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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 25, 2024 20:55:44 GMT
Pickford 5
Walker 5
Guehi 5
Stones 5
Trippier 4
Rice 5.5
Gallagher 4
Foden 5
Bellingham 4
Saka 4
Kane 4
Mainoo 6
Palmer 6
Trent n/a
Gordon n/a
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Post by ravey123 on Jun 25, 2024 20:56:42 GMT
Pickford 6
Tripier 4
Stones 4
Guehi 5
Walker 4
Bellingham 2
Gallagher 3
Rice 3
Saka 3
Foden 4
Kane 3
Palmer 7
Mainoo 4
Gordon 6
Arnold 3
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 25, 2024 20:59:43 GMT
Pickford 6
Walker 5
Stones 5
Guehi 6
Trippier 5
Rice 5
Gallagher 4
Saka 5
Bellingham 4
Foden 6
Kane 4
Mainoo 6
Palmer 7
Gordon 6
Alexander Arnold 5
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Post by redstriper on Jun 25, 2024 21:00:56 GMT
Pickford 5
Walker 5 - should have been rested
Guehi 5 - should have been rested
Stones 5 - should have been rested
Trippier 4 - should have been rested
Rice 5.5 - much better than the other day
Gallagher 4 - offers nothing
Foden 5 - should have been rested
Bellingham 4 - SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESTED
Saka 4 - should have been rested
Kane 4 - should have been rested
Mainoo 6 - could have started
Palmer 6 - could have started
Trent n/a - should have stared
Gordon n/a - could have started
Southgate 0. it was fucking obvious we should have played a different team tonight you complete fucking tool. You've just put another 90 minutes into the jaded and learned NOTHING about your squad. SLovenia must have laughed at that.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 25, 2024 21:25:36 GMT
Pickford 5 Walker 5 - should have been rested Guehi 5 - should have been rested Stones 5 - should have been rested Trippier 4 - should have been rested Rice 5.5 - much better than the other day Gallagher 4 - offers nothing Foden 5 - should have been rested Bellingham 4 - SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESTED Saka 4 - should have been rested Kane 4 - should have been rested Mainoo 6 - could have started Palmer 6 - could have started Trent n/a - should have stared Gordon n/a - could have started Southgate 0. it was fucking obvious we should have played a different team tonight you complete fucking tool. You've just put another 90 minutes into the jaded and learned NOTHING about your squad. SLovenia must have laughed at that. I don't disagree massively with the ratings butshould have almost completely changed the team! Really? |
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Post by redstriper on Jun 25, 2024 21:42:40 GMT
Pickford 5 Walker 5 - should have been rested Guehi 5 - should have been rested Stones 5 - should have been rested Trippier 4 - should have been rested Rice 5.5 - much better than the other day Gallagher 4 - offers nothing Foden 5 - should have been rested Bellingham 4 - SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESTED Saka 4 - should have been rested Kane 4 - should have been rested Mainoo 6 - could have started Palmer 6 - could have started Trent n/a - should have stared Gordon n/a - could have started Southgate 0. it was fucking obvious we should have played a different team tonight you complete fucking tool. You've just put another 90 minutes into the jaded and learned NOTHING about your squad. SLovenia must have laughed at that. I don't disagree massively with the ratings butshould have almost completely changed the team! Really? Yep absolutely. Massive missed opportunity, southgate was gifted the opportunity to rest whoever he liked, and he spurned it. He now has key players on yellow cards, and a clearly exhausted and ineffective bellingham, saka & foden. Plus he has no idea whether Watkins and Toney would or would not prove a dynamic, mobile front line who could pull defences around. He's always desperate not to admit his mistakes, so sticks with his favourites come what may. SLovenia are ranked 57th in the world, do you honstly believe they would have beaten England "B" ? Spain were already through before last night and changed 9 (i think) of their team. So, should we play them later in the tournament who do you think will have the fresher players ? |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 25, 2024 21:54:59 GMT
Pickford 5 nothing to do
Walker 5 ok
Stones 5 ok
Guehi 6 decent again
Trippier 4 poor
Rice 4 poor
Gallagher 3 stealing a place
Saka 4 about as cutting edge as a wet sock
Bellingham 4 looked tired and disinterested
Foden 6 tried to get the team going but didn't stand a chance
Kane 4 poor
Mainoo 6 did really well
Palmer 6 finally on the pitch
Gordon 6 cameo but deserved longer
Alexander Arnold 5 one shot at the end.
Southgate wank out of 10, as usual.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 26, 2024 6:46:43 GMT
I don't disagree massively with the ratings butshould have almost completely changed the team! Really? Yep absolutely. Massive missed opportunity, southgate was gifted the opportunity to rest whoever he liked, and he spurned it. He now has key players on yellow cards, and a clearly exhausted and ineffective bellingham, saka & foden. Plus he has no idea whether Watkins and Toney would or would not prove a dynamic, mobile front line who could pull defences around. He's always desperate not to admit his mistakes, so sticks with his favourites come what may. SLovenia are ranked 57th in the world, do you honstly believe they would have beaten England "B" ? Spain were already through before last night and changed 9 (i think) of their team. So, should we play them later in the tournament who do you think will have the fresher players ? Rest whoever he liked as Slovenia ranked 57th so England B would deal with them easily? Spain made 9 Changes? Players are clearly exhausted? Firstly Slovenia were not easily dealt with by England A and it wasn't just about us a Denmark goal would have changed the group standings. Spain were already confirmed as group winners so their game really was a dead rubber. Bellingham, Saka and Foden are not exhausted and ineffective. They along with England as a whole are being exposed as less than the super humans the press and many gullible fans had built them up to be. |
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Post by sportsman on Jun 26, 2024 6:51:50 GMT
If foden was 5 the rest were 3. Foden was by far the only player to start who showed effort and willing to make something happen especially first half
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 26, 2024 6:57:08 GMT
I think some of the so called superstars are believing their own hype, many aren't as good as they or we believe..That said Ian Wright wanted to play Saka as a left back next game😳😳
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 26, 2024 7:09:08 GMT
Pickford 6
Walker 5
Guehi 6
Stones 6
Trippier 5
Rice 6
Gallagher 4
Foden 6.5
Bellingham 4
Saka 4
Kane 5
Mainoo 7
Palmer 7
Trent 5
Gordon 6
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 26, 2024 7:21:42 GMT
Pickford 5 Walker 5 - should have been rested Guehi 5 - should have been rested Stones 5 - should have been rested Trippier 4 - should have been rested Rice 5.5 - much better than the other day Gallagher 4 - offers nothing Foden 5 - should have been rested Bellingham 4 - SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESTED Saka 4 - should have been rested Kane 4 - should have been rested Mainoo 6 - could have started Palmer 6 - could have started Trent n/a - should have stared Gordon n/a - could have started Southgate 0. it was fucking obvious we should have played a different team tonight you complete fucking tool. You've just put another 90 minutes into the jaded and learned NOTHING about your squad. SLovenia must have laughed at that. have i red your marks right should have been rested? or should it have red with another diabolical performance like that by overpaid players who only pass sideways and back,, should it have red should have been arrested,we are embarrassing to watch |
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Post by baconburger on Jun 26, 2024 7:29:20 GMT
I think some of the so called superstars are believing their own hype, many aren't as good as they or we believe..That said Ian Wright wanted to play Saka as a left back next game😳😳 Should depend on who we’re playing. You could have easily got away with playing Saka and TAA at FB last night. If you’re going to continue to play 2 deep lying midfielders against poor opposition you’d be better off giving your FB licence than the deep lying midfielders more freedom there’s very little structure to the midfield they’re just adding to the congestion but that doesn’t suit Kane’s wandering. You can overlap and overload out wide but then you’ve got no one to hit. |
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Post by redstriper on Jun 26, 2024 8:14:19 GMT
Yep absolutely. Massive missed opportunity, southgate was gifted the opportunity to rest whoever he liked, and he spurned it. He now has key players on yellow cards, and a clearly exhausted and ineffective bellingham, saka & foden. Plus he has no idea whether Watkins and Toney would or would not prove a dynamic, mobile front line who could pull defences around. He's always desperate not to admit his mistakes, so sticks with his favourites come what may. SLovenia are ranked 57th in the world, do you honstly believe they would have beaten England "B" ? Spain were already through before last night and changed 9 (i think) of their team. So, should we play them later in the tournament who do you think will have the fresher players ? Rest whoever he liked as Slovenia ranked 57th so England B would deal with them easily? Spain made 9 Changes? Players are clearly exhausted? Firstly Slovenia were not easily dealt with by England A and it wasn't just about us a Denmark goal would have changed the group standings. Spain were already confirmed as group winners so their game really was a dead rubber. Bellingham, Saka and Foden are not exhausted and ineffective. They along with England as a whole are being exposed as less than the super humans the press and many gullible fans had built them up to be. Bellingham and Foden have just been voted as the two best players in the two strongest the leagues in the world! That isn't hype is it ?... they're clearly underperforming and that comes down to a manager who keeps playing one out of position and the other when he could have given him a clearly much needed rest. England are struggling because of one man and his over cautious and inflexible approach. It's as simple as that. He can't change his mindset, he's missed a massive opportunity to gain an advantage, and he's lucky man that Denmark failed to beat the serbs. It's his mentality and approach which served him well as a defender, but simply isn't what's needed to get the best out of a very talented group of attacking players. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 26, 2024 8:35:42 GMT
Spain were already confirmed as group winners so their game really was a dead rubber. I think it's more than that. Spain worked out a team that plays well. Southgate has failed to get a single good performance out of the "first" team. That's a good argument for trying to work out how to fix it. |
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Post by Veritas on Jun 26, 2024 8:41:48 GMT
Rest whoever he liked as Slovenia ranked 57th so England B would deal with them easily? Spain made 9 Changes? Players are clearly exhausted? Firstly Slovenia were not easily dealt with by England A and it wasn't just about us a Denmark goal would have changed the group standings. Spain were already confirmed as group winners so their game really was a dead rubber. Bellingham, Saka and Foden are not exhausted and ineffective. They along with England as a whole are being exposed as less than the super humans the press and many gullible fans had built them up to be. Bellingham and Foden have just been voted as the two best players in the two strongest the leagues in the world! That isn't hype is it ?... they're clearly underperforming and that comes down to a manager who keeps playing one out of position and the other when he could have given him a clearly much needed rest. England are struggling because of one man and his over cautious and inflexible approach. It's as simple as that. He can't change his mindset, he's missed a massive opportunity to gain an advantage, and he's lucky man that Denmark failed to beat the serbs. It's his mentality and approach which served him well as a defender, but simply isn't what's needed to get the best out of a very talented group of attacking players. Bellingham in particular has been hyped as Messi standard and the team as a whole as likely tournament winners. This is on the basis of how they have qualified under Southgate, despite having some obviously weaker area within the team. The reality is even good sides struggle to break down well organised mass defences such as Slovenia last night. We may continue to struggle and an exit on Sunday bring to an end a disappointing campaign. Equally like under Bobby Robson in 86 & 90 a disappointing group stage, both teams were booed by fans and dammed in the press, may turn into a much better knockout phase as teams play more open football. However it goes Southgate already has a tournament final, semi & quater final under his belt a record only bettered by one Alf Ramsey. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 26, 2024 9:04:57 GMT
Pickford 6- Didn't have a lot to do but no mistakes.
Guehi 7- Thought he was solid again.
Palmer 7- Changed the game when he came on.
Mainoo 7- See Palmer.
The rest a 5 and that's being generous.
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Post by redstriper on Jun 26, 2024 9:19:40 GMT
Bellingham and Foden have just been voted as the two best players in the two strongest the leagues in the world! That isn't hype is it ?... they're clearly underperforming and that comes down to a manager who keeps playing one out of position and the other when he could have given him a clearly much needed rest. England are struggling because of one man and his over cautious and inflexible approach. It's as simple as that. He can't change his mindset, he's missed a massive opportunity to gain an advantage, and he's lucky man that Denmark failed to beat the serbs. It's his mentality and approach which served him well as a defender, but simply isn't what's needed to get the best out of a very talented group of attacking players. Bellingham in particular has been hyped as Messi standard and the team as a whole as likely tournament winners. This is on the basis of how they have qualified under Southgate, despite having some obviously weaker area within the team. The reality is even good sides struggle to break down well organised mass defences such as Slovenia last night. We may continue to struggle and an exit on Sunday bring to an end a disappointing campaign. Equally like under Bobby Robson in 86 & 90 a disappointing group stage, both teams were booed by fans and dammed in the press, may turn into a much better knockout phase as teams play more open football. However it goes Southgate already has a tournament final, semi & quater final under his belt a record only bettered by one Alf Ramsey. Have you not considered the fact that Slovenia appeared well organised because they knew exactly what to expect from Southgate ? They presumably watched the other two games and simply matched up, he gave them nothing new to think about. You can say his tournament record is good all you like, but he has already spunked the best chance we've had in my lifetime to win a tournament by bottling the final on our home turf against aging inferior opposition. I actually don't dislike the fella, he's a good ambassador in many ways, well meaning but risk averse, stubborn and uninspiring, reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. The people who have let him have another try should be getting much of the flak. |
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Post by Veritas on Jun 26, 2024 9:21:50 GMT
Bellingham in particular has been hyped as Messi standard and the team as a whole as likely tournament winners. This is on the basis of how they have qualified under Southgate, despite having some obviously weaker area within the team. The reality is even good sides struggle to break down well organised mass defences such as Slovenia last night. We may continue to struggle and an exit on Sunday bring to an end a disappointing campaign. Equally like under Bobby Robson in 86 & 90 a disappointing group stage, both teams were booed by fans and dammed in the press, may turn into a much better knockout phase as teams play more open football. However it goes Southgate already has a tournament final, semi & quater final under his belt a record only bettered by one Alf Ramsey. Have you not considered the fact that Slovenia appeared well organised because they knew exactly what to expect from Southgate ? They presumably watched the other two games and simply matched up, he gave them nothing new to think about. You can say his tournament record is good all you like, but he has already spunked the best chance we've had in my lifetime to win a tournament by bottling the final on our home turf against aging inferior opposition. I actually don't dislike the fella, he's a good ambassador in many ways, well meaning but risk averse, stubborn and uninspiring, reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. The people who have let him have another try should be getting much of the flak. Reminds you of Neville Chamberlain! What Mark's brother? |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jun 26, 2024 10:44:16 GMT
Pickford 5 Foden 5 The rest fucking dogshit! As for Southgate the quicker he fucks off the better, I can't stand watching Garethball anymore. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2024 10:47:19 GMT
Pickford 6- Didn't have a lot to do but no mistakes. Guehi 7- Thought he was solid again. Palmer 7- Changed the game when he came on. Mainoo 7- See Palmer. The rest a 5 and that's being generous. Changed the game? He was decent but we still failed to create anything of note. In fact he missed probably our best chance. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2024 10:50:43 GMT
Bellingham in particular has been hyped as Messi standard and the team as a whole as likely tournament winners. This is on the basis of how they have qualified under Southgate, despite having some obviously weaker area within the team. The reality is even good sides struggle to break down well organised mass defences such as Slovenia last night. We may continue to struggle and an exit on Sunday bring to an end a disappointing campaign. Equally like under Bobby Robson in 86 & 90 a disappointing group stage, both teams were booed by fans and dammed in the press, may turn into a much better knockout phase as teams play more open football. However it goes Southgate already has a tournament final, semi & quater final under his belt a record only bettered by one Alf Ramsey. Have you not considered the fact that Slovenia appeared well organised because they knew exactly what to expect from Southgate ? They presumably watched the other two games and simply matched up, he gave them nothing new to think about. You can say his tournament record is good all you like, but he has already spunked the best chance we've had in my lifetime to win a tournament by bottling the final on our home turf against aging inferior opposition. I actually don't dislike the fella, he's a good ambassador in many ways, well meaning but risk averse, stubborn and uninspiring, reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. The people who have let him have another try should be getting much of the flak. Slovenia played for the draw that they needed, opposition was irrelevant. We failed to break them down which for the talent we have is disappointing. The manager needs a rethink. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 26, 2024 11:03:02 GMT
Pickford 5 Foden 5 The rest fucking dogshit! As for Southgate the quicker he fucks off the better, I can't stand watching Garethball anymore. Gouranga. Over the years Albert I think me and you think a lot alike. Very very rare I don't agree with your scores mate. 👍 |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 26, 2024 11:04:11 GMT
Have you not considered the fact that Slovenia appeared well organised because they knew exactly what to expect from Southgate ? They presumably watched the other two games and simply matched up, he gave them nothing new to think about. You can say his tournament record is good all you like, but he has already spunked the best chance we've had in my lifetime to win a tournament by bottling the final on our home turf against aging inferior opposition. I actually don't dislike the fella, he's a good ambassador in many ways, well meaning but risk averse, stubborn and uninspiring, reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. The people who have let him have another try should be getting much of the flak. Slovenia played for the draw that they needed, opposition was irrelevant. We failed to break them down which for the talent we have is disappointing. The manager needs a rethink. The manager needs a "fuck off, you tactically devoid tosser" |
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Post by werrington on Jun 26, 2024 11:35:33 GMT
I think some of the so called superstars are believing their own hype, many aren't as good as they or we believe..That said Ian Wright wanted to play Saka as a left back next game😳😳 As it stands he’s the best option as 1 we have no left footed full back 2 he’s played left back and can run at people 3 he’s havin an absolute shocking tournament so far |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 26, 2024 12:31:58 GMT
Pickford 6- Didn't have a lot to do but no mistakes. Guehi 7- Thought he was solid again. Palmer 7- Changed the game when he came on. Mainoo 7- See Palmer. The rest a 5 and that's being generous. Changed the game? He was decent but we still failed to create anything of note. In fact he missed probably our best chance. In as much as he looked a threat mate. If he'd had longer maybe we'd have won but you could see the difference he made. |
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Post by redstriper on Jun 26, 2024 12:52:30 GMT
I think some of the so called superstars are believing their own hype, many aren't as good as they or we believe..That said Ian Wright wanted to play Saka as a left back next game😳😳 As it stands he’s the best option as 1 we have no left footed full back 2 he’s played left back and can run at people 3 he’s havin an absolute shocking tournament so far No 3 is harsh considering he was our only positive attacking outlet in the first half of game one. I'd suggest, "not great" rather than shocking, because some of the others have been abysmal when compared to him. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Jun 26, 2024 13:32:16 GMT
I CBA to try. Just like most of them last night.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 26, 2024 14:41:29 GMT
Changed the game? He was decent but we still failed to create anything of note. In fact he missed probably our best chance. In as much as he looked a threat mate. If he'd had longer maybe we'd have won but you could see the difference he made. No you couldn't |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 26, 2024 20:01:30 GMT
In as much as he looked a threat mate. If he'd had longer maybe we'd have won but you could see the difference he made. No you couldn't Ok I couldn't see that he made a difference because you say so 👍 |
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