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Post by scfcnicholas on Jul 27, 2024 9:32:19 GMT
Last time they did it that wanker Stuart Pearce omitted Beckham when he knew that would’ve been his last gig. He’s got previous for being pointlessly controversial and up his own ass (I.E Playing David James as a Striker)
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Post by jzime on Jul 27, 2024 10:13:30 GMT
After London 2012 the English FA were interested in trying to establish an Olympic GB football team on a more permeant basis. The Welsh and Scottish FA's vetoed, which is their right of course, but I don't really buy the 'if we have a GB team at the Olympics, FIFA might not let us compete as separate Home Nations in their tournaments' line. It's hypothetical politics that would very obviously never come to be in reality.
Where there is a will, there is a way. FIFA might do a bit of pointless posturing and some other UEFA nations might kick up a fuss. But, deep down, I suspect everybody knows that there isn't a chance in hell of some bureaucrat in Switzerland successfully abolishing the Scottish National Football Team because GB play as one nation every four years. It would simply never be allowed to happen by anybody who loves or understands football on these islands, and anybody who thinks there is even a remote possibility of it happening is living in fear of an imaginary bogeyman. If people really wanted a team GB men's team to happen, they'd get round a table and trash out an agreement between FIFA, the ICO and the Home Nation FAs. If people wanted to happen, an agreement would be reached.
I'm all for a Team GB football team. Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish players who wouldn't personally feel comfortable playing in it wouldn't be forced to do so. It would be a great opportunity for some U23 players who aren't ready for their respective senior teams to have a foretaste of international football.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Jul 27, 2024 10:32:55 GMT
I stuck the Olympics on this morning at breakfast, a bit of men's hockey! Spain versus "Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
Now the commentator referred to our team all the time as Great Britain and Northern Ireland, in fact he seemed to be doing it purposefully too much!!
So I am trying to work out who we would be offending by just being known as GB???? As I understand it NI is part of GB??
Someone help me......
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Post by potters11 on Jul 27, 2024 11:05:49 GMT
I agree certain sports (football, golf) aren’t needed but I’ll stick up for tennis here, the Olympics/tennis is a big thing for the players involved. You only had to look at the influence of tennis on the opening ceremony last night with Nadal, Serena Williams and Amélie Mauresmo all being among some of the last torch bearers. Andy Murray choosing to end his career at the Olympics rather than Wimbledon must surely tell you how big the Olympics are for him. Novak Djokovic wants Olympic gold this time around more than any other tournament this year, his year has been focused on it. You don’t hear these stories from football or golf when it comes to the Olympics! And Zidane. So by that logic, football is a big part of the Olympics? Not at all because Zidane is a huge name in France. Nadal and Serena Williams less so.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 27, 2024 13:25:12 GMT
Might set a precedent for other competitions which the individual countries don’t want. Not a privelige we want to lose. But then the women do it so that surely doesn’t wash? Just googled it. Apparently England women were nominated to represent team GB but they only finished second to Netherlands in the Nations League which doubles as the Olympic qualifier. You would think there might be a conflict of interest as in our final game we beat Scotland 6-0 but needed to win by 7 to knock the Netherlands off the top.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 27, 2024 13:30:03 GMT
I stuck the Olympics on this morning at breakfast, a bit of men's hockey! Spain versus "Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Now the commentator referred to our team all the time as Great Britain and Northern Ireland, in fact he seemed to be doing it purposefully too much!! So I am trying to work out who we would be offending by just being known as GB???? As I understand it NI is part of GB?? Someone help me...... No NI is part of the UK but not Great Britain which refers to the island consisting of England Scotland and Wales.
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Post by noustie on Jul 27, 2024 13:30:53 GMT
But then the women do it so that surely doesn’t wash? Just googled it. Apparently England women were nominated to represent team GB but they only finished second to Netherlands in the Nations League which doubles as the Olympic qualifier. You would think there might be a conflict of interest as in our final game we beat Scotland 6-0 but needed to win by 7 to knock the Netherlands off the top. Scotland women chucked it too - it was super dodgy.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 27, 2024 13:31:24 GMT
Yes and I'd fill it with under 23s to gain further experience
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Post by noustie on Jul 27, 2024 13:32:39 GMT
I stuck the Olympics on this morning at breakfast, a bit of men's hockey! Spain versus "Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Now the commentator referred to our team all the time as Great Britain and Northern Ireland, in fact he seemed to be doing it purposefully too much!! So I am trying to work out who we would be offending by just being known as GB???? As I understand it NI is part of GB?? Someone help me...... No NI is part of the UK but not Great Britain which refers to the island consisting of England Scotland and Wales. The bit I don’t get is why don’t we compete as UK rather the GB & NI - is it due to the political history?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 27, 2024 13:47:17 GMT
No NI is part of the UK but not Great Britain which refers to the island consisting of England Scotland and Wales. The bit I don’t get is why don’t we compete as UK rather the GB & NI - is it due to the political history? Can't answer that one as to me it is wrong as our Olympic team includes people from the islands around Scotland, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man which are not part of Great Britain which is the largest island in the archipelago of Britain so technically it should either be the UK or GB and NI and the Isle of Man and Jersey and Guernsey etc. It could be Britain but I think the problem there is that the island of Ireland is part of Britain including the Republic. The Great just means the largest island in Britain.
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Post by basingstokie on Jul 27, 2024 19:05:49 GMT
No sport should be included in the Olympics when the Olympics isn’t the pinnacle of the sport. For track and field, it is those competitor’s pinnacle event. Same with swimming / weight lifting / Etc. Tennis = Wimbledon. Golf = the masters Cycling = TdF They shouldn’t be in the Olympics because not even the players are that arsed about it. For football, it’s about 12th. You’d rather win the Papa John’s. I’m not sure that I agree that people aren’t “arsed” about being in the Olympics. I bet Murray was very happy to have won a gold medal. I agree with your point, but not the sports; Tennis - Olympics is a 5th open Cycling -TDF is a different event to a one day road race or TT & completely different to track. Golf - agree, should not be in Olympics Football - should not be in Olympics Rugby - should not be in Olympics (7's is just a sop so that they don't have the problem with XV's where the RWC will clearly be a higher prize. Plus it'd be impossible to get the games in during z 2 week Olympics.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 27, 2024 19:22:17 GMT
No sport should be included in the Olympics when the Olympics isn’t the pinnacle of the sport. For track and field, it is those competitor’s pinnacle event. Same with swimming / weight lifting / Etc. Tennis = Wimbledon. Golf = the masters Cycling = TdF They shouldn’t be in the Olympics because not even the players are that arsed about it. For football, it’s about 12th. You’d rather win the Papa John’s. I’m not sure that I agree that people aren’t “arsed” about being in the Olympics. I bet Murray was very happy to have won a gold medal. In his interview for the BBC he said that winning gold at London 2012 was the highlight of his career and he enjoyed all four Olympics he'd taken part in because he was part of a team in stark contrast to how a tennis player usually travels the world. He said that the atmosphere in the Olympic Villages was amazing
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 19:25:52 GMT
No NI is part of the UK but not Great Britain which refers to the island consisting of England Scotland and Wales. The bit I don’t get is why don’t we compete as UK rather the GB & NI - is it due to the political history? In literally every other walk of life we’re know as United Kingdom, it must be some sort of Olympic tradition bollocks. And what’s all this about most Northern Irish competitors being in the Ireland team? It doesn’t make sense to me
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 28, 2024 1:12:03 GMT
The bit I don’t get is why don’t we compete as UK rather the GB & NI - is it due to the political history? In literally every other walk of life we’re know as United Kingdom, it must be some sort of Olympic tradition bollocks. And what’s all this about most Northern Irish competitors being in the Ireland team? It doesn’t make sense to me If you're born on the Island of Ireland so to speak..North or South, you're entitled to Irish citizenship. As the Republic represents the country of Ireland it is generally the preferred country to represent in sport . The team is actually called GB and N Ireland but rarely referred to as it
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Post by enuntio on Jul 28, 2024 7:53:12 GMT
Gibraltar now play international football but an athlete from Gibraltar would have to represent Great Britain in the Olympic games.
Yes we should be able to field teams from the British Isles and still have our individual Nation statuses
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 10:51:33 GMT
The bit I don’t get is why don’t we compete as UK rather the GB & NI - is it due to the political history? In literally every other walk of life we’re know as United Kingdom, it must be some sort of Olympic tradition bollocks. And what’s all this about most Northern Irish competitors being in the Ireland team? It doesn’t make sense to me Tbf I bet they get a much better chance of selection as there will be less competition and a lower standard.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 28, 2024 12:31:14 GMT
en.as.com/olympic_games/why-is-the-uk-called-great-britain-in-the-olympics-whats-the-difference-n/There is genuine concern in the non English countries FAs that if the UK competed as the UK in Olympics that they would lose their nation status in FIFA. It's not a question of how we view ourselves but how others view us. Some think the UK is getting 4 bites of the cherry in FIFA, they don't understand UK's unity as one country whilst recognising individual nationhood. There is active suppression of separatist nations in some countries and they don't like to see devolution in the UK. There is also a great deal of ignorance some even thinking the smaller nations are part of England(!) and don't understand the Northern Irish are not British (!!!) We have managed to remain united whilst other countries have split like Czechoslovakia.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 28, 2024 12:36:29 GMT
In literally every other walk of life we’re know as United Kingdom, it must be some sort of Olympic tradition bollocks. And what’s all this about most Northern Irish competitors being in the Ireland team? It doesn’t make sense to me Tbf I bet they get a much better chance of selection as there will be less competition and a lower standard. Yep Ireland not known for it's Olympic achievements to be fair, dubious swimmers aside You still have to reach a certain standard to qualify though
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