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Post by pearo on Jul 13, 2024 18:31:12 GMT
Labour’s new pledge to build 1.5 million new homes appears to have problems within its MP’s, Angela Rayner, Rachel Reeves, David Lammy, Darren Jones, Hillary Benn, Yvette Cooper, Wes Streeting, Lisa Nandy, Jo Stevens, Steve Reed, Liz Kendall and Pat McFadden all objected to to their Local Authorities to oppose planning proposals for new homes where they live.
One week in, but you know what you voted for.
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Post by frasier37 on Jul 13, 2024 18:55:32 GMT
Labour’s new pledge to build 1.5 million new homes appears to have problems within its MP’s, Angela Rayner, Rachel Reeves, David Lammy, Darren Jones, Hillary Benn, Yvette Cooper, Wes Streeting, Lisa Nandy, Jo Stevens, Steve Reed, Liz Kendall and Pat McFadden all objected to to their Local Authorities to oppose planning proposals for new homes where they live. One week in, but you know what you voted for. More of the same? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 13, 2024 19:07:04 GMT
I really hope we don’t go silly with new homes. There won’t be any green belt land left.
It’s about giving homes to the right people like the ones interviewed in this video.
Very sad.
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Post by Gods on Jul 13, 2024 20:10:13 GMT
UK population in 2000 was 58 million and today it is 68 million, so 10 million more people needing homes, doctors, sewage, roads, schools and prisons.
Our infrastructure is victorian and can't cope.
No one ever told us it would happen and no one ever voted for it and no one ever planned for it.
So we are about to build on the geen belt, we are freeing dangerous criminals, tipping sewage in to our rivers and have 7.5 million people on the NHS wait list.
It's been a special kind of madness.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 13, 2024 20:36:32 GMT
Uk population in 2000 was 58 million and today it is 68 million, so 10 million more people needing homes, doctors, sewage, roads, schools and prisons. Our infrastructure is victorian and can't cope. No one ever told us it would happen and no one ever voted for it and no one evr planned for it. So we are about to build on the geen belt, we are freeing dangerous criminals, tipping sewage in to our rivers and have 7.5 million people on the NHS wait list. It's been a special kind of madness. Because they're waiting for the 'indigenous' to die off. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 13, 2024 20:46:34 GMT
Uk population in 2000 was 58 million and today it is 68 million, so 10 million more people needing homes, doctors, sewage, roads, schools and prisons. Our infrastructure is victorian and can't cope. No one ever told us it would happen and no one ever voted for it and no one evr planned for it. So we are about to build on the geen belt, we are freeing dangerous criminals, tipping sewage in to our rivers and have 7.5 million people on the NHS wait list. It's been a special kind of madness. What’s the answer. It feels like we need to make radical change. For me we need to look at the size of families and the ability of parents to bring up a child and how they’ll do it. It does feel at times that a lot of the wrong people are having children with the inability to look after them or give them a good start in life and bring them into the world for all the wrong reasons . |
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Post by yeokel on Jul 13, 2024 20:56:07 GMT
Uk population in 2000 was 58 million and today it is 68 million, so 10 million more people needing homes, doctors, sewage, roads, schools and prisons. Our infrastructure is victorian and can't cope. No one ever told us it would happen and no one ever voted for it and no one evr planned for it. So we are about to build on the geen belt, we are freeing dangerous criminals, tipping sewage in to our rivers and have 7.5 million people on the NHS wait list. It's been a special kind of madness. What’s the answer. It feels like we need to make radical change. For me we need to look at the size of families and the ability of parents to bring up a child and how they’ll do it. It does feel at times that a lot of the wrong people are having children with the inability to look after them or give them a good start in life and bring them into the world for all the wrong reasons . Do you have any solutions to the problem of the wrong people having children, or suggestions about what might be the right and wrong reasons for propagation so that we can stop it in the future? |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 13, 2024 21:14:36 GMT
UK population in 2000 was 58 million and today it is 68 million, so 10 million more people needing homes, doctors, sewage, roads, schools and prisons. Our infrastructure is victorian and can't cope. No one ever told us it would happen and no one ever voted for it and no one ever planned for it. So we are about to build on the geen belt, we are freeing dangerous criminals, tipping sewage in to our rivers and have 7.5 million people on the NHS wait list. It's been a special kind of madness. The " madness" has ben going on for thousands of years apart from during the black death. The rise has been constant for centuries, the variable is the rate of change: www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/We should also differentiate between acceptable and unacceptable. Surely it was acceptable in the 50s and 60s to bring in Commonwealth people to do jobs we were short of people wanting to do them. That is very much the case today when employers are bringing in foreign workers to do jobs in NHS , welfare such as homes for the aged, harvesting, slaughter houses, etc. Unsatisfactory immigration is freedom of movement when we were in the EU permitting EU citizens to come in as of right and displace British workers leading to higher unemployment and lower wages than would otherwise be the case. Since 2015 unemployment has fallen to the levels nit seen since the 1970s. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate#:~:text=Unemployment%20Rate%20in%20the%20United,percent%20in%20December%20of%201973. (Go to max.) Illegal unemployment is also satisfactory but everyone in Europe and North America struggles with how to cope with it. Fortunately we are an island country and actually fare better than other countries who have a far greater problem and it is one of the causes of the rise of the right wing in Europe and the likes of Trump in the US. High child birth rate is not an issue in the UK. The average age has risen to over 40, greater longevity is also increasing the population. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 13, 2024 21:20:34 GMT
I really hope we don’t go silly with new homes. There won’t be any green belt land left. It’s about giving homes to the right people like the ones interviewed in this video. Very sad. About 30%+ of England is greenbelt. And between 5 and 8% of total land has been built upon, including all roads and railways. Not saying we should build on it all but its a myth that we're about to run out of places to build. And a lot of the greenbelt isn't greenbelt in terms of meeting the legal requirementsof what is actually defined as green belt. Approx 20% of it in fact. We've been hoodwinked for decades. Like everything else its propaganda. Fact is we are a nation of nimbys. Its hardwired into every one of us. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 13, 2024 22:24:41 GMT
I really hope we don’t go silly with new homes. There won’t be any green belt land left. It’s about giving homes to the right people like the ones interviewed in this video. Very sad. About 30%+ of England is greenbelt. And between 5 and 8% of total land has been built upon, including all roads and railways. Not saying we should build on it all but its a myth that we're about to run out of places to build. And a lot of the greenbelt isn't greenbelt in terms of meeting the legal requirementsof what is actually defined as green belt. Approx 20% of it in fact. We've been hoodwinked for decades. Like everything else its propaganda. Fact is we are a nation of nimbys. Its hardwired into every one of us. Well certainly where I am it feels like there’s less and less greenery and more flats and new builds popping up. I must be just unlucky. Let’s not forget also the infestructure that’s needed. Schools, doctors etc. No point in building all these extra homes if there’s no additional support. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 13, 2024 22:33:57 GMT
What’s the answer. It feels like we need to make radical change. For me we need to look at the size of families and the ability of parents to bring up a child and how they’ll do it. It does feel at times that a lot of the wrong people are having children with the inability to look after them or give them a good start in life and bring them into the world for all the wrong reasons . Do you have any solutions to the problem of the wrong people having children, or suggestions about what might be the right and wrong reasons for propagation so that we can stop it in the future? Not sure I have the specifics but there has to be more individual accountability because there needs to be a turnaround in relation to the ever increasing population. Parents need to prove that they have the financial sustainability, happy and stable home and above all love to bring a child into the world at the very very early stages. It may sound draconian but what’s the alternative for things to be allowed to get even worse so that there will be huge long waiting lists for local housing and doctors / dentists schools with classes exceeding 100 children taxes being hiked up to pay for those on benefits roads unable to cope with the traffic What’s your thoughts? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 13, 2024 23:53:41 GMT
Do you have any solutions to the problem of the wrong people having children, or suggestions about what might be the right and wrong reasons for propagation so that we can stop it in the future? Not sure I have the specifics but there has to be more individual accountability because there needs to be a turnaround in relation to the ever increasing population. Parents need to prove that they have the financial sustainability, happy and stable home and above all love to bring a child into the world at the very very early stages. It may sound draconian but what’s the alternative for things to be allowed to get even worse so that there will be huge long waiting lists for local housing and doctors / dentists schools with classes exceeding 100 children taxes being hiked up to pay for those on benefits roads unable to cope with the traffic What’s your thoughts? Only the wealthy can breed. Ok |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 13, 2024 23:55:15 GMT
Uk population in 2000 was 58 million and today it is 68 million, so 10 million more people needing homes, doctors, sewage, roads, schools and prisons. Our infrastructure is victorian and can't cope. No one ever told us it would happen and no one ever voted for it and no one evr planned for it. So we are about to build on the geen belt, we are freeing dangerous criminals, tipping sewage in to our rivers and have 7.5 million people on the NHS wait list. It's been a special kind of madness. What’s the answer. It feels like we need to make radical change. For me we need to look at the size of families and the ability of parents to bring up a child and how they’ll do it. It does feel at times that a lot of the wrong people are having children with the inability to look after them or give them a good start in life and bring them into the world for all the wrong reasons . This really is fucking disgusting. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 0:05:29 GMT
Not sure I have the specifics but there has to be more individual accountability because there needs to be a turnaround in relation to the ever increasing population. Parents need to prove that they have the financial sustainability, happy and stable home and above all love to bring a child into the world at the very very early stages. It may sound draconian but what’s the alternative for things to be allowed to get even worse so that there will be huge long waiting lists for local housing and doctors / dentists schools with classes exceeding 100 children taxes being hiked up to pay for those on benefits roads unable to cope with the traffic What’s your thoughts? Only the wealthy can breed. Ok Not at all as always you’re like a bull in a china shop. All I’m saying is that there needs to be a responsibility bringing a child into the world and a clear plan as to how its going to be brought up to be happy, loved and provided for by its parents. It’s not about the money it’s about bringing a child into a stable home with loving parents. You’re against that then? You’re all for children being bought into an unstable environment like baby P was or numerous other young babies that have been abused or exploited to gain a home and not for the right reasons. I’ve seen it happen frequently and it’s the poor child that pats and is damaged long term when the trauma caused often causes them to have mental health issues or due to not having a loving home to become involved in crime. That said the minimum they should expect is be fed and provided for. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 0:06:47 GMT
What’s the answer. It feels like we need to make radical change. For me we need to look at the size of families and the ability of parents to bring up a child and how they’ll do it. It does feel at times that a lot of the wrong people are having children with the inability to look after them or give them a good start in life and bring them into the world for all the wrong reasons . This really is fucking disgusting. like your language  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 0:06:51 GMT
Only the wealthy can breed. Ok Not at all as always you’re like a bull in a china shop. All I’m saying is that there needs to be a responsibility bringing a child into the world and a clear plan as to how its going to be brought up to be happy, loved and provided for by its parents. It’s not about the money it’s about bringing a child into a stable home with loving parents. You’re against that then? You’re all for children being bought into an unstable environment like baby P was or numerous other young babies that have been abused or exploited to gain a home and not for the right reasons. I’ve seen it happen frequently and it’s the poor child that pats and is damaged long term when the trauma caused often causes them to have mental health issues or due to not having a loving home to become involved in crime. That said the minimum they should expect is be fed and provided for. I am because what youre saying is fucking disgusting. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 0:12:17 GMT
Not at all as always you’re like a bull in a china shop. All I’m saying is that there needs to be a responsibility bringing a child into the world and a clear plan as to how its going to be brought up to be happy, loved and provided for by its parents. It’s not about the money it’s about bringing a child into a stable home with loving parents. You’re against that then? You’re all for children being bought into an unstable environment like baby P was or numerous other young babies that have been abused or exploited to gain a home and not for the right reasons. I’ve seen it happen frequently and it’s the poor child that pats and is damaged long term when the trauma caused often causes them to have mental health issues or due to not having a loving home to become involved in crime. That said the minimum they should expect is be fed and provided for. I am because what youre saying is fucking disgusting. Ok so you’ve heard my thoughts. So what’s your thoughts re the issues around the increase in the population and the solution before it becomes completely out of hand? What’s also your views re bringing a child into the world? Should a child be brought into an unhappy home by parents who are incapable of looking after it? don’t have the means to look after it or the love? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 0:15:47 GMT
I am because what youre saying is fucking disgusting. Ok so you’ve heard my thoughts. So what’s your thoughts re the issues around the increase in the population and the solution before it becomes completely out of hand? What’s also your views re bringing a child into the world? Should a child be brought into an unhappy home by parents who are incapable of looking after it? don’t have the means to look after it or the love? We need more social housing. Use brownfield sites where possible. It’s not really something that is a problem if you plan for it. Having a child is a right for everyone. Thinking otherwise is cruel. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 0:28:37 GMT
Ok so you’ve heard my thoughts. So what’s your thoughts re the issues around the increase in the population and the solution before it becomes completely out of hand? What’s also your views re bringing a child into the world? Should a child be brought into an unhappy home by parents who are incapable of looking after it? don’t have the means to look after it or the love? We need more social housing. Use brownfield sites where possible. It’s not really something that is a problem if you plan for it. Having a child is a right for everyone. Thinking otherwise is cruel. I’m not saying it isn’t but do you not think bringing a baby into the world brings responsibility and shouldn’t be taken lightly. It’s not just about having the baby it’s about nurturing that child till it’s 18 to become the best person it can and to give it a fighting chance in life to fulfill their potential. There are plenty of people that have come from poor backgrounds that have done incredibly because they’ve been given love and taught the right ethics. In the same respect there have been plenty that haven’t and have been born into a home of drugs, crime and awful role models. Is that right? Should that go unchecked? No one’s saying every parent has to have a ferrari and 40k+ a year income but what they should have is a plan of how “they’re” going to support their child as it grows up over the next 18 years before taking on what is a monumental responsibility. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 0:29:39 GMT
We need more social housing. Use brownfield sites where possible. It’s not really something that is a problem if you plan for it. Having a child is a right for everyone. Thinking otherwise is cruel. I’m not saying it isn’t but do you not think bringing a baby into the world brings responsibility and shouldn’t be taken lightly. It’s not just about having the baby it’s about nurturing that child till it’s 18 to become the best person it can and to give it a fighting chance in life to fulfill their potential. There are plenty of people that have come from poor backgrounds that have done incredibly because they’ve been given love and taught the right ethics. In the same respect there have been plenty that haven’t and have been born into a home of drugs, crime and awful role models. Is that right? Should that go unchecked? No one’s saying every parent has to have a ferrari and 40k+ a year income but what they should have is a plan of how “they’re” going to support their child as it grows up over the next 18 years before taking on what is a monumental responsibility. It’s exactly what you’re saying. You are saying it is not a right for poor people. Which is disgusting. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 0:43:25 GMT
I’m not saying it isn’t but do you not think bringing a baby into the world brings responsibility and shouldn’t be taken lightly. It’s not just about having the baby it’s about nurturing that child till it’s 18 to become the best person it can and to give it a fighting chance in life to fulfill their potential. There are plenty of people that have come from poor backgrounds that have done incredibly because they’ve been given love and taught the right ethics. In the same respect there have been plenty that haven’t and have been born into a home of drugs, crime and awful role models. Is that right? Should that go unchecked? No one’s saying every parent has to have a ferrari and 40k+ a year income but what they should have is a plan of how “they’re” going to support their child as it grows up over the next 18 years before taking on what is a monumental responsibility. It’s exactly what you’re saying. You are saying it is not a right for poor people. Which is disgusting. No I’m not. What I’m saying is that having a child is a responsibility and that if you’re going to bring a baby into the world that you need to look at what your circumstances are before doing so as it’s a huge decision creating a life. There’s so many things to think about. Money is a factor as you want to feed and clothe your child but that doesn’t mean you have to deck it out in Armani you’d simply live within your means and do your best for them. The main thing is love. For me personally I’d get 2 jobs if I had to if it meant I was providing for my kids. I’d want to demonstrate as they get older that I’d do anything for them. It’s not about the money it’s about setting an example as a parent making the personal sacrifices if you have to when you don’t have the money. There’s no bigger thing you can do. Anyway I’ll leave it at that. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 0:45:52 GMT
It’s exactly what you’re saying. You are saying it is not a right for poor people. Which is disgusting. No I’m not. What I’m saying is that having a child is a responsibility and that if you’re going to bring a baby into the world that you need to look at what your circumstances are before doing so as it’s a huge decision creating a life. There’s so many things to think about. Money is a factor as you want to feed and clothe your child but that doesn’t mean you have to deck it out in Armani you’d simply live within your means and do your best for them. The main thing is love. For me personally I’d get 2 jobs if I had to if it meant I was providing for my kids. I’d want to demonstrate as they get older that I’d do anything for them. It’s not about the money it’s about setting an example as a parent making the personal sacrifices if you have to when you don’t have the money. There’s no bigger thing you can do. Anyway I’ll leave it at that. You are. You’re spouting pure vile eugenics. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 1:08:18 GMT
No I’m not. What I’m saying is that having a child is a responsibility and that if you’re going to bring a baby into the world that you need to look at what your circumstances are before doing so as it’s a huge decision creating a life. There’s so many things to think about. Money is a factor as you want to feed and clothe your child but that doesn’t mean you have to deck it out in Armani you’d simply live within your means and do your best for them. The main thing is love. For me personally I’d get 2 jobs if I had to if it meant I was providing for my kids. I’d want to demonstrate as they get older that I’d do anything for them. It’s not about the money it’s about setting an example as a parent making the personal sacrifices if you have to when you don’t have the money. There’s no bigger thing you can do. Anyway I’ll leave it at that. You are. You’re spouting pure vile eugenics. Then I shall prepare to cop it in the morning from all the other morally superior Oatie posters |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 1:09:20 GMT
You are. You’re spouting pure vile eugenics. Then I shall prepare to cop it in the morning from all the other morally superior Oatie posters You really are despicable. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2024 1:14:10 GMT
Then I shall prepare to cop it in the morning from all the other morally superior Oatie posters You really are despicable. I’ll try not to take it personally |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 1:15:19 GMT
You really are despicable. I’ll try not to take it personally No you won’t give a shit as your views show on this cesspit. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 1:49:21 GMT
The irony being that the problems are created by the privileged people with degrees from Oxford.
Not the poor immigrant trying to better themselves or the person living in poverty or near poverty trying to make ends meet.
But let’s blame the little man.
It’s a very strange mindset given we’re all more close to being that little man than the privileged one making decisions that make peoples lives misery.
The lack of empathy is fucking sickening.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 14, 2024 4:02:50 GMT
The irony being that the problems are created by the privileged people with degrees from Oxford. Not the poor immigrant trying to better themselves or the person living in poverty or near poverty trying to make ends meet. But let’s blame the little man. It’s a very strange mindset given we’re all more close to being that little man than the privileged one making decisions that make peoples lives misery. The lack of empathy is fucking sickening.  |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 14, 2024 4:15:29 GMT
Only the wealthy can breed. Ok Not at all as always you’re like a bull in a china shop. All I’m saying is that there needs to be a responsibility bringing a child into the world and a clear plan as to how its going to be brought up to be happy, loved and provided for by its parents. It’s not about the money it’s about bringing a child into a stable home with loving parents. You’re against that then? You’re all for children being bought into an unstable environment like baby P was or numerous other young babies that have been abused or exploited to gain a home and not for the right reasons. I’ve seen it happen frequently and it’s the poor child that pats and is damaged long term when the trauma caused often causes them to have mental health issues or due to not having a loving home to become involved in crime. That said the minimum they should expect is be fed and provided for. People should apply for a licence to have children. Once it's been approved they should adhere to specific rules such as not taking them to pubs, or offering up their own feet to be stamped on by way of apology if their kid is kicking the back of your seat. In all seriousness I get what Cobs is saying. For example the amount of children in care from Stoke on Trent (1100) and the cost of delivering this mean his comments have some resonance. There are that many that we can't cater for them in the city and they have to be shipped outside. When we try to create facility and capacity to deliver this in the city the neighbours kick off and try to prevent it. It's becoming a private industry, like elderly care homes, that people can make a fortune from. Surely nobody wants to see that and people need to be better informed about parenting, planned or not, before they head off down that route. It's literally the biggest decision anybody can make and responsibility anyone can take on. Anybody going through that who is identified as being vulnerable in terms of their capability to deliver the very best care needs additional support to do so (not necessarily directly financial). It's cheaper than the alternatives. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 14, 2024 4:28:40 GMT
Labour’s new pledge to build 1.5 million new homes appears to have problems within its MP’s, Angela Rayner, Rachel Reeves, David Lammy, Darren Jones, Hillary Benn, Yvette Cooper, Wes Streeting, Lisa Nandy, Jo Stevens, Steve Reed, Liz Kendall and Pat McFadden all objected to to their Local Authorities to oppose planning proposals for new homes where they live. One week in, but you know what you voted for. I thought this would happen, but let's see. 1.5 million new houses (or houses+flats) should be a minimum really. Whole generations are getting absolutely fucking drained by ridiculous housing prices near good jobs. Even if we had zero NIMBYs, are there enough construction workers? I'll judge them in a few years though. There's gonna be a lot of political drama along the way and in my experience you can't really be sure how it's going to work out based on reading headlines about politicians whining. |
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