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Post by mickstupp on Aug 11, 2024 20:12:49 GMT
Thought Burger was good yesterday especially first half. My only issue with him is i'm ever sure where he is playing as he wanders all over the place. Which explains why he was blowing out his arse after 60 mins or so. And that’s exactly the reason why he can’t be trusted to play as a DM/6. Positionally, he’s all over the place. |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 11, 2024 20:14:51 GMT
Thought Burger was good yesterday especially first half. My only issue with him is i'm ever sure where he is playing as he wanders all over the place. Which explains why he was blowing out his arse after 60 mins or so. He needs to be more disciplined... It will be a nice problem for SS when Bosun signs. Changing subject. What's Jamie Vardy doing these days? 😮😳😌 |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Aug 11, 2024 20:14:52 GMT
Thought Burger was good yesterday especially first half. My only issue with him is i'm ever sure where he is playing as he wanders all over the place. Which explains why he was blowing out his arse after 60 mins or so. And that’s exactly the reason why he can’t be trusted to play as a DM/6. Positionally, he’s all over the place. Yeah i've said that all along. Don't get me wrong he has all the attributes to play there. But the wandering..a 6 is meant to be the link between back 4 and midfield. Hard to be that when you're off wandering everywhere. |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Aug 11, 2024 20:15:32 GMT
Thought Burger was good yesterday especially first half. My only issue with him is i'm ever sure where he is playing as he wanders all over the place. Which explains why he was blowing out his arse after 60 mins or so. He needs to be more disciplined... It will be a nice problem for SS when Bosun signs. Changing subject. What's Jamie Vardy doing these days? 😮😳😌 Probably injecting himself with Red Bull |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 11, 2024 20:44:22 GMT
And that’s exactly the reason why he can’t be trusted to play as a DM/6. Positionally, he’s all over the place. Yeah i've said that all along. Don't get me wrong he has all the attributes to play there. But the wandering..a 6 is meant to be the link between back 4 and midfield. Hard to be that when you're off wandering everywhere. Players play to instructions they don’t just go out on the pitch and do whatever they want. If you want your DM to just sit you instruct him that is what you require of him. The vast majority of DM’s don’t just sit sometimes they gamble and when you gamble sometimes you lose. As you say Burger has every attribute to be by far the best DM at the club. Glad to see Schu compromise at the weekend and play a 2:1 midfield we simply don’t have the players for his preferred method. We played 1 advanced/attacking midfielder who isn’t one. No need to compound the problem and try to play 2. |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Aug 11, 2024 20:51:57 GMT
Yeah i've said that all along. Don't get me wrong he has all the attributes to play there. But the wandering..a 6 is meant to be the link between back 4 and midfield. Hard to be that when you're off wandering everywhere. Players play to instructions they don’t just go out on the pitch and do whatever they want. If you want your DM to just sit you instruct him that is what you require of him. The vast majority of DM’s don’t just sit sometimes they gamble and when you gamble sometimes you lose. As you say Burger has every attribute to be by far the best DM at the club. Glad to see Schu compromise at the weekend and play a 2:1 midfield we simply don’t have the players for his preferred method. We played 1 advanced/attacking midfielder who isn’t one. No need to compound the problem and try to play 2. Yeah I get what you're saying I don't want him to sit in one position all game. But being disciplined as a 6 is important as the role is hugely important. You're the link and the protection. Wandering sometimes is fine..but Burger wanders a lot. And that is my worry with him there and is why he is rarely able complete 90 mins. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 11, 2024 21:11:17 GMT
To be fair he looks the fucking class. The second goal he scores is one hell of a strike. Only concern is it looks like he uses his physicality and pace to get him out of a lot of situations which isn’t going to be any where as easy in the championship. If he looks like Seedorf and and plays like Seedorf…. Bigger and quicker than Seedorf All right foot could pair up with Burger very well Frankie Bunn would have been a perfect pairing with Burger |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 11, 2024 21:14:23 GMT
Thought Burger was good yesterday especially first half. My only issue with him is i'm ever sure where he is playing as he wanders all over the place. Which explains why he was blowing out his arse after 60 mins or so. He needs to be more disciplined... It will be a nice problem for SS when Bosun signs. Changing subject. What's Jamie Vardy doing these days? 😮😳😌 Paying off his imbecile wife's legal bills? |
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 11, 2024 21:17:17 GMT
Yeah i've said that all along. Don't get me wrong he has all the attributes to play there. But the wandering..a 6 is meant to be the link between back 4 and midfield. Hard to be that when you're off wandering everywhere. Players play to instructions they don’t just go out on the pitch and do whatever they want. If you want your DM to just sit you instruct him that is what you require of him. The vast majority of DM’s don’t just sit sometimes they gamble and when you gamble sometimes you lose. As you say Burger has every attribute to be by far the best DM at the club. Glad to see Schu compromise at the weekend and play a 2:1 midfield we simply don’t have the players for his preferred method. We played 1 advanced/attacking midfielder who isn’t one. No need to compound the problem and try to play 2. Burger simply doesn't have that discipline to play as an orthodox no.6, he chases the ball and commits rash challenges when caught out of position. He's a very good technical footballer but lacks pace and energy to be anything but a deep lying midfield no.6 and to be a very good no.6 he needs to be more disciplined. |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 11, 2024 21:30:41 GMT
He needs to be more disciplined... It will be a nice problem for SS when Bosun signs. Changing subject. What's Jamie Vardy doing these days? 😮😳😌 Paying off his imbecile wife's legal bills? Can't we help him with that? 😆 |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 11, 2024 21:53:26 GMT
Paying off his imbecile wife's legal bills? Can't we help him with that? 😆 She got the publicity she craved at least She covered more ground than he did, following the paparazzi around |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 11, 2024 21:59:23 GMT
Can't we help him with that? 😆 She got the publicity she craved at least She covered more ground than he did, following the paparazzi around 15 goals in this league. 30 matches (no cup games) Bae and Million feeding him. Season long loan with requested return. Half his wages. Leicester win win. The little shit would love it. |
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 11, 2024 22:37:14 GMT
I wonder if he's related to Seaman Stains or Roger the Cabin Boy?
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 11, 2024 22:40:15 GMT
Players play to instructions they don’t just go out on the pitch and do whatever they want. If you want your DM to just sit you instruct him that is what you require of him. The vast majority of DM’s don’t just sit sometimes they gamble and when you gamble sometimes you lose. As you say Burger has every attribute to be by far the best DM at the club. Glad to see Schu compromise at the weekend and play a 2:1 midfield we simply don’t have the players for his preferred method. We played 1 advanced/attacking midfielder who isn’t one. No need to compound the problem and try to play 2. Burger simply doesn't have that discipline to play as an orthodox no.6, he chases the ball and commits rash challenges when caught out of position. He's a very good technical footballer but lacks pace and energy to be anything but a deep lying midfield no.6 and to be a very good no.6 he needs to be more disciplined. I said after the game and got mixed answers, but I think we should cash in whilst his stock is seemingly high He's got a lot of presence on the pitch, but he's nowhere near disciplined enough to play DM, and he's technically not good enough to play further forward The ball regularly bounces off him and he's often left chasing a bit aimlessly/silly fouls With a decent side around him, (a fit) Pearson would be the DM for me. With Lawal who can seemingly sit or go, and Baker or Laurent going forward. Or Bae at 10 but that won't happen. |
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Post by pushon on Aug 11, 2024 22:46:10 GMT
Yeah i've said that all along. Don't get me wrong he has all the attributes to play there. But the wandering..a 6 is meant to be the link between back 4 and midfield. Hard to be that when you're off wandering everywhere. Players play to instructions they don’t just go out on the pitch and do whatever they want. If you want your DM to just sit you instruct him that is what you require of him. The vast majority of DM’s don’t just sit sometimes they gamble and when you gamble sometimes you lose. As you say Burger has every attribute to be by far the best DM at the club. Glad to see Schu compromise at the weekend and play a 2:1 midfield we simply don’t have the players for his preferred method. We played 1 advanced/attacking midfielder who isn’t one. No need to compound the problem and try to play 2. I'm not quite sure about your 2:1 or 1:2 midfield formation? Do you mean 2 sitting (holding) midfielders and 1 attacker or visa versa? HOW does a 'Box to box' midfielder fit into this system? |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 11, 2024 22:48:54 GMT
Players play to instructions they don’t just go out on the pitch and do whatever they want. If you want your DM to just sit you instruct him that is what you require of him. The vast majority of DM’s don’t just sit sometimes they gamble and when you gamble sometimes you lose. As you say Burger has every attribute to be by far the best DM at the club. Glad to see Schu compromise at the weekend and play a 2:1 midfield we simply don’t have the players for his preferred method. We played 1 advanced/attacking midfielder who isn’t one. No need to compound the problem and try to play 2. I'm not quite sure about your 2:1 or 1:2 midfield formation? Do you mean 2 sitting (holding) midfielders and 1 attacker or visa versa? HOW does a 'Box to box' midfielder fit into this system? Had this discussion with him the other day and decided to give up. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 11, 2024 22:55:22 GMT
She got the publicity she craved at least She covered more ground than he did, following the paparazzi around 15 goals in this league. 30 matches (no cup games) Bae and Million feeding him. Season long loan with requested return. Half his wages. Leicester win win. The little shit would love it. And sign Jamie as well |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 12, 2024 6:52:15 GMT
Players play to instructions they don’t just go out on the pitch and do whatever they want. If you want your DM to just sit you instruct him that is what you require of him. The vast majority of DM’s don’t just sit sometimes they gamble and when you gamble sometimes you lose. As you say Burger has every attribute to be by far the best DM at the club. Glad to see Schu compromise at the weekend and play a 2:1 midfield we simply don’t have the players for his preferred method. We played 1 advanced/attacking midfielder who isn’t one. No need to compound the problem and try to play 2. I'm not quite sure about your 2:1 or 1:2 midfield formation? Do you mean 2 sitting (holding) midfielders and 1 attacker or visa versa? HOW does a 'Box to box' midfielder fit into this system? Saturday we played a 2:1 midfield Thompson a definite sitter and Laurent more box to box but both had deep starting positions. Burger playing at the tip of the midfield noticeably higher than the other two. Schu nearly always says he wants to play the opposite 1 deep and 2 advanced, which he describes as two 8’s who create and score goals . I think the titles we put on the positions confuse the matter really. It’s clear as day when your watching whether it’s a 2:1 or a 1:2 whatever instructions the players have in addition to that ie one sitting one having more freedom. We simply don’t have any players that can play the advanced role very well with the intensity the HC also wants unless he moves Junho inside let alone two of them. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 12, 2024 6:56:50 GMT
I'm not quite sure about your 2:1 or 1:2 midfield formation? Do you mean 2 sitting (holding) midfielders and 1 attacker or visa versa? HOW does a 'Box to box' midfielder fit into this system? Saturday we played a 2:1 midfield Thompson a definite sitter and Laurent more box to box but both had deep starting positions. Burger playing at the tip of the midfield noticeably higher than the other two. Schu nearly always says he wants to play the opposite 1 deep and 2 advanced, which he describes as two 8’s who create and score goals . I think the titles we put on the positions confuse the matter really. It’s clear as day when your watching whether it’s a 2:1 or a 1:2 whatever instructions the players have in addition to that ie one sitting one having more freedom. We simply don’t have any players that can play the advanced role very well with the intensity the HC also wants unless he moves Junho inside let alone two of them. I guess this is where we need Cundle. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 12, 2024 6:59:49 GMT
Saturday we played a 2:1 midfield Thompson a definite sitter and Laurent more box to box but both had deep starting positions. Burger playing at the tip of the midfield noticeably higher than the other two. Schu nearly always says he wants to play the opposite 1 deep and 2 advanced, which he describes as two 8’s who create and score goals . I think the titles we put on the positions confuse the matter really. It’s clear as day when your watching whether it’s a 2:1 or a 1:2 whatever instructions the players have in addition to that ie one sitting one having more freedom. We simply don’t have any players that can play the advanced role very well with the intensity the HC also wants unless he moves Junho inside let alone two of them. I guess this is where we need Cundle. Yeah I try not to get wedged into a corner by names but definitely a player like him if not him. I don’t know what other players are like him but they must surely exist. Edit: Also I’m extremely confused by the number of players we’re stockpiling for the deeper position/s whichever route he takes. Hopefully they know much that we don’t. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 12, 2024 7:12:08 GMT
I guess this is where we need Cundle. Yeah I try not to get wedged into a corner by names but definitely a player like him if not him. I don’t know what other players are like him but they must surely exist. Edit: Also I’m extremely confused by the number of players we’re stockpiling for the deeper position/s whichever route he takes. Hopefully they know much that we don’t. We don’t have enough playmakers at the club and those we do generally play out wide. I’d love us to have one in the middle. Though I thought we were excellent on Saturday there was a definate lack of creativity in the side. Every team needs a player that can unlock a defence. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 12, 2024 7:18:20 GMT
Saturday we played a 2:1 midfield Thompson a definite sitter and Laurent more box to box but both had deep starting positions. Burger playing at the tip of the midfield noticeably higher than the other two. Schu nearly always says he wants to play the opposite 1 deep and 2 advanced, which he describes as two 8’s who create and score goals . I think the titles we put on the positions confuse the matter really. It’s clear as day when your watching whether it’s a 2:1 or a 1:2 whatever instructions the players have in addition to that ie one sitting one having more freedom. We simply don’t have any players that can play the advanced role very well with the intensity the HC also wants unless he moves Junho inside let alone two of them. That's what I saw. Laurent and Thompson were side by side a lot of the time with Burger up. Over a season Burger would be better in Laurent's position from the Cov game. If we get a new LW I'd like Burger-Bosum behind Bae. Or you can keep Bae LW and put someone like Candle ahead. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 12, 2024 7:27:46 GMT
Don’t put Candle in, he’ll soon burn out.
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Post by chell_rosey on Aug 12, 2024 7:29:31 GMT
Don’t put Candle in, he’ll soon burn out. Constant puns start to get on your wick. |
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 12, 2024 7:30:56 GMT
Don’t put Candle in, he’ll soon burn out. Constant puns start to get on your wick. They'll be waxing lyrical about him next. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 12, 2024 7:38:01 GMT
Players play to instructions they don’t just go out on the pitch and do whatever they want. If you want your DM to just sit you instruct him that is what you require of him. The vast majority of DM’s don’t just sit sometimes they gamble and when you gamble sometimes you lose. As you say Burger has every attribute to be by far the best DM at the club. Glad to see Schu compromise at the weekend and play a 2:1 midfield we simply don’t have the players for his preferred method. We played 1 advanced/attacking midfielder who isn’t one. No need to compound the problem and try to play 2. Burger simply doesn't have that discipline to play as an orthodox no.6, he chases the ball and commits rash challenges when caught out of position. He's a very good technical footballer but lacks pace and energy to be anything but a deep lying midfield no.6 and to be a very good no.6 he needs to be more disciplined. I agree he isn't a traditional 6. If anything he is a box to box midfielder who gets onto scoring positions and makes assets which is what you don't get from a traditional no 6. Some of his tackles are rash but at least he does get stuck in and he does track back - which again is what you expect from a box to box midfielder. The big issue for me is his stamina - its a very physically demanding role and at the moment he can't sustain it for 90 minutes. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 12, 2024 7:38:24 GMT
Saturday we played a 2:1 midfield Thompson a definite sitter and Laurent more box to box but both had deep starting positions. Burger playing at the tip of the midfield noticeably higher than the other two. Schu nearly always says he wants to play the opposite 1 deep and 2 advanced, which he describes as two 8’s who create and score goals . I think the titles we put on the positions confuse the matter really. It’s clear as day when your watching whether it’s a 2:1 or a 1:2 whatever instructions the players have in addition to that ie one sitting one having more freedom. We simply don’t have any players that can play the advanced role very well with the intensity the HC also wants unless he moves Junho inside let alone two of them. That's what I saw. Laurent and Thompson were side by side a lot of the time with Burger up. Over a season Burger would be better in Laurent's position from the Cov game. If we get a new LW I'd like Burger-Bosum behind Bae. Or you can keep Bae LW and put someone like Candle ahead. That would suit me fine. I always said I’d be happy with Pearson Burger with one further forward but it’s still not what Schu keeps saying he wants. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 12, 2024 7:47:10 GMT
Burger simply doesn't have that discipline to play as an orthodox no.6, he chases the ball and commits rash challenges when caught out of position. He's a very good technical footballer but lacks pace and energy to be anything but a deep lying midfield no.6 and to be a very good no.6 he needs to be more disciplined. I agree he isn't a traditional 6. If anything he is a box to box midfielder who gets onto scoring positions and makes assets which is what you don't get from a traditional no 6. Some of his tackles are rash but at least he does get stuck in and he does track back - which again is what you expect from a box to box midfielder. The big issue for me is his stamina - its a very physically demanding role and at the moment he can't sustain it for 90 minutes. I think he’s very much a DM but not one who instinctively plays the role as many Stoke fans insist is the only way to play it. He’s a bit more adventurous than they want to see but that is remedied by simple instructions from his coach. Evidenced by the fact that all Burgers coaches prior to Stoke have seen him primarily as a DM. They just want a DM who’s got more in his locker than just sitting. The big frustration with Whelan for folks who weren’t so keen on him was that when he did join the play further up the pitch (as he did) he didn’t have much ability to help the team hence his poor career goal involvement record. You’d expect significantly more of those from a Burger playing the position. He’s a more adventurous DM for a more adventurous coach. |
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Post by femark on Aug 12, 2024 7:53:24 GMT
I'm not quite sure about your 2:1 or 1:2 midfield formation? Do you mean 2 sitting (holding) midfielders and 1 attacker or visa versa? HOW does a 'Box to box' midfielder fit into this system? Saturday we played a 2:1 midfield Thompson a definite sitter and Laurent more box to box but both had deep starting positions. Burger playing at the tip of the midfield noticeably higher than the other two. Schu nearly always says he wants to play the opposite 1 deep and 2 advanced, which he describes as two 8’s who create and score goals . I think the titles we put on the positions confuse the matter really. It’s clear as day when your watching whether it’s a 2:1 or a 1:2 whatever instructions the players have in addition to that ie one sitting one having more freedom. We simply don’t have any players that can play the advanced role very well with the intensity the HC also wants unless he moves Junho inside let alone two of them. I think we were half way between both probably because we don't have the right players yet and we were being a bit cautious for the first game of the season. Coventry were much more of a 2:1 than us. If you ever want to check for definite have a look on the WhoScored website. They do a player position analysis for each game: www.whoscored.com/Matches/1826866/MatchReport/England-Championship-2024-2025-Stoke-Coventry |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 12, 2024 7:57:33 GMT
I agree he isn't a traditional 6. If anything he is a box to box midfielder who gets onto scoring positions and makes assets which is what you don't get from a traditional no 6. Some of his tackles are rash but at least he does get stuck in and he does track back - which again is what you expect from a box to box midfielder. The big issue for me is his stamina - its a very physically demanding role and at the moment he can't sustain it for 90 minutes. I think he’s very much a DM but not one who instinctively plays the role as many Stoke fans insist is the only way to play it. He’s a bit more adventurous than they want to see but that is remedied by simple instructions from his coach. Evidenced by the fact that all Burgers coaches prior to Stoke have seen him primarily as a DM. They just want a DM who’s got more in his locker than just sitting. The big frustration with Whelan for folks who weren’t so keen on him was that when he did join the play further up the pitch (as he did) he didn’t have much ability to help the team hence his poor career goal involvement record. You’d expect significantly more of those from a Burger playing the position. He’s a more adventurous DM for a more adventurous coach. The point is an adventurous DM isn't a DM, they are a liability. You could play 2 box to box midfielders, one having the discipline to sit while the other bombs forward and Burger could certainly do that. The whole point of a DM is that they sit, protect the defence and allow the other midfielders to get forward - that's what a DM does. A DM who bombs forward isn't a DM - they are a box to box midfielder. |
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