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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 17, 2024 18:55:15 GMT
5 from me started fine but didn't really react when the team started to get out muscled, subs could have been earlier IMO. We looked a bit naive allowing the Watford wide men dictate and left huge gaps for them which we were slow to react to. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 17, 2024 18:59:15 GMT
5 from me started fine but didn't really react when the team started to get out muscled, subs could have been earlier IMO. We looked a bit naive allowing the Watford wide men dictate and left huge gaps for them which we were slow to react to. Gouranga. 5 too. Injuries are dictating a lot of his decisions at the moment. I’d suggest half the bench weren’t match fit so he wasn’t keen to bring them on earlier and risk them being out for longer. The inverted fullback was sussed second half and he didn’t adjust the tactics to make us more solid. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 17, 2024 19:04:10 GMT
4 - the lack of reaction both tactically and with substitutions was horrible to watch. As soon as they threw on a naturally left footed wingback it was obvious we had to counter that and we simply didn't.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 17, 2024 19:05:36 GMT
5
Line up was fine, but didn't react quickly enough in the second half.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 17, 2024 19:08:30 GMT
1st Half 5
2nd.Half -5
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 17, 2024 19:26:58 GMT
5, half and half on this!!!
1st half started well, finish with us hanging on...
Not sure what was said in our changing room, at half time, but the 2nd half was abysmal... Watford manager (or 1st team coach 🙄) obviously got the better of the half time team talks!!!
Looking at our team, we may have youth and energy, but we don't have enough strength, we're so easily knocked off the ball!!!
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Post by fca47 on Aug 17, 2024 19:59:46 GMT
6 - Was looking fine at halftime, to be fair to concede two in so short a time meant he couldn't really change before it got worse. The worse thing was that we looked like a rabble after and lost all discipline
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 20:02:59 GMT
First half 7
Second half 3
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Aug 18, 2024 9:12:15 GMT
Worth a 5, the worrying thing is the Watford manager sussed us out and will not be missed by the baggies!
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 18, 2024 9:26:32 GMT
5 Line up was fine, but didn't react quickly enough in the second half. Line up wasn’t fine though was it. I said before kick off that midfield doesn’t work and it showed. Gooch shouldn’t have start neither should either Laurent or burger should have been baker for balance. The result also shows this |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 18, 2024 9:38:52 GMT
5 Line up was fine, but didn't react quickly enough in the second half. Line up wasn’t fine though was it. I said before kick off that midfield doesn’t work and it showed. Gooch shouldn’t have start neither should either Laurent or burger should have been baker for balance. The result also shows this It was fine as in keeping a winning side together and the new lads only just walking through the door, there wasn't many other options, if any. Laurent, the player people have been raving about after the Cov game? Baker is shite, yes he has a quality shot on him but if he doesn't score, which would be most of the time, he's a hindrance. |
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Post by loustokiefc on Aug 18, 2024 9:41:54 GMT
1. For me that was one of his worst managerial displays so far. Didnt take a rocket scientist to see that Gooch and Burger HAD to be taken off at half time. From 25 minutes onwards we lacked energy. only made xhanges when the game was over. Reactive rather than proactive
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 18, 2024 9:48:14 GMT
Line up wasn’t fine though was it. I said before kick off that midfield doesn’t work and it showed. Gooch shouldn’t have start neither should either Laurent or burger should have been baker for balance. The result also shows this It was fine as in keeping a winning side together and the new lads only just walking through the door, there wasn't many other options, if any. Laurent, the player people have been raving about after the Cov game? Baker is shite, yes he has a quality shot on him but if he doesn't score, which would be most of the time, he's a hindrance. It was a winning side granted but 2 of those players on the bench were not available last week but were this week. Gooch is not good enough, although don’t mind Thompson he’s not good enough we are still playing players out of position this after the transfer window has been open for 2 months or so. Watford away is a totally different proposition to cov at home. Should play players in positions to our strengths. Now if your bar is bottom half that’s fine but mine is play offs or what the point |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 18, 2024 9:57:55 GMT
5
Thought we were decent if not toothless first half. I don't mind him keeping the same team but I wanted pro-active and not re-active subs.
Second half abysmal but more to individual mistakes and a decent Warford team.
I've got a feeling Watford are going be up there this year.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 18, 2024 10:58:38 GMT
5 didnt spot the game moving their way towards half time and Cleverly saw how to beat us and did, one of his big weaknesses is a failure to make early subs, match them up with three at the back at half time and put Koumas or Junho on to help cause them a problem might have worked better .
Also when they scored we were shocking for 20 mins or more , he needs to get a grip of how we react , hoped those days had gone
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 18, 2024 11:09:03 GMT
A 5 from me. I understand why he chose the same starting 11 as the 1st game but Watford were a much better side than Cov. They dominated the midfield and were a much slicker side than us. They were also much stronger physically and it showed after the first 20 mins. In mitigation, he's brought in some better players but they need time on the training ground to gel before starting them. It's certainly not the end of the world and I'm hoping for a better game against the Baggies.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 18, 2024 11:14:46 GMT
It was fine as in keeping a winning side together and the new lads only just walking through the door, there wasn't many other options, if any. Laurent, the player people have been raving about after the Cov game? Baker is shite, yes he has a quality shot on him but if he doesn't score, which would be most of the time, he's a hindrance. It was a winning side granted but 2 of those players on the bench were not available last week but were this week. Gooch is not good enough, although don’t mind Thompson he’s not good enough we are still playing players out of position this after the transfer window has been open for 2 months or so. Watford away is a totally different proposition to cov at home. Should play players in positions to our strengths. Now if your bar is bottom half that’s fine but mine is play offs or what the point My bar is top half, we need another massive revamp this season with yet another new manager/head coach or whatever, top half would be decent progress and a good base for next season. Depressing but we need to be realistic. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 18, 2024 11:49:14 GMT
4
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 18, 2024 11:52:43 GMT
5
You get nowhere in this league with kids, and that’s a fact. Swapping teenagers around up front and relying on players like Gooch out of position in a key forward area is asking for trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 11:53:34 GMT
Let's have a little more transparency shall we. We didn't just get beaten, we got embarrassed.
There's losing 1-0 to a corner and then there's yesterday which was a 3-0 loss (which could've been 6 or 7-0).
I'm often told my ratings are ridiculous here, but giving 5 & 6/10 for yesterday is beyond madness.
The positives: Set up the same team to give a bit of consistency. We rode our luck massively but managed to keep it 0-0 first half. The fullbacks were getting away with it but we were creating very very little, I'd probably call that 5/10 - surviving but second best.
The negatives: It's been said on here and by the commentators, that the tactics of the fullbacks leaving space was totally found out. SS did not and could not react to it. That is his job. Tezgal was completely bullied and isolated in the second half (I don't expect he's going to be plan A. going forward at the end of the window, but that doesn't excuse the lack of reaction tactically to an obvious problem) We created fuck all. The midfield didn't know what they were supposed to be doing.
Yesterday there was all sorts of jibes and taunts at people overreacting. I think there are some short memories here where the end of the season uptick is clouding the brush with relegation. How many opportunities to learn does SS need at our expense? And how many times will you all continue to excuse his ineptitude because we've changed managers so much. Calling people out for being sick of it is extreme arrogance and unfortunately what we saw yesterday is more typical of SS's time here than not, so why wouldn't people be instantly transported back to being fed up?
I don't and never have bought into SS, but I understand the need to give someone a prolonged period to have a real go at rebuilding and climbing the table. That shouldn't stop criticism, yesterday was a disgrace and I think he's getting a total free pass from everyone.
Just don't be a dick about it if people are totally fucked off.
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EDIT - As for an actual score - first half probably 5. Second half 0
Overall hard to look past a 2/10
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Post by stokeson on Aug 18, 2024 11:57:24 GMT
I had the Watford commentary on my stream and they were really impressed with us 1st half but mentioned when falling back into defence we pulled the wingbacks inside and left holes down the wing. Out they came second half down both wings 2 goals...
Sorry SS we were sussed out.
1st half 7
2nd half 4
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 18, 2024 12:16:22 GMT
SS needs to learn fast inverted fullbacks do not work with players who are not used to playing that way.
He did nothing to combat Watfords overload down the wings which totally destroyed us fair play to there manager.
We are also lacking a midfield general & a striker without either its going to be long hard season.
To sum up we got bullied & outplayed by a side which will probably be around mid table come the end of the season.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 18, 2024 12:31:01 GMT
5 from me started fine but didn't really react when the team started to get out muscled, subs could have been earlier IMO. We looked a bit naive allowing the Watford wide men dictate and left huge gaps for them which we were slow to react to. Gouranga. 5 too. Injuries are dictating a lot of his decisions at the moment. I’d suggest half the bench weren’t match fit so he wasn’t keen to bring them on earlier and risk them being out for longer. The inverted fullback was sussed second half and he didn’t adjust the tactics to make us more solid. Agree on injuries. I didn’t think the full backs were inverted just narrow out of possession because they had two up front. Without a third senior centre back I understand why he didn’t match their shape but once they got on tip in midfield we were done for. We need a senior RB and it may be Stevens at LB quite a lot. Attack with improve but midfield is the worry, totally outclassed. |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 18, 2024 13:05:42 GMT
5 You get nowhere in this league with kids, and that’s a fact. Swapping teenagers around up front and relying on players like Gooch out of position in a key forward area is asking for trouble. was Gooch out of position , he’s played half his games as a rw |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 18, 2024 13:10:16 GMT
5 You get nowhere in this league with kids, and that’s a fact. Swapping teenagers around up front and relying on players like Gooch out of position in a key forward area is asking for trouble. was Gooch out of position , he’s played half his games as a rw Yeah he played left wing |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 18, 2024 13:11:53 GMT
was Gooch out of position , he’s played half his games as a rw Yeah he played left wing right , ppl on here said he was rw or i misread it |
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Post by stokie1947 on Aug 18, 2024 13:18:43 GMT
5 made subs far too late
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 18, 2024 14:14:40 GMT
3
It took Watford 20 minutes to realise we were not going to cover either flank in defence.
Our midfield chased the ball around the pitch like puppies in the park.
Picked the wrong team and set us up for the wrong opposition.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 18, 2024 15:38:55 GMT
It was a winning side granted but 2 of those players on the bench were not available last week but were this week. Gooch is not good enough, although don’t mind Thompson he’s not good enough we are still playing players out of position this after the transfer window has been open for 2 months or so. Watford away is a totally different proposition to cov at home. Should play players in positions to our strengths. Now if your bar is bottom half that’s fine but mine is play offs or what the point My bar is top half, we need another massive revamp this season with yet another new manager/head coach or whatever, top half would be decent progress and a good base for next season. Depressing but we need to be realistic. Think your right there , maybe my bar is set to high but I just believe in whatever you do you aim as high as you can but with the current team it’s not going to happen. I just don’t believe how this club is run we will get where we want to be. |
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