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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2024 9:48:03 GMT
I just read online that Pickford has been using his water bottle to to put notes about opponents penalty taking preferences. Instructions saying dive left or right for each opponent etc. Good idea?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 10, 2024 9:50:51 GMT
I just read online that Pickford has been using his water bottle to to put notes about opponents penalty taking preferences. Instructions saying dive left or right for each opponent etc. Good idea? He's used a water bottle with penalty instructions for a few tournaments now.. Good idea, better to be prepared and Di your homework instead of taking a chance. |
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Post by bigun1863 on Jul 10, 2024 9:51:35 GMT
I just read online that Pickford has been using his water bottle to to put notes about opponents penalty taking preferences. Instructions saying dive left or right for each opponent etc. Good idea? Pretty sure it’s the norm. We did a grassroots tournament at the bet365 in may and went into the changing rooms and there was a water bottle with all the penalty taker’s favourite side to place the ball |
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Post by werrington on Jul 10, 2024 9:51:52 GMT
Cheat?
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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2024 9:52:25 GMT
I just read online that Pickford has been using his water bottle to to put notes about opponents penalty taking preferences. Instructions saying dive left or right for each opponent etc. Good idea? He's used a water bottle with penalty instructions for a few tournaments now.. Good idea, better to be prepared and Di your homework instead of taking a chance. OK until opponents pick his bottle up! |
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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2024 9:53:44 GMT
Just quoted the word, not my description really! |
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Post by flea79 on Jul 10, 2024 10:00:10 GMT
i still love the Bruce Grobbelar story about sneaking into a stadium too watch the opposition team take penalties before a final with Liverpool
the silly sod forgot to take into account the side of the stadium he was sat in and got every single one wrong
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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2024 10:01:02 GMT
I just read online that Pickford has been using his water bottle to to put notes about opponents penalty taking preferences. Instructions saying dive left or right for each opponent etc. Good idea? Pretty sure it’s the norm. We did a grassroots tournament at the bet365 in may and went into the changing rooms and there was a water bottle with all the penalty taker’s favourite side to place the ball Not likely to be a grass roots gk's bottle surely. Research would be difficult due to lack of video evidence I would think. |
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 10, 2024 10:07:56 GMT
It's up there with managers cheats of changing a formation to catch out the opposition.
Cheating cunts.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 10, 2024 10:13:57 GMT
Surely penalty takers all have at least 2 different penalties to use because of all the video evidence.
That kind of cancels everything out.
I would say its better to choose which way to dive in the moment, based upon how the penalty taker is lining up.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 10, 2024 10:15:52 GMT
Surely penalty takers all have at least 2 different penalties to use because of all the video evidence. That kind of cancels everything out. I would say its better to choose which way to dive in the moment, based upon how the penalty taker is lining up. Amazing how all these professionals choose to write it down. Are you from the Peter Shilton school of watch the ball go in and dive that way? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 10, 2024 10:21:35 GMT
The best thing to do is what Toney did. Perfect your technique so that you don't need to look at the ball and just watch the gk in your run up
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Post by melbournepotter on Jul 10, 2024 10:22:34 GMT
Goalkeepers water bottle instructions are apparently used a lot. Andrew Redmayne famously threw the opposition goalkeepers water bottle notes away, during a world cup qualifier penalty shootout against Peru.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 10, 2024 10:23:14 GMT
It's not cheating, but it's fair game if it gets launched into the crowd by the opposition, like the Crewe goalie did in the play-offs when Doncaster's keeper had done the same thing as Pickford. I expect tonight's won't be written on a water bottle, but somewhere else.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 10, 2024 10:25:26 GMT
Personally think it's a very clever thing to do..... Cheats are the divers who fake injury!!!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 10, 2024 10:32:27 GMT
Been happening for decades. They used to fold up a piece of paper with their notes on and put it with their towel in their net.
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Post by femark on Jul 10, 2024 10:49:24 GMT
Surely penalty takers all have at least 2 different penalties to use because of all the video evidence. That kind of cancels everything out. I would say its better to choose which way to dive in the moment, based upon how the penalty taker is lining up. Of course they don't always take the same type of penalty. The statistics will show that player A aims 60% of his penalties into the bottom right corner, so that is the way the keeper will dive. If you wait for the penalty taker there is not enough time to react and dive unless it is a poorly taken penalty. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 10, 2024 10:50:01 GMT
Rumours today that he's going to eat a note prior to kick off and if it goes to extra time, he's going to ram a few laxatives down him and shit out the opposition penalty instructions on the pitch. Clever, clever bastard.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 10, 2024 10:56:11 GMT
I thought it was normal, not sure it helps that much though. Every little helps I guess and it’s certainly not cheating
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 10, 2024 10:59:43 GMT
Surely penalty takers all have at least 2 different penalties to use because of all the video evidence. That kind of cancels everything out. I would say its better to choose which way to dive in the moment, based upon how the penalty taker is lining up. Of course they don't always take the same type of penalty. The statistics will show that player A aims 60% of his penalties into the bottom right corner, so that is the way the keeper will dive. If you wait for the penalty taker there is not enough time to react and dive unless it is a poorly taken penalty. I just dont think it helps. The penalty taker KNOWS the keeper has the stats on which way he shoots mainly. So surely the penalty taker would just go the other way. This knowledge works both ways. If you know where the keeper is going to dive beforehand its the easiest penalty ever to slot it into the other side of the goal. Or maybe not?!?!? Its all mind-games at the end of the day. Im sure Pickford doesnt ALWAYS follow whats written on the bottle - its just a guidance |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 10, 2024 11:00:22 GMT
He's hardly the first
Some had paper in their sock previously and keepers often knew where individuals put their kicks from TV etc
When Hugo Sanchez missed at the WC, the keeper said there was a Coca Cola advert running on TV constantly where Sanchez scored a pen so he dived that way and saved it
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2024 11:04:48 GMT
Might see the Dutch doing what the Crewe keeper did in the play offs at Doncaster if he does it again tonight
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 10, 2024 11:19:33 GMT
Jon Walters had a long spell of hitting them low and hard to the keepers right . Mignolet saved one, was obvious where was going if you'd seen him previously .
Was really surprised when Ireland got a pen in the play off final, I said to my Dad , Walters low to the keepers right which he did, sending the keeper the wrong way.
The keeper was Begovic, surely of all keepers he should have known that.
After missing a couple he went central, down the middle V Liverpool in a home game.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jul 10, 2024 11:21:42 GMT
It's not cheating, but it's fair game if it gets launched into the crowd by the opposition, like the Crewe goalie did in the play-offs when Doncaster's keeper had done the same thing as Pickford. I expect tonight's won't be written on a water bottle, but somewhere else. I have it from good authority that Harry kane will have the penalty instructions written on his right leg. At least there will be a reason for having him on the field for this game. Ivan Toney should start tonight ! |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 10, 2024 11:23:48 GMT
Because a goal keeper can now move along his line before the ball is struck, a canny penalty taker will do one of this hesitant run ups to see if the keeper commits himself then slots the ball in the other corner. Alternatively Kane just send a storm shadow missile high and to the keepers right.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 10, 2024 11:30:29 GMT
Of course they don't always take the same type of penalty. The statistics will show that player A aims 60% of his penalties into the bottom right corner, so that is the way the keeper will dive. If you wait for the penalty taker there is not enough time to react and dive unless it is a poorly taken penalty. I just dont think it helps. The penalty taker KNOWS the keeper has the stats on which way he shoots mainly. So surely the penalty taker would just go the other way. This knowledge works both ways. If you know where the keeper is going to dive beforehand its the easiest penalty ever to slot it into the other side of the goal. Or maybe not?!?!? Its all mind-games at the end of the day. Im sure Pickford doesnt ALWAYS follow whats written on the bottle - its just a guidance To be fair, like Roy Keane said, why didn't he save them all, if that was the case? Every player will favour a certain side but change it up every so often, not sure how much some written notes on water bottle actually work. Akanji's was also an awful penalty. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 10, 2024 11:53:34 GMT
I just dont think it helps. The penalty taker KNOWS the keeper has the stats on which way he shoots mainly. So surely the penalty taker would just go the other way. This knowledge works both ways. If you know where the keeper is going to dive beforehand its the easiest penalty ever to slot it into the other side of the goal. Or maybe not?!?!? Its all mind-games at the end of the day. Im sure Pickford doesnt ALWAYS follow whats written on the bottle - its just a guidance To be fair, like Roy Keane said, why didn't he save them all, if that was the case? Every player will favour a certain side but change it up every so often, not sure how much some written notes on water bottle actually work. Akanji's was also an awful penalty. Yep, the one he saved from Akanji was a shocking penalty. Was just a case of going the right way. I know Le Tiss never missed a Prem penalty, he missed one in the cup but surprised at Danny Zmurlys record, 31 out of 32. |
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Post by loosestools on Jul 10, 2024 12:30:05 GMT
Did Butland ever read his bottle?
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 10, 2024 12:44:25 GMT
Did Butland ever read his bottle? He couldn’t find his for years 🔴⚪️ |
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 10, 2024 12:44:35 GMT
Did Butland ever read his bottle? He seemed to lose it whenever someone got a penalty. |
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