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Post by werrington on Jul 25, 2024 8:09:17 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 25, 2024 8:21:53 GMT
I hope they come up with something workable. Gawd knows the city needs something to happen to turn the place around. Some of these supposed levelling up funds would be good🙏
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 25, 2024 8:23:05 GMT
I thought this was going be about a new pub opening.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 25, 2024 8:45:13 GMT
I thought this was going be about a new pub opening. Especially being a thread started by werrington
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2024 8:48:07 GMT
The council should put together a bid to be a center for the green energy movement that Labour is desperate to make a reality. There are so many large, unused factories around Stoke. Repurpose them. Hire local and give something back to a city that has been long forgotten for a change.
Labour have an opportunity with Stoke to show before and after photos of real change. It would be such a clever marketing tool for re-election.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 25, 2024 8:48:19 GMT
Wonder how much bulldozing a city centre is these days. I think that should be phase one
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Post by salopstick on Jul 25, 2024 10:13:35 GMT
a decent concert venue a smaller MEN say 10-15k in the centre would totally be the starting point to regeneration
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 25, 2024 10:29:19 GMT
a decent concert venue a smaller MEN say 10-15k in the centre would totally be the starting point to regeneration It wouldn't get used. I think it requires more nuance than plonking an arena there. Tour bookers just aren't going to opt for a gig of that size in Stoke due to our geography
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 25, 2024 10:36:36 GMT
a decent concert venue a smaller MEN say 10-15k in the centre would totally be the starting point to regeneration It wouldn't get used. I think it requires more nuance than plonking an arena there. Tour bookers just aren't going to opt for a gig of that size in Stoke due to our geography Stoke has a massive catchment area. Like the coop arena in Manchester a big local employer could help here and get naming rights on any arena. Bet365 arena maybe 👀
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 25, 2024 10:45:21 GMT
It wouldn't get used. I think it requires more nuance than plonking an arena there. Tour bookers just aren't going to opt for a gig of that size in Stoke due to our geography Stoke has a massive catchment area. Like the coop arena in Manchester a big local employer could help here and get naming rights on any arena. Bet365 arena maybe 👀 It doesn't really though because anyone in Cheshire is going to Manchester and anyone in South Staffordshire is going to Birmingham. It's just the way it is. The live booking team here at work tell me all the time they struggle to shift tickets at Vic Hall and Regent, so what good is a 10,000 seat arena going to do apart from kill those already impressive and historical buildings? All Stoke/Hanley needs to do is serve the people it's already got. We have a big enough population who are willing to go out and spend their money in shops, pubs, restaurants. It doesn't need to compete with other cities it just needs to evolve for it's own people to use.
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 25, 2024 10:57:43 GMT
The people of Stoke need to be paid a better wage and everything else will follow suit.There is no point in developing anything atm as most cannot afford to support new independent shops,businesess,restaurants,arenas,etc etc. I go to many gigs around the country and have done so all my life .The gigs in Stoke are amongst the poorest attended anywhere,people just have no money around here. Off the top of my head on average we are paid 16% below the national average for comparable jobs.
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Post by knype on Jul 25, 2024 11:01:08 GMT
The people of Stoke need to be paid a better wage and everything else will follow suit.There is no point in developing anything atm as most cannot afford to support new independent shops,businesess,restaurants,arenas,etc etc. I go to many gigs around the country and have done so all my life .The gigs in Stoke are amongst the poorest attended anywhere,people just have no money around here. Off the top of my head on average we are paid 16% below the national average for comparable jobs. Ever thought that the people of Stoke goto gigs in Manchester and not Stoke because there is nothing around to attract them into Stoke or Hanley ?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 25, 2024 11:01:27 GMT
The people of Stoke need to be paid a better wage and everything else will follow suit.There is no point in developing anything atm as most cannot afford to support new independent shops,businesess,restaurants,arenas,etc etc. I go to many gigs around the country and have done so all my life .The gigs in Stoke are amongst the poorest attended anywhere,people just have no money around here. Off the top of my head on average we are paid 16% below the national average for comparable jobs. correct
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 25, 2024 11:02:07 GMT
The people of Stoke need to be paid a better wage and everything else will follow suit.There is no point in developing anything atm as most cannot afford to support new independent shops,businesess,restaurants,arenas,etc etc. I go to many gigs around the country and have done so all my life .The gigs in Stoke are amongst the poorest attended anywhere,people just have no money around here. Off the top of my head on average we are paid 16% below the national average for comparable jobs. Ever thought that the people of Stoke goto gigs in Manchester and not Stoke because there is nothing around to attract them into Stoke or Hanley ? it’s a mixture of the two. Pubs in Stoke are never empty, people will spend what they’ve got.
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Post by knype on Jul 25, 2024 11:04:19 GMT
Ever thought that the people of Stoke goto gigs in Manchester and not Stoke because there is nothing around to attract them into Stoke or Hanley ? it’s a mixture of the two. Pubs in Stoke are never empty, people will spend what they’ve got. Minimum wage in Manchester is the same as in Stoke ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 25, 2024 11:05:08 GMT
a decent concert venue a smaller MEN say 10-15k in the centre would totally be the starting point to regeneration Not sure about the City Centre but the Etruria Valley would have been perfect, by creating fast links up to Hanley it would have revived it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 25, 2024 11:06:04 GMT
The people of Stoke need to be paid a better wage and everything else will follow suit.There is no point in developing anything atm as most cannot afford to support new independent shops,businesess,restaurants,arenas,etc etc. I go to many gigs around the country and have done so all my life .The gigs in Stoke are amongst the poorest attended anywhere,people just have no money around here. Off the top of my head on average we are paid 16% below the national average for comparable jobs. Yep...all about disposable income and the lack of it round here.
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Post by knype on Jul 25, 2024 11:09:16 GMT
The people of Stoke need to be paid a better wage and everything else will follow suit.There is no point in developing anything atm as most cannot afford to support new independent shops,businesess,restaurants,arenas,etc etc. I go to many gigs around the country and have done so all my life .The gigs in Stoke are amongst the poorest attended anywhere,people just have no money around here. Off the top of my head on average we are paid 16% below the national average for comparable jobs. Yep...all about disposable income and the lack of it round here. But people can use their disposable income to drink early, catch a train to Manchester, drink some more, go the gig and then train home ? Come on...
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 25, 2024 11:16:03 GMT
it’s a mixture of the two. Pubs in Stoke are never empty, people will spend what they’ve got. Minimum wage in Manchester is the same as in Stoke ? Naïve to think people in Stoke are paid the same as other cities, by virtue of their being less higher paid jobs.
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Post by Mendicant on Jul 25, 2024 11:18:34 GMT
a decent concert venue a smaller MEN say 10-15k in the centre would totally be the starting point to regeneration It wouldn't get used. I think it requires more nuance than plonking an arena there. Tour bookers just aren't going to opt for a gig of that size in Stoke due to our geography Oberhausen in Germany suffered the kind of industrial decline the Potteries has had. A 12k seat concert there built in the 90‘s seems like a success. Still to perform there this year is Alice Cooper, Nick Cave***, Paw Patrol and WWE. No mention anywhere online of Welt des Twists so I reckon it must be a big time venue. *** and the Bad Seeds
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Post by knype on Jul 25, 2024 11:19:11 GMT
Minimum wage in Manchester is the same as in Stoke ? Naïve to think people in Stoke are paid the same as other cities, by virtue of their being less higher paid jobs. Naive ? I never said it had as many high paid jobs. I would imagine there ate equal amounts of areas in Manchester as poor if not poorer than Stoke and some equally affluent areas in Stoke as there are in Manchester ?
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 25, 2024 11:25:11 GMT
The people of Stoke need to be paid a better wage and everything else will follow suit.There is no point in developing anything atm as most cannot afford to support new independent shops,businesess,restaurants,arenas,etc etc. I go to many gigs around the country and have done so all my life .The gigs in Stoke are amongst the poorest attended anywhere,people just have no money around here. Off the top of my head on average we are paid 16% below the national average for comparable jobs. Ever thought that the people of Stoke goto gigs in Manchester and not Stoke because there is nothing around to attract them into Stoke or Hanley ? That dosent make any sense. If a band are playing Stoke and Manc why would you go to Manchester,your reasoning is there is nothing to attract them to Hanley but there is the same gig as in Manchester. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Many groups do not come to stoke now because of poor ticket sales.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2024 11:26:50 GMT
Naïve to think people in Stoke are paid the same as other cities, by virtue of their being less higher paid jobs. Naive ? I never said it had as many high paid jobs. I would imagine there ate equal amounts of areas in Manchester as poor if not poorer than Stoke and some equally affluent areas in Stoke as there are in Manchester ? Depends what metric you want to use. In 2016, data from the HoC revealed that Stoke-On-Trent ranked 298th of 324 districts for social mobility. Now, I haven’t lived in the area since 2013 but do you think it’s got better or worse since 2016? In my opinion, it’s been truly left behind and central govt need an actual plan on how to restore it.
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Post by knype on Jul 25, 2024 11:27:12 GMT
Ever thought that the people of Stoke goto gigs in Manchester and not Stoke because there is nothing around to attract them into Stoke or Hanley ? That dosent make any sense. If a band are playing Stoke and Manc why would you go to Manchester,your reasoning is there is nothing to attract them to Hanley but there is the same gig as in Manchester. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Many groups do not come to stoke now because of poor ticket sales. If you can't see why people would goto Manchester for a gig over Stoke, no point me explaining mate
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Post by knype on Jul 25, 2024 11:28:17 GMT
Naive ? I never said it had as many high paid jobs. I would imagine there ate equal amounts of areas in Manchester as poor if not poorer than Stoke and some equally affluent areas in Stoke as there are in Manchester ? Depends what metric you want to use. In 2016, data from the HoC revealed that Stoke-On-Trent ranked 298th of 324 districts for social mobility. Now, I haven’t lived in the area since 2013 but do you think it’s got better or worse since 2016? It's got a lot worse for some, just the same as it will have done in many areas. What I'm saying is lack of money doesn't stop people from Stoke going to gigs in Manchester !
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 25, 2024 11:45:33 GMT
it’s a mixture of the two. Pubs in Stoke are never empty, people will spend what they’ve got. Minimum wage in Manchester is the same as in Stoke ? Minimum wage and the living wage are the same throughout the country.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 25, 2024 11:49:08 GMT
Stoke has a massive catchment area. Like the coop arena in Manchester a big local employer could help here and get naming rights on any arena. Bet365 arena maybe 👀 It doesn't really though because anyone in Cheshire is going to Manchester and anyone in South Staffordshire is going to Birmingham. It's just the way it is. The live booking team here at work tell me all the time they struggle to shift tickets at Vic Hall and Regent, so what good is a 10,000 seat arena going to do apart from kill those already impressive and historical buildings? All Stoke/Hanley needs to do is serve the people it's already got. We have a big enough population who are willing to go out and spend their money in shops, pubs, restaurants. It doesn't need to compete with other cities it just needs to evolve for it's own people to use. Some fair points raised there. Stoke needs something to kick start meaningful regeneration. That's obvious to anyone. Maybe a spon new events arena isn't it. But maybe it is. Yes it would probably ruin The Vic as a venue but times move on. That venue could be re purposed for alternative use as part of an overall vision. It doesn't need to be demolished. As you say its historic. A modern events arena with decent accessibility and parking would most definitely drag in punters from South of Manchester and North of Birmingham depending on what it was showing. The European Champions League of futsal is being put on in manchester next month. And it's being held at manchester velodrome. Which is alright for kids to play at but not really for top level futsal players. A massively growing sport that some smart people will begin tapping into I'm quite sure. An arena can a lot be more than just a music destination. Combat sports are growing massively, same with darts, snooker events etc etc Yes we have manchester and Birmingham on our doorstep but they aren't the be all and end all. Manchester traffic wise is a total pain in the arse and the parking is getting worse week by week as the council go anti car crazy. They shut the inner ring road here last weekend for cleaning. Absolute genius idea by some plum at the council. Bet the visiting tourists in cars heading to gigs were delighted. And Birmingham to me has never been a place I want or like going to. I live in Manchester and would happily go to events in Stoke. I tend to every other weekend during the season 😆 but aye I'm a Stoke fan. Either way Stoke needs a spark. Something that will tickle the imagination of investors to make them say I want to be a part of that.
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Post by knype on Jul 25, 2024 11:49:14 GMT
Minimum wage in Manchester is the same as in Stoke ? Minimum wage and the living wage are the same throughout the country. Exactly!
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jul 25, 2024 11:57:41 GMT
Stoke has a massive catchment area. Like the coop arena in Manchester a big local employer could help here and get naming rights on any arena. Bet365 arena maybe 👀 It doesn't really though because anyone in Cheshire is going to Manchester and anyone in South Staffordshire is going to Birmingham. It's just the way it is. The live booking team here at work tell me all the time they struggle to shift tickets at Vic Hall and Regent, so what good is a 10,000 seat arena going to do apart from kill those already impressive and historical buildings? All Stoke/Hanley needs to do is serve the people it's already got. We have a big enough population who are willing to go out and spend their money in shops, pubs, restaurants. It doesn't need to compete with other cities it just needs to evolve for it's own people to use. I don't doubt the logic of what you say tommy - but I'm curious to know what has changed in the last 40 years* -- given what you say about the team at work finding it hard to sell tickets for those two venues. Look at this listing for Iron Maiden's UK tour in 1983 ( I pick them cos they're one of my faves and their tour lists were a who's who of middle-size theatres/halls back in the day): MAY Mon 2 Hull, UKCity Hall Tue 3 Preston, UKGuildhall Thu 5 Oxford, UKNew Theatre Fri 6 Leicester, UKDe Montfort Hall Sat 7 Southampton, UKGaumont Hall Sun 8 Ipswich, UKGaumont Hall Tue 10 Nottingham, UKGaumont Hall Wed 11 Bradford, UKSaint George's Hall Thu 12 Glasgow, UKApollo Theatre Fri 13 Edinburgh, UKPlayhouse Theatre Sun 15 Cardiff, UKSaint David's Hall Mon 16 Sheffield, UKCity Hall Tue 17 Newcastle, UKCity Hall Wed 18 Hanley, UKVictoria Hall Fri 20 Bristol, UKColston Hall Sat 21 Birmingham, UKOdeon Sun 22 Birmingham, UKOdeon Mon 23 Manchester, UKApollo Theatre Wed 25 Hammersmith, London, UKOdeon Thu 26 Hammersmith, London, UKOdeon Fri 27 Hammersmith, London, UKOdeon Sat 28 Hammersmith, London, UKOdeon - Not only did they play Hanley, but still did 2 nights at Brum's Odeon down the road. (The following year they played the Viccy Hall AND 2 nights up the road at the Manc Apollo - so demand was there). Do bands not play this scale of venue on a tour any more - or has something changed that means Hanley is overlooked by promoters now? - Remember back in those days, we had our own promoter in the Potteries - Mike Lloyd - were they better at promoting the venue to tour bookers? I don't live in the area any more, I'm just curious to know what has changed if anything, that means S-o-T can't support even a decent 2,000 seat venue. What level of band does the Vic attract nowadays? * *** me, I'm old.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 25, 2024 12:01:54 GMT
It doesn't really though because anyone in Cheshire is going to Manchester and anyone in South Staffordshire is going to Birmingham. It's just the way it is. The live booking team here at work tell me all the time they struggle to shift tickets at Vic Hall and Regent, so what good is a 10,000 seat arena going to do apart from kill those already impressive and historical buildings? All Stoke/Hanley needs to do is serve the people it's already got. We have a big enough population who are willing to go out and spend their money in shops, pubs, restaurants. It doesn't need to compete with other cities it just needs to evolve for it's own people to use. Some fair points raised there. Stoke needs something to kick start meaningful regeneration. That's obvious to anyone. Maybe a spon new events arena isn't it. But maybe it is. Yes it would probably ruin The Vic as a venue but times move on. That venue could be re purposed for alternative use as part of an overall vision. It doesn't need to be demolished. As you say its historic. A modern events arena with decent accessibility and parking would most definitely drag in punters from South of Manchester and North of Birmingham depending on what it was showing. The European Champions League of futsal is being put on in manchester next month. And it's being held at manchester velodrome. Which is alright for kids to play at but not really for top level futsal players. A massively growing sport that some smart people will begin tapping into I'm quite sure. An arena can a lot be more than just a music destination. Combat sports are growing massively, same with darts, snooker events etc etc Yes we have manchester and Birmingham on our doorstep but they aren't the be all and end all. Manchester traffic wise is a total pain in the arse and the parking is getting worse week by week as the council go anti car crazy. They shut the inner ring road here last weekend for cleaning. Absolute genius idea by some plum at the council. Bet the visiting tourists in cars heading to gigs were delighted. And Birmingham to me has never been a place I want or like going to. I live in Manchester and would happily go to events in Stoke. I tend to every other weekend during the season 😆 but aye I'm a Stoke fan. Either way Stoke needs a spark. Something that will tickle the imagination of investors to make them say I want to be a part of that. I don't play x-box etc but I can imagine a stadium or arena fitted out to accommodate live events based around that sort of thing would be popular and we're ideally located. As you said earlier, why not a Bet365 Arena.
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