'm sure all the women who signed contracts were made aware that insurance wasn't a part of the contract. There's no exploitation. It is what it is. It's a non story. Apart from stoke city probably courted this player to sign for them. Then when they find the girl gets a potentially career ending injury wearing Bet365 red and white top one night it's.....Abby who? Altho what more do you expect from a betting companies that exploits the vulnerable minded Seems, luckily they were shamed into atleast half supporting her |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 18, 2024 15:14:57 GMT
It isn't an excuse. An "excuse" would infer the club has done something wrong. It hasn't. It's just business. And there's very little interest or revenue in the women's game. That's the bottom line. This board itself, The Oatcake, is a Stoke City board. It isn't strictly for the men's 1st team. It covers the club as a whole, the youth and academy teams and the women's team. How many posts or threads do you see on the women's team? How many have you made, outside of this thread? The reality is, there's very little interest in it. That's not sexist. It's just the reality. I'm sure all the women who signed contracts were made aware that insurance wasn't a part of the contract. There's no exploitation. It is what it is. It's a non story. Apart from stoke city probably courted this player to sign for them. Then when they find the girl gets a potentially career ending injury wearing Bet365 red and white top one night it's.....Abby who? Altho what more do you expect from a betting companies that exploits the vulnerable minded Seems, luckily they were shamed into atleast half supporting her When Rory Delap broke his leg we stuck by him and honoured our contract offer. Was that the same Bet365 company you refer to? It's a non-story that people are for some reason trying to make an issue out of. The player is obviously pissed off and gone moaning to the media. That's their perogative but the club has done nothing wrong. |
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Post by frasier37 on Aug 18, 2024 15:23:09 GMT
Apart from stoke city probably courted this player to sign for them. Then when they find the girl gets a potentially career ending injury wearing Bet365 red and white top one night it's.....Abby who? Altho what more do you expect from a betting companies that exploits the vulnerable minded Seems, luckily they were shamed into atleast half supporting her When Rory Delap broke his leg we stuck by him and honoured our contract offer. Was that the same Bet365 company you refer to? It's a non-story that people are for some reason trying to make an issue out of. The player is obviously pissed off and gone moaning to the media. That's their perogative but the club has done nothing wrong. Legally no they haven't |
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