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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 14, 2024 4:31:31 GMT
We should also differentiate between acceptable and unacceptable. Surely it was acceptable in the 50s and 60s to bring in Commonwealth people to do jobs we were short of people wanting to do them. That is very much the case today when employers are bringing in foreign workers to do jobs in NHS , welfare such as homes for the aged, harvesting, slaughter houses, etc. Unsatisfactory immigration is freedom of movement when we were in the EU permitting EU citizens to come in as of right and displace British workers leading to higher unemployment and lower wages than would otherwise be the case. Since 2015 unemployment has fallen to the levels nit seen since the 1970s. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate#:~:text=Unemployment%20Rate%20in%20the%20United,percent%20in%20December%20of%201973. (Go to max.) I'm more free market myself, when possible. European immigrants were more productive and generally paid more in taxes than non-EU immigrants, and also needed less paperwork, so we were getting a smashing deal in the EU. It just seemed blindingly obvious to me that Brexit would either mean lots more immigrants compared with staying in, or big tax rises on working people, or big cuts to services. I actually expected the conservatives to go with fucking over millennials/zoomers tbh, but I guess the staff shortage in NHS and the care was just too dire, and they didn't want to be obviously to blame for cutting everything to shit. So they went with loads more immigration instead.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 6:02:35 GMT
Not at all as always you’re like a bull in a china shop. All I’m saying is that there needs to be a responsibility bringing a child into the world and a clear plan as to how its going to be brought up to be happy, loved and provided for by its parents. It’s not about the money it’s about bringing a child into a stable home with loving parents. You’re against that then? You’re all for children being bought into an unstable environment like baby P was or numerous other young babies that have been abused or exploited to gain a home and not for the right reasons. I’ve seen it happen frequently and it’s the poor child that pats and is damaged long term when the trauma caused often causes them to have mental health issues or due to not having a loving home to become involved in crime. That said the minimum they should expect is be fed and provided for. People should apply for a licence to have children. Once it's been approved they should adhere to specific rules such as not taking them to pubs, or offering up their own feet to be stamped on by way of apology if their kid is kicking the back of your seat. In all seriousness I get what Cobs is saying. For example the amount of children in care from Stoke on Trent (1100) and the cost of delivering this mean his comments have some resonance. There are that many that we can't cater for them in the city and they have to be shipped outside. When we try to create facility and capacity to deliver this in the city the neighbours kick off and try to prevent it. It's becoming a private industry, like elderly care homes, that people can make a fortune from. Surely nobody wants to see that and people need to be better informed about parenting, planned or not, before they head off down that route. It's literally the biggest decision anybody can make and responsibility anyone can take on. Anybody going through that who is identified as being vulnerable in terms of their capability to deliver the very best care needs additional support to do so (not necessarily directly financial). It's cheaper than the alternatives. That’s exactly what I meant 👍. We shouldn’t be in a country where so many young children are in care because there parents an addict and is incapable of looking after them so they grow up so damaged that they often grow up have the same problems and history repeats itself.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 14, 2024 8:55:05 GMT
We should also differentiate between acceptable and unacceptable. Surely it was acceptable in the 50s and 60s to bring in Commonwealth people to do jobs we were short of people wanting to do them. That is very much the case today when employers are bringing in foreign workers to do jobs in NHS , welfare such as homes for the aged, harvesting, slaughter houses, etc. Unsatisfactory immigration is freedom of movement when we were in the EU permitting EU citizens to come in as of right and displace British workers leading to higher unemployment and lower wages than would otherwise be the case. Since 2015 unemployment has fallen to the levels nit seen since the 1970s. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate#:~:text=Unemployment%20Rate%20in%20the%20United,percent%20in%20December%20of%201973. (Go to max.) I'm more free market myself, when possible. European immigrants were more productive and generally paid more in taxes than non-EU immigrants, and also needed less paperwork, so we were getting a smashing deal in the EU. It just seemed blindingly obvious to me that Brexit would either mean lots more immigrants compared with staying in, or big tax rises on working people, or big cuts to services. I actually expected the conservatives to go with fucking over millennials/zoomers tbh, but I guess the staff shortage in NHS and the care was just too dire, and they didn't want to be obviously to blame for cutting everything to shit. So they went with loads more immigration instead. "European immigrants were more productive and generally paid more in taxes than non-EU immigrants"That is technically correct as the EU citizens were taking jobs UK citizens could do leading to higher unemployment than it would otherwise be as proven by the figures since 2015. Personally I think it is far more productive for the UK to have 100,000s less people unemployed than we had during EU membership as shown in the link I posted in my post above. The shortage of labour has forced employers to increase wages by rates not seen since before the millennium: tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growthThe free market you believe in leads to exploitation of workers by suppressing wages. Nowadays employers have to justify filling jobs by the "needed workers" you refer to. I would describe the system as fairer, treating all nations the same, unless they are a special case like Ireland and "Hong Kongers". The exploitation of workers is rife in the EU; a few examples: www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/millions-migrant-farm-workers-exploited-europes-fields-says-oxfamwww.etuc.org/en/pressrelease/eu-labour-authority-needs-powers-tackle-labour-exploitationwww.etui.org/news/labour-exploitation-migrant-workers-construction-and-forestry
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Post by stokeson on Jul 14, 2024 9:05:34 GMT
The housing crisis is partly down to "Right to Buy" another Thatcher disaster. Not popular but it has to stop and a build up of affordable housing for people who are happy to rent in council hands.This would take bad landlords out of the market and bring in some sort of rent control...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 14, 2024 9:21:19 GMT
About 30%+ of England is greenbelt. And between 5 and 8% of total land has been built upon, including all roads and railways. Not saying we should build on it all but its a myth that we're about to run out of places to build. And a lot of the greenbelt isn't greenbelt in terms of meeting the legal requirementsof what is actually defined as green belt. Approx 20% of it in fact. We've been hoodwinked for decades. Like everything else its propaganda. Fact is we are a nation of nimbys. Its hardwired into every one of us. Well certainly where I am it feels like there’s less and less greenery and more flats and new builds popping up. I must be just unlucky. Let’s not forget also the infestructure that’s needed. Schools, doctors etc. No point in building all these extra homes if there’s no additional support. It's all about how poor our planning system is. But its kind of by design that our planning system is as bad as it is. As that way not a lot ever gets done which deep down satisfies the nimby in all of us despite the frustration that comes with it. You see it every time some village gets a planning application for 20 odd houses and the whole village is up in arms claiming the end is nigh 😆. Then eventually they start to realise the village pub that just closed down really could have done with 30 or 40 extra punters. Clowns the lot of us....
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Post by knype on Jul 14, 2024 10:33:07 GMT
What’s the answer. It feels like we need to make radical change. For me we need to look at the size of families and the ability of parents to bring up a child and how they’ll do it. It does feel at times that a lot of the wrong people are having children with the inability to look after them or give them a good start in life and bring them into the world for all the wrong reasons . This really is fucking disgusting. What is?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 14, 2024 11:17:14 GMT
In terms of numbers, we simply don’t have the work force/ number of labourers to build the houses which every single party promises.
There doesn’t seem to be any joined up thinking regarding getting people into trades and creating the required work force either, just random numbers spouted to outdo political opponents.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 14, 2024 11:27:04 GMT
In terms of numbers, we simply don’t have the work force/ number of labourers to build the houses which every single party promises. There doesn’t seem to be any joined up thinking regarding getting people into trades and creating the required work force either, just random numbers spouted to outdo political opponents. Spot on. So even IF they could unblock the planning system it'll not change anything or the quality of new houses built will be shocking because the Labour force is so thinly spread. We need a mass push on the training of trades. Maybe these non violent early prison releases could be made to undertake training in the trades. Or even do it whilst in prison. Something radical is going to have to be done.
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Post by superjw on Jul 14, 2024 11:49:11 GMT
It makes no odds, nobody, especially most of the younger people can buy the houses anyway.
I don’t know why anyone thought they would be any different, MPs thinking only of themselves as usual…
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 12:03:49 GMT
Do you have any solutions to the problem of the wrong people having children, or suggestions about what might be the right and wrong reasons for propagation so that we can stop it in the future? Not sure I have the specifics but there has to be more individual accountability because there needs to be a turnaround in relation to the ever increasing population. Parents need to prove that they have the financial sustainability, happy and stable home and above all love to bring a child into the world at the very very early stages. It may sound draconian but what’s the alternative for things to be allowed to get even worse so that there will be huge long waiting lists for local housing and doctors / dentists schools with classes exceeding 100 children taxes being hiked up to pay for those on benefits roads unable to cope with the traffic What’s your thoughts? So, forced abortion for any would-be parent who is not in work then? I’m personally in favor of a one-child policy but I’m also positive that “radical” will also mean cruel. Population expansion is a major problem. Immigration would also have to be heavily curbed at the same time to simply match the numbers of those leaving. R.e., roads, I do think that in 15 or so years, self-driving cars will be a thing of the past.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 14, 2024 12:09:15 GMT
If I buy a car, I expect it to be me and me alone who fuels it, maintains it and pays for it to be on the road.
When I had my kids, it was a conscious decision to do so on each and every one. Each decision was carefully considered based upon where we lived, what jobs we had and what support from family and friends with child care as both of us had to work. This means gaps in years between them because the foundation wasn’t right at that time.
This was all our choice, our decisions and child benefit, trips to A&E/GP and schooling aside, we’ve not taken a penny off the system to bring our kids up and I wouldn’t expect anyone to pay to bring up my kids.
Sometimes accidents or intended plans go by the way side and you have to make the most of it, but there is a sizeable number who think popping out little ones for someone else to pay for is the right thing to do.
We are in a mess with housing right now and with my kids all grown up, they have scrimped and saved having worked hard just to get a deposit on the basic of places to live. They’ve made sacrifices to do so and I’m proud of them. Me and the missus are desperate to be grandparents, but respect our kids way of doing it their way and not burdening others with their choices.
I’m guessing we will see stuff getting built all over the place which won’t please everyone, but governments have made some shocking decisions to compound matters and the current one will no doubt do the same.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 14, 2024 12:33:26 GMT
If I buy a car, I expect it to be me and me alone who fuels it, maintains it and pays for it to be on the road. When I had my kids, it was a conscious decision to do so on each and every one. Each decision was carefully considered based upon where we lived, what jobs we had and what support from family and friends with child care as both of us had to work. This means gaps in years between them because the foundation wasn’t right at that time. This was all our choice, our decisions and child benefit, trips to A&E/GP and schooling aside, we’ve not taken a penny off the system to bring our kids up and I wouldn’t expect anyone to pay to bring up my kids. Sometimes accidents or intended plans go by the way side and you have to make the most of it, but there is a sizeable number who think popping out little ones for someone else to pay for is the right thing to do. We are in a mess with housing right now and with my kids all grown up, they have scrimped and saved having worked hard just to get a deposit on the basic of places to live. They’ve made sacrifices to do so and I’m proud of them. Me and the missus are desperate to be grandparents, but respect our kids way of doing it their way and not burdening others with their choices. I’m guessing we will see stuff getting built all over the place which won’t please everyone, but governments have made some shocking decisions to compound matters and the current one will no doubt do the same. You practice personal responsibility and have obviously taught it to your children. Sadly plenty don't give a flying fook about personal responsibility and expect everyone else to fund their irresponsibility...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 12:42:03 GMT
Not sure I have the specifics but there has to be more individual accountability because there needs to be a turnaround in relation to the ever increasing population. Parents need to prove that they have the financial sustainability, happy and stable home and above all love to bring a child into the world at the very very early stages. It may sound draconian but what’s the alternative for things to be allowed to get even worse so that there will be huge long waiting lists for local housing and doctors / dentists schools with classes exceeding 100 children taxes being hiked up to pay for those on benefits roads unable to cope with the traffic What’s your thoughts? So, forced abortion for any would-be parent who is not in work then? I’m personally in favor of a one-child policy but I’m also positive that “radical” will also mean cruel. Population expansion is a major problem. Immigration would also have to be heavily curbed at the same time to simply match the numbers of those leaving. R.e., roads, I do think that in 15 or so years, self-driving cars will be a thing of the past. Not at all I think it needs to be an educational thing predominantly. There does however have to be a deterrent in respect to people thinking they can produce multiple children with no responsibility re parenting or paying for them, expecting others too or giving their child an unstable start in life. As always each case needs to be treated individually. The one child policy is a really good policy for me. I’m certainly not in favour of forced abortion that’s totally wrong for me and this isn’t about affordability it’s predominantly about parents taking responsibility around bringing a child into the world and one that receives the most love and care they can give rich or poor. Ultimately the thread was about the over population of the U.K. It’s just my thoughts I’m not expecting everyone to agree with me but fair play to you for the post I’d rather have a good discussion than a few angry words from someone telling me something I’m not. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by gawa on Jul 14, 2024 12:49:09 GMT
We need to build upwards rather than outwards more in my opinion. Many European towns and cities have large Tower blocks which house loads of people as well as bring life into the towns too by having people living there rather than empty shop fronts.
As for children, I can see both sides of the conversation. I think single dads personally get a difficult time when it comes to child maintenance and that the system heavily favours women.
With that said I had 2 friends who's dad died young and another handful with no father figure in their lives. Most of them have turned out well and contribute to society and are now there for their own children.
Children shouldn't be punished for things outside of their control. I can see the argument against handouts too and maybe we need more socialist programs as a happy medium. Family allotments and food kitchens worked on by parents and providing food and communal eating for families could be a good option. Teaches skills and provides healthy meals to kids taking a huge burden off parents while also providing some companionship too amongst other parents.
We need to be more creative with our solutions. Not everything has to be money handed out.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 12:56:27 GMT
We need to build upwards rather than outwards more in my opinion. Many European towns and cities have large Tower blocks which house loads of people as well as bring life into the towns too by having people living there rather than empty shop fronts. As for children, I can see both sides of the conversation. I think single dads personally get a difficult time when it comes to child maintenance and that the system heavily favours women. With that said I had 2 friends who's dad died young and another handful with no father figure in their lives. Most of them have turned out well and contribute to society and are now there for their own children. Children shouldn't be punished for things outside of their control. I can see the argument against handouts too and maybe we need more socialist programs as a happy medium. Family allotments and food kitchens worked on by parents and providing food and communal eating for families could be a good option. Teaches skills and provides healthy meals to kids taking a huge burden off parents while also providing some companionship too amongst other parents. We need to be more creative with our solutions. Not everything has to be money handed out. Excellent post.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 14, 2024 13:58:17 GMT
UK population in 2000 was 58 million and today it is 68 million, so 10 million more people needing homes, doctors, sewage, roads, schools and prisons. Our infrastructure is victorian and can't cope. No one ever told us it would happen and no one ever voted for it and no one ever planned for it. So we are about to build on the geen belt, we are freeing dangerous criminals, tipping sewage in to our rivers and have 7.5 million people on the NHS wait list. It's been a special kind of madness. Nige was right all along !!!
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 14, 2024 14:06:57 GMT
We need to build upwards rather than outwards more in my opinion. Many European towns and cities have large Tower blocks which house loads of people as well as bring life into the towns too by having people living there rather than empty shop fronts. As for children, I can see both sides of the conversation. I think single dads personally get a difficult time when it comes to child maintenance and that the system heavily favours women. With that said I had 2 friends who's dad died young and another handful with no father figure in their lives. Most of them have turned out well and contribute to society and are now there for their own children. Children shouldn't be punished for things outside of their control. I can see the argument against handouts too and maybe we need more socialist programs as a happy medium. Family allotments and food kitchens worked on by parents and providing food and communal eating for families could be a good option. Teaches skills and provides healthy meals to kids taking a huge burden off parents while also providing some companionship too amongst other parents. We need to be more creative with our solutions. Not everything has to be money handed out. Need creates demand: www.homeviews.com/buying/10-tallest-buildings-in-london-skyscraper-dream-homesAlthough I doubt many poor people will be advantaged. It also has to be remembered that high rise living built in the post WW2 decades to replace slums was considered a social error leading many issues. I always wondered why in the UK when there is so much high rise living in other countries. The solution to affordable housing has to be to build a lot more, although there are still doubters who argue that even in the 60s when the highest rate of housing was built, there was still steady inflation of house prices. The biggest curb then to housing inflation was lending limits where lenders would demand significant deposit and still limit lending to 2.5x annual earnings. Increased building which means increased builders which means increased immigration because young people today don't want to do manual labour or craft skilled work. That immigration is not going to come from the EU because east European economies are growing with EU regional aid and other countries, notably Germany have a huge labour shortage like Britain. www.ukconstructionweek.com/news/why-dont-young-people-want-to-work-in-constructionwww.reuters.com/markets/europe/half-german-companies-face-labour-shortages-despite-economic-stagnation-survey-2023-11-29/
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2024 14:36:45 GMT
NUMPTYS more like
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 14:50:32 GMT
If I buy a car, I expect it to be me and me alone who fuels it, maintains it and pays for it to be on the road. When I had my kids, it was a conscious decision to do so on each and every one. Each decision was carefully considered based upon where we lived, what jobs we had and what support from family and friends with child care as both of us had to work. This means gaps in years between them because the foundation wasn’t right at that time. This was all our choice, our decisions and child benefit, trips to A&E/GP and schooling aside, we’ve not taken a penny off the system to bring our kids up and I wouldn’t expect anyone to pay to bring up my kids. Sometimes accidents or intended plans go by the way side and you have to make the most of it, but there is a sizeable number who think popping out little ones for someone else to pay for is the right thing to do. We are in a mess with housing right now and with my kids all grown up, they have scrimped and saved having worked hard just to get a deposit on the basic of places to live. They’ve made sacrifices to do so and I’m proud of them. Me and the missus are desperate to be grandparents, but respect our kids way of doing it their way and not burdening others with their choices. I’m guessing we will see stuff getting built all over the place which won’t please everyone, but governments have made some shocking decisions to compound matters and the current one will no doubt do the same. Excellent post and very well worded. I guess we’re all different but I’m sure the vast majority of “would be parents” feel the same when planning to have a baby and so they should. There’s too many young people in the care system because they’ve been let down by parents who don’t want to parent and didn’t really want their newborn or to change their lifestyle but want the benefits that being a parent can bring. The sad thing is it becomes generational when the systems abused. This isn’t about rich and poor because there’s plenty of great parents who struggle for money but give everything to make sure they provide the best life they can for their child because they want to graft and give the child all the love they need it’s about those ready for parenting creating a life built on instability.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 16:47:34 GMT
So, forced abortion for any would-be parent who is not in work then? I’m personally in favor of a one-child policy but I’m also positive that “radical” will also mean cruel. Population expansion is a major problem. Immigration would also have to be heavily curbed at the same time to simply match the numbers of those leaving. R.e., roads, I do think that in 15 or so years, self-driving cars will be a thing of the past. Not at all I think it needs to be an educational thing predominantly. There does however have to be a deterrent in respect to people thinking they can produce multiple children with no responsibility re parenting or paying for them, expecting others too or giving their child an unstable start in life. As always each case needs to be treated individually. The one child policy is a really good policy for me. I’m certainly not in favour of forced abortion that’s totally wrong for me and this isn’t about affordability it’s predominantly about parents taking responsibility around bringing a child into the world and one that receives the most love and care they can give rich or poor. Ultimately the thread was about the over population of the U.K. It’s just my thoughts I’m not expecting everyone to agree with me but fair play to you for the post I’d rather have a good discussion than a few angry words from someone telling me something I’m not. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) I’m very curious/quite concerned about overpopulation myself. I think it will be the single biggest challenge of “Gen Z”. Education sounds like a better option that forced abortion! I hope that they’d stop at the former but I’d be surprised personally if some extreme measures were not taken eventually.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 16:54:46 GMT
Not at all I think it needs to be an educational thing predominantly. There does however have to be a deterrent in respect to people thinking they can produce multiple children with no responsibility re parenting or paying for them, expecting others too or giving their child an unstable start in life. As always each case needs to be treated individually. The one child policy is a really good policy for me. I’m certainly not in favour of forced abortion that’s totally wrong for me and this isn’t about affordability it’s predominantly about parents taking responsibility around bringing a child into the world and one that receives the most love and care they can give rich or poor. Ultimately the thread was about the over population of the U.K. It’s just my thoughts I’m not expecting everyone to agree with me but fair play to you for the post I’d rather have a good discussion than a few angry words from someone telling me something I’m not. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) I’m very curious/quite concerned about overpopulation myself. I think it will be the single biggest challenge of “Gen Z”. Education sounds like a better option that forced abortion! I hope that they’d stop at the former but I’d be surprised personally if some extreme measures were not taken eventually. The issue around the growth in population needs urgent action and can’t continue the way it is as homelessness will become an even bigger issue. Ultimately what ever action is taken by the government they’ll never please everyone. They just need to be creative and decisive and do their research well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 17:01:10 GMT
Uk population in 2000 was 58 million and today it is 68 million, so 10 million more people needing homes, doctors, sewage, roads, schools and prisons. Our infrastructure is victorian and can't cope. No one ever told us it would happen and no one ever voted for it and no one evr planned for it. So we are about to build on the geen belt, we are freeing dangerous criminals, tipping sewage in to our rivers and have 7.5 million people on the NHS wait list. It's been a special kind of madness. Because they're waiting for the 'indigenous' to die off. Wasn't that what the COVID jabs were for? "Stan, we've got an owd un in next. Get the 'special juice' from Box B"
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 14, 2024 23:49:33 GMT
I’m very curious/quite concerned about overpopulation myself. I think it will be the single biggest challenge of “Gen Z”. Education sounds like a better option that forced abortion! I hope that they’d stop at the former but I’d be surprised personally if some extreme measures were not taken eventually. I am absolutely against the government getting involved in families and forcing them to do stuff. Just seems a really dark path. Haven't we already worked it out? Economic growth, education, women's rights etc. Most countries that do that are no longer having too many babies. It just takes decades for population to then level off. The only way to make it go faster is to start killing people and I'm even more against the government doing that!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 15, 2024 7:01:11 GMT
I’m very curious/quite concerned about overpopulation myself. I think it will be the single biggest challenge of “Gen Z”. Education sounds like a better option that forced abortion! I hope that they’d stop at the former but I’d be surprised personally if some extreme measures were not taken eventually. The issue around the growth in population needs urgent action and can’t continue the way it is as homelessness will become an even bigger issue. Ultimately what ever action is taken by the government they’ll never please everyone. They just need to be creative and decisive and do their research well. One of the reasons immigration is so high is because the birth rate in the UK is too low to sustain an aging population. We need policies to increase the birth rate, not reduce it.
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 15, 2024 7:56:29 GMT
The issue around the growth in population needs urgent action and can’t continue the way it is as homelessness will become an even bigger issue. Ultimately what ever action is taken by the government they’ll never please everyone. They just need to be creative and decisive and do their research well. One of the reasons immigration is so high is because the birth rate in the UK is too low to sustain an aging population. We need policies to increase the birth rate, not reduce it. There is a very good section in the very good book The English by Jeremy Paxman regarding sex and the English, or rather the lack of it compared to other nations.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 15, 2024 9:12:55 GMT
The issue around the growth in population needs urgent action and can’t continue the way it is as homelessness will become an even bigger issue. Ultimately what ever action is taken by the government they’ll never please everyone. They just need to be creative and decisive and do their research well. One of the reasons immigration is so high is because the birth rate in the UK is too low to sustain an aging population. We need policies to increase the birth rate, not reduce it. This is exactly the problem. The Ponzi scheme state pension, public services etc simply don't work if the working population is reducing as a ratio to the elderly.
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Post by conzdad on Jul 15, 2024 9:28:51 GMT
Ok so I may be out of my depth here but before they start building these new properties can they not try and rescue and do up all these boarded up homes and properties first. I'm sure there's plenty around the country. That at least would save a bit of the green belt and all the wildlife that live there.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 15, 2024 10:23:45 GMT
The issue around the growth in population needs urgent action and can’t continue the way it is as homelessness will become an even bigger issue. Ultimately what ever action is taken by the government they’ll never please everyone. They just need to be creative and decisive and do their research well. One of the reasons immigration is so high is because the birth rate in the UK is too low to sustain an aging population. We need policies to increase the birth rate, not reduce it. I guess a lot depends on the younger population wanting to sustain the older population though. When you say “sustain” what does that incorporate?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 15, 2024 11:12:52 GMT
One of the reasons immigration is so high is because the birth rate in the UK is too low to sustain an aging population. We need policies to increase the birth rate, not reduce it. I guess a lot depends on the younger population wanting to sustain the older population though. When you say “sustain” what does that incorporate? Health care, social care and enough people paying tax to fund the state pension. Younger people will help support older people because they help them through the job they do which gives them an income. The state pension is a social contract - we pay in and support pensioners during our working years knowing we will benefit when we retire. The current working generation could choose to rip up the contract but many would never be able to retire or end up in abject poverty. If we had a policy of reducing the birthrate we would either have to increase immigration to make up the shortfall or accept the older generation will have to put up with worse care and a lower pension. This is a challenge in many developed nations. Birthrate on poorer countries are high because more children die and parents expect to look after them in their old age. When countries develop infant mortality improves and care is taken up be the state and birth rates drop because raising children becomes financially unattractive. Some parents should take more responsibility but reducing birth rates really isn't something we need to do.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 15, 2024 11:26:05 GMT
Ok so I may be out of my depth here but before they start building these new properties can they not try and rescue and do up all these boarded up homes and properties first. I'm sure there's plenty around the country. That at least would save a bit of the green belt and all the wildlife that live there. Stoke on Trent can't be the only place with a multitude of large buildings currently sitting empty. Or the only place with too many homeless and/or immigrants unable to work that would be incentivised by the prospect of their own home. There's probably also a lot of retired builder types, with time on their hands, that may enjoy some supervisory roles. Putting the 3 together might provide some sort of a partial solution. Caveat - I am also very much out of my depth 🙂
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