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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 15, 2024 11:05:50 GMT
Perhaps we should be doing the same as Leeds and saying we're after one of their stars at a ridiculously low price too. If I was Million,I'd be insulted that the talk is that he is their second choice option.
It's probably all paper talk anyway. But it does have the effect of winding you up if it's one of ours, or a feel good factor if it's us after someone that will make a real difference. Just wish we were being mentioned with some real quality names.
I reckon it's a case of wait till the window closes and take it from there, with both ins and outs.
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Post by senojbor on Aug 15, 2024 22:54:47 GMT
There's a big fat NOT FOR SALE sign by the names of Bae and Manhoef. They are on long contracts and we don't need to sell at all If a player wants to move they generally get the move. Like who? |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 15, 2024 22:59:56 GMT
If a player wants to move they generally get the move. Like who? Jesus. How long have you got? |
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Post by Pottersfan on Aug 15, 2024 23:05:24 GMT
Shit bin
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Post by datguy on Aug 15, 2024 23:53:54 GMT
Odd thread.
Coventry and Blackburn have literally sold their ‘stars’.
Stoke haven’t sold anyone.
Couldn’t write it.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 16, 2024 6:21:36 GMT
Off the top of my head Coventry sold Gyokeres, and Blackburn sold Wharton in the last couple windows. Selling players for a profit is what we will need to do to make it back to the prem. If a big profit on one or two players can net us 5-6 decent signings we will be heading in the right direction. Coventry sold Hamer as well |
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Post by bettyswallox on Aug 16, 2024 12:14:19 GMT
I'm just grateful we have players who other clubs might feasibly be interested in for a change.
Means we're doing something right.
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Post by smiler_andy on Aug 16, 2024 17:08:40 GMT
Blackburn are a weird club to highlight. They screwed up royally by not cashing in big on Brereton when they had the chance and ended up having him leave on a free. If we’d done that you’d never hear the end of it on here. Szmodzics is also an unusual case as although he’s only really made a name for himself in the last year he’s 28 so doesn’t have the potential value of other breakthrough players so is less attractive to suitors, although there’s still every chance he’ll move this window. Szmodzics gone to Ipswich for around £10m and possible add ons. Everyone has their price. www.edp24.co.uk/sport/24523068.blackburn-lose-key-striker-szmodics-eve-city-clash/ |
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Post by hamsta2 on Aug 16, 2024 17:28:24 GMT
Blackburn are a weird club to highlight. They screwed up royally by not cashing in big on Brereton when they had the chance and ended up having him leave on a free. If we’d done that you’d never hear the end of it on here. Szmodzics is also an unusual case as although he’s only really made a name for himself in the last year he’s 28 so doesn’t have the potential value of other breakthrough players so is less attractive to suitors, although there’s still every chance he’ll move this window. Szmodzics gone to Ipswich for around £10m and possible add ons. Everyone has their price. www.edp24.co.uk/sport/24523068.blackburn-lose-key-striker-szmodics-eve-city-clash/ Yes they do ( have a price ). Tbf the £10m is a reasonable gamble for Ipshit. If he gets 8/9 goals and a few assists it may be enough to keep them up. Then again he may get zero/zero and they go down like a nun in a cucumber field. |
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Post by Stoke70 on Aug 16, 2024 18:40:57 GMT
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 16, 2024 18:47:00 GMT
How come the Blackburns and the Coventry's of this world seem to keep their stars strikers midfielders etc for two or three seasons before clubs come knocking, we have ours for half a season to a season and seems like every fucker wants them, does my nut in to be honest. Stop reading social media 👈 |
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 16, 2024 18:52:59 GMT
Sam Harrison is either a vale fan or a muppet. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 16, 2024 19:10:37 GMT
We haven't sold any of our best players, and nor will we. There have been a few transfer links and rumours, but that's pretty ordinary these days; the world of sports journalism is pretty saturated and the stories don't write themselves. It's not like in days gone by where if a club was informally scouting or keeping tabs on players, the papers might not hear about it until there was a solid link or a bid. These days, journalists are so well-connected that clubs are very leaky and they hear pretty much everything. Plus, you know, some stories will be rumours altogether with no credible legs at all. None of the stories mean Stoke will sell. And nor should we. We've signed a few players this summer, so it doesn't look like there is any financial pressure to sell. At this point in the window, I can't see us accepting anything other than astronomical bid or Bae, Burger or Manhoef; and I doubt any particularly clubs will put in any astronomical bids for players who've had one good season in the second division. Imho, it actually suits everybody (Stoke, any potential buyers, and the players themselves) to stay for at least one more season at a club where they are guaranteed regular fixtures and will develop than to move right now. I really don't get why people make out they're so certain about things they know absolutely nothing about?? We might sell someone we'd all like to keep, we might not. As long as we get a fair price if we do what's to complain about. People leave their place of employment every day, some after a long time, some after their first day. It's just bog standard life, shit happens. |
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Post by independent on Aug 16, 2024 21:55:13 GMT
Nobody gets to keep their stars. Not at this level. The best you can hope for is to hold on to them for as long as you can, and maximise the return when you do move them on. It's a sign you're doing things right when you have that problem. If you get it right longterm it's less of an issue. It should ideally be a conveyor belt. Rinse and repeat. Tell that to Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace ,Wolves,Fulham etc. They are all in the Prem for years and still lost their best players. Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite them, and little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Aug 16, 2024 22:11:57 GMT
I’ll tell you now, if we had Szmodics in the form he was in last season and then let him go for £10m only, Stoke fans would be having aneurisms and strokes all over the place.
He has only had 1 special season but £10m isn’t enough.
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Post by Pottersfan on Aug 16, 2024 22:33:10 GMT
We haven't sold any of our best players, and nor will we. There have been a few transfer links and rumours, but that's pretty ordinary these days; the world of sports journalism is pretty saturated and the stories don't write themselves. It's not like in days gone by where if a club was informally scouting or keeping tabs on players, the papers might not hear about it until there was a solid link or a bid. These days, journalists are so well-connected that clubs are very leaky and they hear pretty much everything. Plus, you know, some stories will be rumours altogether with no credible legs at all. None of the stories mean Stoke will sell. And nor should we. We've signed a few players this summer, so it doesn't look like there is any financial pressure to sell. At this point in the window, I can't see us accepting anything other than astronomical bid or Bae, Burger or Manhoef; and I doubt any particularly clubs will put in any astronomical bids for players who've had one good season in the second division. Imho, it actually suits everybody (Stoke, any potential buyers, and the players themselves) to stay for at least one more season at a club where they are guaranteed regular fixtures and will develop than to move right now. I really don't get why people make out they're so certain about things they know absolutely nothing about?? We might sell someone we'd all like to keep, we might not. As long as we get a fair price if we do what's to complain about. People leave their place of employment every day, some after a long time, some after their first day. It's just bog standard life, shit happens. The irony. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 17, 2024 8:25:43 GMT
Jesus. How long have you got? Which big club did Jesus move to from FC Bethlehem? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 17, 2024 8:43:40 GMT
How come the Blackburns and the Coventry's of this world seem to keep their stars strikers midfielders etc for two or three seasons before clubs come knocking, we have ours for half a season to a season and seems like every fucker wants them, does my nut in to be honest. Do they? You mean like Szmodics, Warton, Diaz, Gyokeres, Hamer, O'Hare some of whom went for nothing. You have a choice as a club at our level: buy old established stars on the wane who you will ask for decent wages and you will find it difficult to offload. Or buy young players on low wages to develop, hopefully see their value rocket or at least go up and who will be desperate to do well. If the stars align it is possible you have a couple of exciting years watching your young stars develop, maybe even get us promoted and stay together for the first season in the Premier. A young Ryan Shawcross developed an affinity with the club and stayed. Who knows if any of our new teenagers will. Buying young means that unless you get into Europe every year you are going to eventually lose them. The choice is sell them at a huge profit or watch them walk away for nothing. Sometimes we will have to sell. In the end I would rather watch Million and Bae for 2 seasons than the Crouches, Owens, Fletchers (Darren) and Allens for four seasons. EDIT I know it's new to Stoke fans but we shouldn't believe all the rumors and we should enjoy hearing them because it means we have got players that the press and agents think are too good for us. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 17, 2024 9:26:07 GMT
Jesus. How long have you got? Which big club did Jesus move to from FC Bethlehem? Jesus did move from Man City to Seville! |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 17, 2024 9:45:06 GMT
Which big club did Jesus move to from FC Bethlehem? Jesus did move from Man City to Seville! Didn’t he go to Arsenal or is there more than one of them. I always knew religion was a sham. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 17, 2024 10:05:27 GMT
How come the Blackburns and the Coventry's of this world seem to keep their stars strikers midfielders etc for two or three seasons before clubs come knocking, we have ours for half a season to a season and seems like every fucker wants them, does my nut in to be honest. Do they? You mean like Szmodics, Warton, Diaz, Gyokeres, Hamer, O'Hare some of whom went for nothing. You have a choice as a club at our level: buy old established stars on the wane who you will ask for decent wages and you will find it difficult to offload. Or buy young players on low wages to develop, hopefully see their value rocket or at least go up and who will be desperate to do well. If the stars align it is possible you have a couple of exciting years watching your young stars develop, maybe even get us promoted and stay together for the first season in the Premier. A young Ryan Shawcross developed an affinity with the club and stayed. Who knows if any of our new teenagers will. Buying young means that unless you get into Europe every year you are going to eventually lose them. The choice is sell them at a huge profit or watch them walk away for nothing. Sometimes we will have to sell. In the end I would rather watch Million and Bae for 2 seasons than the Crouches, Owens, Fletchers (Darren) and Allens for four seasons. EDIT I know it's new to Stoke fans but we shouldn't believe all the rumors and we should enjoy hearing them because it means we have got players that the press and agents think are too good for us. If you want to become a club that's buying and selling your top young talent you need a strong core group of players who you want at the club long term. A club needs players like Shawcross, Walters and Whelan to be the driving force on the pitch even if they are a bit bland and here for 4 seasons or more, the players that demand more from players around, players who are more than just a player, players who represent the club and everything we are about. If players are coming and going then it's important that to keep the motivation and determination in the dressing room high you need these type of players or you can never have any success. When we lost these players we were left with players that didn't care enough for the club or about being here and they filled the dressing room. These players aren't often the best players and fans often question whether they should be in the team but they are the glue that brings the club and the team together |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 17, 2024 10:15:09 GMT
Jesus did move from Man City to Seville! Didn’t he go to Arsenal or is there more than one of them. I always knew religion was a sham. I know he moves in mysterious ways |
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 17, 2024 10:25:00 GMT
Do they? You mean like Szmodics, Warton, Diaz, Gyokeres, Hamer, O'Hare some of whom went for nothing. You have a choice as a club at our level: buy old established stars on the wane who you will ask for decent wages and you will find it difficult to offload. Or buy young players on low wages to develop, hopefully see their value rocket or at least go up and who will be desperate to do well. If the stars align it is possible you have a couple of exciting years watching your young stars develop, maybe even get us promoted and stay together for the first season in the Premier. A young Ryan Shawcross developed an affinity with the club and stayed. Who knows if any of our new teenagers will. Buying young means that unless you get into Europe every year you are going to eventually lose them. The choice is sell them at a huge profit or watch them walk away for nothing. Sometimes we will have to sell. In the end I would rather watch Million and Bae for 2 seasons than the Crouches, Owens, Fletchers (Darren) and Allens for four seasons. EDIT I know it's new to Stoke fans but we shouldn't believe all the rumors and we should enjoy hearing them because it means we have got players that the press and agents think are too good for us. If you want to become a club that's buying and selling your top young talent you need a strong core group of players who you want at the club long term. A club needs players like Shawcross, Walters and Whelan to be the driving force on the pitch even if they are a bit bland and here for 4 seasons or more, the players that demand more from players around, players who are more than just a player, players who represent the club and everything we are about. If players are coming and going then it's important that to keep the motivation and determination in the dressing room high you need these type of players or you can never have any success. When we lost these players we were left with players that didn't care enough for the club or about being here and they filled the dressing room. These players aren't often the best players and fans often question whether they should be in the team but they are the glue that brings the club and the team together Agree, which is why we've done good business with the likes of Gibson and Johnson. They are new to the club and not outstanding players but bring with them the ethos, attitude and discipline that the club wants and improve the core. I disagree that they have to be players that have been at the club for a long time. If they have the right attributes they bring those with them to the club far more than players like Laurent and Baker who have been at the club for longer than most. Edit:that should say Johansson but seems to have been autocorrected to Johnson before anyone says the obvious, that Johnson isn't good enough to be part of our core. |
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 17, 2024 10:30:08 GMT
The difference between Man City and Port Vale is that MC had Jesus and the Vale only had the Pope😤
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 17, 2024 10:39:49 GMT
Jesus did move from Man City to Seville! Didn’t he go to Arsenal or is there more than one of them. I always knew religion was a sham. I never thought I'd say this but I've found something I agree with you on 👍 |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 17, 2024 11:01:48 GMT
If you want to become a club that's buying and selling your top young talent you need a strong core group of players who you want at the club long term. A club needs players like Shawcross, Walters and Whelan to be the driving force on the pitch even if they are a bit bland and here for 4 seasons or more, the players that demand more from players around, players who are more than just a player, players who represent the club and everything we are about. If players are coming and going then it's important that to keep the motivation and determination in the dressing room high you need these type of players or you can never have any success. When we lost these players we were left with players that didn't care enough for the club or about being here and they filled the dressing room. These players aren't often the best players and fans often question whether they should be in the team but they are the glue that brings the club and the team together Agree, which is why we've done good business with the likes of Gibson and Johnson. They are new to the club and not outstanding players but bring with them the ethos, attitude and discipline that the club wants and improve the core. I disagree that they have to be players that have been at the club for a long time. If they have the right attributes they bring those with them to the club far more than players like Laurent and Baker who have been at the club for longer than most. Gibson is the type of player we needed, Gooch is also a player that gives everything. Laurent and Baker aren't the players who get more out of the people around them, neither are captain material. It's good to have some players around long term I think it's healthy for a club. |
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