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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 13, 2024 19:27:52 GMT
I generally disagree with him. But one thing that does get tiresome is the obsession with pressing. High press low press etc. The champions league semi between Real Madrid and Bayern Munich was so good because it wasn’t just a big press fest.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 13, 2024 20:43:20 GMT
I generally disagree with him. But one thing that does get tiresome is the obsession with pressing. High press low press etc. The champions league semi between Real Madrid and Bayern Munich was so good because it wasn’t just a big press fest. Watched a kids football tournament this morning. The coach was trying to get kids who could barely kick a football to press. Reminded me of Ten Haag’s first month in the job to be honest….. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 13, 2024 21:19:26 GMT
I generally disagree with him. But one thing that does get tiresome is the obsession with pressing. High press low press etc. The champions league semi between Real Madrid and Bayern Munich was so good because it wasn’t just a big press fest. Watched a kids football tournament this morning. The coach was trying to get kids who could barely kick a football to press. Reminded me of Ten Haag’s first month in the job to be honest….. Bloody heck 🤮 |
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Post by march4 on Jul 13, 2024 21:36:47 GMT
Watched the 1966 World Cup Final on Channel 4 in colour this afternoon.
What refreshing football. 20 blokes charging around the pitch trying to get the ball towards the opposition goal. No press, no thought of retaining possession for the sake of it and no rolling round on the floor.
At one point Bobby Charlton paused in midfield with the ball at his feet and the crowd jeered, just as they did when Jack Charlton passed the ball back to Banksie.
Miles better than the sterile rubbish and theatrics that pretend to be football these days.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 0:33:46 GMT
I tried to watch the 66 final once and it was so dull. So slow and just isn’t the game I watch and love now.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 14, 2024 0:44:42 GMT
I agree totally, football has declined majorly.... mostly in the time we've been out of the Premier League!!!
I can't even bring myself to watch the Premier League anymore, that goes for most football.... I never thought I'd be ever saying that, but it's become tedious now!!!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 14, 2024 0:46:07 GMT
Watched the 1966 World Cup Final on Channel 4 in colour this afternoon. What refreshing football. 20 blokes charging around the pitch trying to get the ball towards the opposition goal. No press, no thought of retaining possession for the sake of it and no rolling round on the floor. At one point Bobby Charlton paused in midfield with the ball at his feet and the crowd jeered, just as they did when Jack Charlton passed the ball back to Banksie. Miles better than the sterile rubbish and theatrics that pretend to be football these days. Watched that me'self!!! 👍🏼 |
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Post by retrostoke on Jul 14, 2024 6:22:25 GMT
If it wasn’t for Stoke I might give up on football. Most enjoyment I get from it if I’m not watching Stoke is a bet on a Saturday and watching the scores come in while having a pint.
Too much punditry, too much agonising over 1 simple incident to fill time. The wokeness of the commentary teams and pundits, half of which can’t string a sentence together.
Another nail will be half empty grounds because Sky are showing your team every other game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 6:27:12 GMT
If it wasn’t for Stoke I might give up on football. Most enjoyment I get from it if I’m not watching Stoke is a bet on a Saturday and watching the scores come in while having a pint. Too much punditry, too much agonising over 1 simple incident to fill time. The wokeness of the commentary teams and pundits, half of which can’t string a sentence together. Another nail will be half empty grounds because Sky are showing your team every other game. You don’t have to watch the punditry? Wokeness 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 14, 2024 7:19:38 GMT
Too much football
Too much money
Too many subs
Too many academies not scouting local players only
Too many big clubs stealing young talent from other teams areas
This will all result in change and I’m afraid that change will be a European Super league in the near future
All young kids will support clubs in the league and the rest ( us)
will just be regional leagues or something. The TV companies and audience demand will be for the super league.
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Post by Waggy on Jul 14, 2024 7:21:48 GMT
If it wasn’t for Stoke I might give up on football. Most enjoyment I get from it if I’m not watching Stoke is a bet on a Saturday and watching the scores come in while having a pint. Too much punditry, too much agonising over 1 simple incident to fill time. The wokeness of the commentary teams and pundits, half of which can’t string a sentence together. Another nail will be half empty grounds because Sky are showing your team every other game. Same here. I used to watch loads of games on TV and have stopped that now. I only watch Stoke and England tbh nowadays. I even don’t know or care about players anymore. I never heard of that Spanish wonder kid until a week ago. It’s either age or lost interest. |
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Post by misterj on Jul 14, 2024 8:29:20 GMT
If it wasn’t for Stoke I might give up on football. Most enjoyment I get from it if I’m not watching Stoke is a bet on a Saturday and watching the scores come in while having a pint. Too much punditry, too much agonising over 1 simple incident to fill time. The wokeness of the commentary teams and pundits, half of which can’t string a sentence together. Another nail will be half empty grounds because Sky are showing your team every other game. Same here …… just Stoke & England for me now. Too much money ……. Too much fannying around at the back (tippy tappy) …… not enough passion/entertainment/bravery of people just having a go at the opposition …. Too much changing kick off times to suit TV schedules and not for one moment thinking of working class/less wealthy families who had footy down as their weekly/fortnightly bonding ritual …… DEFINITELY too much cheating, could be sorted out instantly using cameras as evidence, yellow cards, red cards etc but no-one has the bottle to sort Same here. I used to watch loads of games on TV and have stopped that now. I only watch Stoke and England tbh nowadays. I even don’t know or care about players anymore. I never heard of that Spanish wonder kid until a week ago. It’s either age or lost interest. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 14, 2024 8:46:24 GMT
If it wasn’t for Stoke I might give up on football. Most enjoyment I get from it if I’m not watching Stoke is a bet on a Saturday and watching the scores come in while having a pint. Too much punditry, too much agonising over 1 simple incident to fill time. The wokeness of the commentary teams and pundits, half of which can’t string a sentence together. Another nail will be half empty grounds because Sky are showing your team every other game. Same here. I used to watch loads of games on TV and have stopped that now. I only watch Stoke and England tbh nowadays. I even don’t know or care about players anymore. I never heard of that Spanish wonder kid until a week ago. It’s either age or lost interest. Probably a bit of both. I'd not heard of Konsa, or Guehi for that matter before the tournament started. |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 14, 2024 11:56:31 GMT
If it wasn’t for Stoke I might give up on football. Most enjoyment I get from it if I’m not watching Stoke is a bet on a Saturday and watching the scores come in while having a pint. Too much punditry, too much agonising over 1 simple incident to fill time. The wokeness of the commentary teams and pundits, half of which can’t string a sentence together. Another nail will be half empty grounds because Sky are showing your team every other game. I really can't see the Sky issue affecting crowds much at all. All championship games have been available to view on ifollow since Covid at least and it hasn't affected crowds at all infact they've increased across the league. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 14:00:28 GMT
If it wasn’t for Stoke I might give up on football. Most enjoyment I get from it if I’m not watching Stoke is a bet on a Saturday and watching the scores come in while having a pint. Too much punditry, too much agonising over 1 simple incident to fill time. The wokeness of the commentary teams and pundits, half of which can’t string a sentence together. Another nail will be half empty grounds because Sky are showing your team every other game. I really can't see the Sky issue affecting crowds much at all. All championship games have been available to view on ifollow since Covid at least and it hasn't affected crowds at all infact they've increased across the league. The difference is re the changing of KO times especially if more night matches that's what will affect gates |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 14, 2024 16:39:10 GMT
Players are better and teams are more organised on the whole. There are fewer mistakes meaning less excitement. Overexposure and the increase in the number of games doesn't help either.
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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 14, 2024 23:23:37 GMT
Players are better and teams are more organised on the whole. There are fewer mistakes meaning less excitement. Overexposure and the increase in the number of games doesn't help either. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there with the last bit. There are just too many games now, so for me it’s losing its appeal. Used to relish the real big games (arsenal vs Man Utd in the early 2000’s was great), but now it feels like there’s a big game every few days. There’s also less characters in the game, it’s all very samey. Burnley last season were a good example of a little of what football has become - relegated but playing the ‘Guardiola’ way, and the manager gets the Bayern job? What the actual f? I thought management was getting the best out of what you had? Seems not in this new world of football we live in |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 23:49:58 GMT
If it wasn’t for Stoke I might give up on football. Most enjoyment I get from it if I’m not watching Stoke is a bet on a Saturday and watching the scores come in while having a pint. Too much punditry, too much agonising over 1 simple incident to fill time. The wokeness of the commentary teams and pundits, half of which can’t string a sentence together. Another nail will be half empty grounds because Sky are showing your team every other game. You don’t have to watch the punditry? Wokeness 🤣🤣🤣🤣 People who use the term "woke" are such clowns 😂 always cracks me up When people use that term it translates to "i'm not smart enough to understand it so I don't like it" |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 15, 2024 5:26:21 GMT
Football has become more like basketball, they should bring in a shot clock! 😁
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 15, 2024 9:39:07 GMT
Players are better and teams are more organised on the whole. There are fewer mistakes meaning less excitement. Overexposure and the increase in the number of games doesn't help either. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there with the last bit. There are just too many games now, so for me it’s losing its appeal. Used to relish the real big games (arsenal vs Man Utd in the early 2000’s was great), but now it feels like there’s a big game every few days. There’s also less characters in the game, it’s all very samey. Burnley last season were a good example of a little of what football has become - relegated but playing the ‘Guardiola’ way, and the manager gets the Bayern job? What the actual f? I thought management was getting the best out of what you had? Seems not in this new world of football we live in Same here. I used to enjoy the English teams in the Champions League but stopped watching it when they kept expanding it and adding more teams from the same four countries - 20 years ago maybe? I haven't even watched most of the build-ups to England's matches - just bits and bobs - although I did have Radio 5 on while doing other stuff last night, so I suppose that's the same thing. It's not just football. F1 had 15 races a season when I started watching but now has 24. The only reason I still watch that is because of the highlights programmes. And all this in a time when there's more and more competing for our attentions. |
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Post by bhp on Jul 15, 2024 10:04:00 GMT
Players are better and teams are more organised on the whole. There are fewer mistakes meaning less excitement. Overexposure and the increase in the number of games doesn't help either. Pretty much sums it up. Everything is expanding, the champions league, club world cup, international tournaments even without the new 'nations league'. Newcastle & Spurs went Australia 1 week after the end of the season. Increase in games will affect the quality of the individual events, unless the plan is to reduce the duration which could be the next step.. Managers will want to preserve players for the next game, play more conservatively |
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Post by vngpotter on Jul 15, 2024 10:29:35 GMT
I think it is a pretty grim state of affairs.
I feel as though the whole picture for teams outside of the traditional big 4-8 teams(maybe including some of them actually) is a practically impossible mountain to climb where you must spend beyond your means to even tread water. The financial rules are laughable and seeing Man City wrap the Premier League in knots while every other club walks the tightrope is a mockery. I feel like, for Stoke to get back to even being in the top division, they would have to spend a vulgar amount of money to survive and I find myself asking 'what's the point?'
It seems almost certain that success is impossible for most clubs and I think it just breeds apathy.
I manage an international/expat team over here in Spain, and that gives me my fix and a lot of joy, but if I was still at home I think I would be following the local non-league scene more than Stoke. Which hurts to say after the absolute void it left during COVID.
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Post by independent on Jul 15, 2024 11:41:58 GMT
I think it is a pretty grim state of affairs. I feel as though the whole picture for teams outside of the traditional big 4-8 teams(maybe including some of them actually) is a practically impossible mountain to climb where you must spend beyond your means to even tread water. The financial rules are laughable and seeing Man City wrap the Premier League in knots while every other club walks the tightrope is a mockery. I feel like, for Stoke to get back to even being in the top division, they would have to spend a vulgar amount of money to survive and I find myself asking 'what's the point?' It seems almost certain that success is impossible for most clubs and I think it just breeds apathy. I manage an international/expat team over here in Spain, and that gives me my fix and a lot of joy, but if I was still at home I think I would be following the local non-league scene more than Stoke. Which hurts to say after the absolute void it left during COVID. I think that you are right.The money has ruined the game. Winning things is now possible only for a very few well financed clubs. The rest of the Premier league are playing for survival and hopefully a good cup run. The biggest clubs are acquiring 14 and 16 year old kids to add to their already huge rosters of players. The big clubs have made any decent player unaffordable for any club outside of the Premiership.This forces Championship clubs to pay for the privilege of developing players for Premier clubs. In the past these players would have been sold to smaller clubs or released on free transfers. Now they are rented out for a fee. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 15, 2024 12:16:39 GMT
I think football might be in trouble when the half time of a major tournament is extended to 25 minutes to accommodate a Shakira concert! Half Time Shakira gigand then apparently mimed anyway! link |
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Post by noustie on Jul 15, 2024 12:28:09 GMT
I think it is a pretty grim state of affairs. I feel as though the whole picture for teams outside of the traditional big 4-8 teams(maybe including some of them actually) is a practically impossible mountain to climb where you must spend beyond your means to even tread water. The financial rules are laughable and seeing Man City wrap the Premier League in knots while every other club walks the tightrope is a mockery. I feel like, for Stoke to get back to even being in the top division, they would have to spend a vulgar amount of money to survive and I find myself asking 'what's the point?' It seems almost certain that success is impossible for most clubs and I think it just breeds apathy. I manage an international/expat team over here in Spain, and that gives me my fix and a lot of joy, but if I was still at home I think I would be following the local non-league scene more than Stoke. Which hurts to say after the absolute void it left during COVID. I think that you are right.The money has ruined the game. Winning things is now possible only for a very few well financed clubs. The rest of the Premier league are playing for survival and hopefully a good cup run. The biggest clubs are acquiring 14 and 16 year old kids to add to their already huge rosters of players. The big clubs have made any decent player unaffordable for any club outside of the Premiership.This forces Championship clubs to pay for the privilege of developing players for Premier clubs. In the past these players would have been sold to smaller clubs or released on free transfers. Yeah mate agree - it’s basically business thrives on certainty whereas sport needs uncertainty or it’s boring. The thing they always miss though is they need all the diddy teams to make it viable but expect the punters of those clubs to keep dipping their hands in their pockets for competitions they’ve fuck all chance of winning. It got like that up here with Rangers and Celtic - folk just lose interest. Picked up a bit recently though as YouTube twats have managed make glory hunting cringey so are more interested in local teams - United have sold 6500 season tickets which is pretty good. |
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Post by noustie on Jul 15, 2024 12:35:01 GMT
It’s not a popular opinion probably but I’ve much preferred watching the last two women’s international tournaments in comparison to the men’s.
The women’s World Cup was fucking mint and like a throw back to childhood- random players know nowt about scoring some absolute bangers. The peno shootout between Australia and France was sporting theatre. The blokes is stale in comparison with the life and soul coached out of it - the women play with more freedom and are less polished so it’s far more fun watch.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 15, 2024 12:38:03 GMT
I think football might be in trouble when the half time of a major tournament is extended to 25 minutes to accommodate a Shakira concert! Half Time Shakira gigand then apparently mimed anyway! linkAnyone with eyes wouldn't be looking at her mouth anyway |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 15, 2024 21:38:49 GMT
I think it is a pretty grim state of affairs. I feel as though the whole picture for teams outside of the traditional big 4-8 teams(maybe including some of them actually) is a practically impossible mountain to climb where you must spend beyond your means to even tread water. The financial rules are laughable and seeing Man City wrap the Premier League in knots while every other club walks the tightrope is a mockery. I feel like, for Stoke to get back to even being in the top division, they would have to spend a vulgar amount of money to survive and I find myself asking 'what's the point?' It seems almost certain that success is impossible for most clubs and I think it just breeds apathy. I manage an international/expat team over here in Spain, and that gives me my fix and a lot of joy, but if I was still at home I think I would be following the local non-league scene more than Stoke. Which hurts to say after the absolute void it left during COVID. I think that you are right.The money has ruined the game. Winning things is now possible only for a very few well financed clubs. The rest of the Premier league are playing for survival and hopefully a good cup run. The biggest clubs are acquiring 14 and 16 year old kids to add to their already huge rosters of players. The big clubs have made any decent player unaffordable for any club outside of the Premiership.This forces Championship clubs to pay for the privilege of developing players for Premier clubs. In the past these players would have been sold to smaller clubs or released on free transfers. Now they are rented out for a fee. Not just Championship clubs but the Premier League impacts worldwide. The Champions League format no longer gives teams outside of Spain, Italy, England, and Germany (plus Paris St Germain) any chance of winning the competition. In the early 90s, Red Star Belgrade, Ajax and Marseille won it, with PSV and Steaua Bucharest in the 80s. Every country outside those 4 I mentioned has been absolutely shafted football-wise. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 15, 2024 21:45:10 GMT
Players are better and teams are more organised on the whole. There are fewer mistakes meaning less excitement. Overexposure and the increase in the number of games doesn't help either. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there with the last bit. There are just too many games now, so for me it’s losing its appeal. Used to relish the real big games (arsenal vs Man Utd in the early 2000’s was great), but now it feels like there’s a big game every few days. There’s also less characters in the game, it’s all very samey. Burnley last season were a good example of a little of what football has become - relegated but playing the ‘Guardiola’ way, and the manager gets the Bayern job? What the actual f? I thought management was getting the best out of what you had? Seems not in this new world of football we live in Man City with potentially 79 fixtures in the next year! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2q0zvkyrnyoWith constantly expanded international club tournaments and the European Championships and World Cup, it's domestic football that will continue to suffer. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 15, 2024 22:06:50 GMT
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there with the last bit. There are just too many games now, so for me it’s losing its appeal. Used to relish the real big games (arsenal vs Man Utd in the early 2000’s was great), but now it feels like there’s a big game every few days. There’s also less characters in the game, it’s all very samey. Burnley last season were a good example of a little of what football has become - relegated but playing the ‘Guardiola’ way, and the manager gets the Bayern job? What the actual f? I thought management was getting the best out of what you had? Seems not in this new world of football we live in Man City with potentially 79 fixtures in the next year! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2q0zvkyrnyoWith constantly expanded international club tournaments and the European Championships and World Cup, it's domestic football that will continue to suffer. That’s absolutely mad. I can’t imagine Man City fans are interested in every game they play at that rate? I’m sure there are a few that really live and breathe it but I’d say the majority surely must lose interest, or am I the crazy one? It’s practically 3 games every 2 weeks over the course of a full year, but considering it’s the football season only it probably works out at 2 games every single week of the season. I enjoy the bits in our seasons where we play once a week, on a Saturday. The tension builds all week leading up the game and then you know if we fuck it up, it’s a whole week before we get a chance to put it right. Feels like that adds to the drama of it and makes it a little special. Perhaps I’m just old school and the modern fans lap this shit up. |
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