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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 15, 2024 15:26:18 GMT
If you gave him a knighthood for coming 2nd..what do you give the manager who finally gets England to win a tournament?
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Post by stoke1989 on Jul 15, 2024 15:34:31 GMT
A serial loser. No thanks
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 15, 2024 15:54:27 GMT
How many of the World Cup winning squad,didnt get any honours?
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Post by kerouac on Jul 15, 2024 16:22:56 GMT
No fucking chance.The more I’ve been brooding on last night,the more pissed off im getting especially when I hear Kane was carrying an injury. A spineless manager without tactics nouse unable to get the best out of Bellingham,Foden,Saka etc etc….if he’d shown more balls and positivity last night we could have worried that admittedly excellent Spanish team rather more than we did. Get him gone …
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 15, 2024 16:32:42 GMT
For what?
2 draws against average sides 1 x 1-0 win 1 draw and a win in ET 1 draw and a win on Pens 1 defeat
He’s getting paid handsomely that should be enough
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Post by milky on Jul 15, 2024 16:43:51 GMT
Nah ,not a chance .
Nice enough bloke who always conducts himself well and has done better than most have done but he bottled the WC semi final v Croatia & the Euro Final v Italy from winning positions and last night started Kane and left him on the pitch for a good hour when he wasn't fit for purpose.
Always the bridesmaid....
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Post by luciani on Jul 15, 2024 16:52:54 GMT
Yes. I think he deserves some recognition for the work he’s done and it harms no one to give him a knighthood. That said, I hope he stands down now and lets someone else take up the reins. He doesn’t really deserve the shit he gets considering how bad we were when he took over and where we are now.
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Post by samwidge on Jul 15, 2024 16:54:53 GMT
Outside looking in but Venables and Robson seem to be held in higher regard but Southgate’s record is miles better. Venables in particular failed to win a home tournament and England only played well v a Netherlands side in civil war and Germany yet he seems the media favourite certainly in my lifetime. Robson has a gutsy semi v W Germany that does a lot of heavy lifting for the 8 years prior. Maybe once the dust settles he’ll be remembered more fondly but at the minute he seems to be Graham Taylor levels of criticism which just seems a bit weird A gutsy semi. Is that almost an erection? .... I watched " almost and erection " back in 1982 supporting world of twist's " sniff the glove " tour in Dusseldorf. Very good they were....
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 15, 2024 17:14:35 GMT
No, he's won nowt
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Post by Middle White Stripe on Jul 15, 2024 17:16:47 GMT
A knighthood for coming second! Arise Sir Second 🤣🤣🤣😆
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 15, 2024 17:41:08 GMT
Serbia 1-0 Denmark 1-1 Slovenia 0-0 Slovakia 1-1 Switzerland 1-1 Netherlands 2-1 Spain 1-2
I’d say we’re the Tottenham of international football. Now if they started a season…
Crystal Palace 1-0 Everton 1-1 Bournemouth 0-0 Fulham 1-1 Brighton 1-1 Aston Villa 2-1 Liverpool 1-2
Do you think anyone would be impressed?
Southgate was very lucky to get the job, having done nothing to deserve it. The tournaments he’s apparently done brilliantly in…
WC 2018: Colombia, Sweden, out to Croatia, beaten by Belgium twice
Euro 2020: all but one game played at home while much of Europe travelled all over the place
Euro 2024: struggled in a piss poor group and had one good half (Netherlands first half) all tournament
He’s achieved nothing. Being a nice guy shouldn’t get you a knighthood.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2024 17:43:22 GMT
Definitely not.
And I say that as someone who thinks he's done a decent job.
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Post by dirtclod on Jul 15, 2024 17:48:47 GMT
I'm a yank so go easy on me, but seems like a lot of these are handed out...? Can't they bring back the requirement that the recipient kill a dragon or something before you have to call them "Sir??
Don't get me wrong, but I'd gladly call Lou Macari Sir. Interesting comparison I' know but still. . .
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 15, 2024 18:08:57 GMT
We won fuck all and so he deserves fuck all... He's actually come out and said Kane was carrying an injury! What does that say to the other players who would have ran their socks off...instead of that lump limping around all tournament!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 15, 2024 18:17:15 GMT
Are they gonna knight Kane too for being a nearly man everywhere he's been.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 15, 2024 18:28:31 GMT
One thing I really, really like about Gareth is he never seems to lose his temper with the press.
Pretty much every previous England manager including Robson and Venables had form for going off at the press. And all it did was draw them on to attack more.
Southgate always seems to be able to control his emotions and I think that’s largely taken the sting out of our horrific tabloids.
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Post by olias on Jul 15, 2024 18:37:23 GMT
Are they gonna knight Kane too for being a nearly man everywhere he's been. That man's a jinx.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 15, 2024 18:41:17 GMT
[quote author=" st3mark" source="/post/8186710/thread[[/u]" timestamp="1721037612"]Not for me. He's done very well in terms of making it to finals and semis. But knighthoods should be for winners.[/quote] Bit like Sir Bobby Robson
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 15, 2024 18:55:34 GMT
I’d give Badge a knighthood first for his services to the Oatcake before this clown questionable for King
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Jul 15, 2024 20:03:03 GMT
Yes or No ? Having been one of his biggest critics since the Italy debacle I still stay yes. Because whilst he hasn't delivered on the biggest occasions he has won us a lot more respect abroad, he's a good ambassador, speaks well, cares about people, is kind & thoughtful albeit incredibly cautious and stubborn. He has served his country well overall. Give him the title imo, on the proviso he steps down ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) I think he's been a very good yes man and ego stroker to get the career he's had up to now. I can handle losing to a great Spain team that beat Germany and France, but we were awful all the way through and his squad, team and sub selections have been worse than the average championship manager.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 15, 2024 20:24:29 GMT
No! Gouranga. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif)
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jul 15, 2024 20:55:25 GMT
If Kevin Sinfield and Rob Burrow didn't merit knighthoods, after being serial rugby league winners and then raising multi millions of pounds for Motor Neurone Disease, then Southgate doesn't even come near. The system is sadly broken if Southgate gets one for failure.
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Post by maine on Jul 15, 2024 21:10:19 GMT
To begin with, the "honours' system is absolute nonsense and a less servile country would have dumped it at least 60 years ago. Now, Gareth Southgate. He seems a thoroughly decent man who has had to put up with more shabby treatment than most of his predecessors despite having a better record than all of them. 'Anti social' media is clearly at least partly responsible. I've not enjoyed much of the football his England teams have played, but maybe we should take a look back over the last (let's say again) 60 years or so. England were very good in '66-and in '70. Since then I can count excellent performances on the fingers of my hands, a fantastic match in Germany for example, misfortune v the hand of god I think. Most England teams have in my lifetime been boring to watch. Some managers made a handful of progressive selections, Sven Goran, Robson, perhaps Venables and as caretaker Mercer, but most of the others didn't. Most declined to pick maverick geniuses, the likes of Hoddle, Le Tissier, Bowles, Marsh and closer to home Hudson of course. These were too risky. Better to play sideways and give the captain's armband to the likes of Wilkins and Francis. No risk football and little reward unsurprisingly .Depressingly Hoddle as manager probably wouldn't have picked himself! I think it's a cultural thing for which Gareth Southgate isn't to blame.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 15, 2024 22:02:23 GMT
He should be arrested for failure not knighted.
An absolutely obscene suggestion.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 15, 2024 22:18:23 GMT
To begin with, the "honours' system is absolute nonsense and a less servile country would have dumped it at least 60 years ago. Now, Gareth Southgate. He seems a thoroughly decent man who has had to put up with more shabby treatment than most of his predecessors despite having a better record than all of them. 'Anti social' media is clearly at least partly responsible. I've not enjoyed much of the football his England teams have played, but maybe we should take a look back over the last (let's say again) 60 years or so. England were very good in '66-and in '70. Since then I can count excellent performances on the fingers of my hands, a fantastic match in Germany for example, misfortune v the hand of god I think. Most England teams have in my lifetime been boring to watch. Some managers made a handful of progressive selections, Sven Goran, Robson, perhaps Venables and as caretaker Mercer, but most of the others didn't. Most declined to pick maverick geniuses, the likes of Hoddle, Le Tissier, Bowles, Marsh and closer to home Hudson of course. These were too risky. Better to play sideways and give the captain's armband to the likes of Wilkins and Francis. No risk football and little reward unsurprisingly .Depressingly Hoddle as manager probably wouldn't have picked himself! I think it's a cultural thing for which Gareth Southgate isn't to blame. If you think he's had to put up with more shit than his predecessors then you've got a bad memory or you're very young. "Robson had to wake up to 96-point banner headlines like PLONKER!, and IN THE NAME OF GOD GO! Then, after a 1-1 draw with Saudi Arabia, the thick black headline screamed, IN THE NAME OF ALLAH GO!" Taylor was morphed with the picture of a turnip. Venables had to deal with the barbers chair fallout and all the negativity prior to Euro 96. Southgate has had a few rumblings this tournament but nothing as savage as in the past.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 16, 2024 7:56:54 GMT
Lovely bloke.
Has done a very good job in turning us into a nation that competes at international tournaments.
Should have some money in the bank to retire comfortably and live a life of his choosing.
Doesn’t need a title for it.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 16, 2024 8:16:15 GMT
For what? 2 draws against average sides 1 x 1-0 win 1 draw and a win in ET 1 draw and a win on Pens 1 defeat He’s getting paid handsomely that should be enough Not sure that's his entire record across his tenure as England manager is it? That aside it's a 'No' for me - but he'd go up immeasurably in my estimation if he were offered one and turned it down.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 16, 2024 12:43:53 GMT
There were some British Tennis players at Wimbeldon who won fuck all,why not give them some MBEs?
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Post by kjpt140v on Jul 16, 2024 14:15:41 GMT
Im guessing some of these headhunters the ones that call for the heads of every manager we employ. Are the calling for Tony Pulis to be the next manager?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 16, 2024 15:58:21 GMT
He's done a Pulis i.e. taken us as far as he can given his ability as a coach/manager but now we need someone to push us on and finish off the job....and same as I was happy to do with Pulis, I'll thank him from the bottom of my heart for what he's done for us (people have quickly forgotten where we were as a footballing nation before Southgate took over) because it's been a major turnaround, but giving him a knighthood would just be turning an already dodgy honours system into the equivalent of a school sports day where everyone gets a prize, just for trying their best.
Not a fucking chance.
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