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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 16, 2024 21:00:47 GMT
Pickford - Did nothing wrong and a good save (7)
Walker - Good energy, used his experience (7)
Stones- Doesn’t look quite right (6)
Guehi - Thought he was excellent defensively (8)
Trippier - Solid enough but looks what he is, out of position (6)
Rice - Very good, was needed (7)
Alexander Arnold - Not much came off (6)
Bellingham- Superb in every department (8)
Saka - Bright first half, anonymous second (7)
Foden - Worst performance I’ve ever seen him have (4)
Kane - Feeding off scraps but held it up well (5)
Gallagher - Just what we needed at the time, did well (7)
Bowen - A good outlet, nice run and cross for Kane (7)
Mainoo - N/A
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 16, 2024 21:09:43 GMT
Pickford 6 - some good saves but distribution was terrible
Walker 6
Stones 6
Guehi 7 - slightly better than the other three at the back
Trippier 6
Rice 8 - quality, especially when most around him were far from it
TAA 5 - not as bad as Foden was, but another who looked out of place (and was)
Foden 4 - he’s not a LW, but what he did he did badly
Bellingham 8 - brilliant goal and like Rice you could see a proper player
Saka 6 - first half 7, second half 5
Kane 5 - won plenty of free kicks and had little service
Southgate 4 - we won in a tournament game so it can’t really be any lower, but the first half wasn’t great and what on earth did he say at half time? The 2nd half was absolute garbage. Take your foot off the gas if you’re 4 up against 10 man Scotland but that could easily have been a draw.
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Post by march4 on Jun 16, 2024 21:11:17 GMT
A whole load of 6s with Foden on 5 and TAA on 4. If anyone deserved a 7 it’s Rice.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2024 21:20:11 GMT
Pickford 6
Walker 6
Stones 6
Guehi 6
Trippier 6
Rice 5
TAA 3
Bellingham 6.5
Saka 6.5
Kane 3
Foden 3
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Post by Davef on Jun 16, 2024 21:22:05 GMT
Pickford 6 Walker 6 Stones 6 Guehi 6 Trippier 6 Rice 5 TAA 3 Bellingham 6.5 Saka 6.5 Kane 3 Foden 3 Bellingham 6.5...have a day off. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 16, 2024 21:26:23 GMT
Pickford 7
Walker 7
Stones 7
Guehi 7
Trippier 6
Rice 8
TAA 6
Bellingham 9 ...outstanding
Saka 7
Kane 5
Foden 4 ...needs to improve at this level.
Gallagher 6
Bowen 7
Excellent first win against a very physical side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2024 21:28:42 GMT
Pickford 6 Walker 6 Stones 6 Guehi 6 Trippier 6 Rice 5 TAA 3 Bellingham 6.5 Saka 6.5 Kane 3 Foden 3 Bellingham 6.5...have a day off. Good goal but created nothing else, didn’t have another chance and yeah was fine but what did he do? We were gash second half, first half he scored a very good goal, turned nicely a few times and yeah that was about it. 6.5 seems fair for a decent performance. |
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Post by upthefud on Jun 16, 2024 21:49:05 GMT
Trent was dogshit. Seems to be getting plaudits but I can’t see how
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 16, 2024 21:50:20 GMT
Take a look at the ratings on Sky Sports. Think Southgate has done them
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 16, 2024 21:52:39 GMT
Pickford 7
Walker 6
Stones 6
Guehi 7
Trippier 6
Rice 8
TAA 5
Bellingham 8.5
Saka 6.5
Kane 5
Foden 4
Gallagher 6
Bowen 6.5
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 16, 2024 22:02:48 GMT
Take a look at the ratings on Sky Sports. Think Southgate has done them He may have done them he’s done every bugger else |
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Post by jordan2009 on Jun 16, 2024 22:30:08 GMT
The positive is we've just won only our second opening game of a Euros tournament.
We're so slow in position, especially when teams just sit in. We looked massively off the pace, leggy at times. There's a few who have missed large parts of the season, there's a couple who are carrying knocks, and it told. Foden is absolute class for City, he doesn't have the same effect on the England team. That for me is purely down to the head coach.Southgate is just not good enough. TAA gets in because he plays for Liverpool and certain pundits: Jonas, Ferdinand and Wright think he's the second coming. He's miles out of his depth in midfield
This team needs a proper tactical forward thinking coach
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 16, 2024 22:56:36 GMT
Bellingham 6.5...have a day off. Good goal but created nothing else, didn’t have another chance and yeah was fine but what did he do? We were gash second half, first half he scored a very good goal, turned nicely a few times and yeah that was about it. 6.5 seems fair for a decent performance. Personally thought all his best work came deeper and even the goal came from him starting the move from deep. We have to move him to play as an 8 and move Foden inside to play as a 10. Southgate won’t though. He’ll drop Foden before doing that. Trent was shite and will be badly exposed vs the strong teams. |
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Post by Pottersfan on Jun 16, 2024 23:15:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 23:43:54 GMT
Bellingham 7, everyone else gave about a 6 or a 5. Nobody really produced anything of note. Kane was worse and so was Foden.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 17, 2024 6:14:01 GMT
Pickford 6
Walker 7
Stones 6
Geuhi 7
Trippier 6
Trent 5
Bellingham 8
Rice 7
Saka 6
Kane 5
Foden 4
Gallagher 6
Bowen 6
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Post by Veritas on Jun 17, 2024 8:43:53 GMT
First of all a win is a win no team ever won a tournament in the first game but have sown the seeds of failure so its 3pts and move on.
Pickford 7 Nothing much to do
Walker 7 Solid
Guehi 7 Solid
Stones 6 on occasion looked vulnerable against pace
Tripper 6 OK but LB is a worry
Rice 5 Moved the ball too slowly and a little overrun at times
Trent Arnold 5 See Rice
Saka 6 Good 1st half then disappeared
Bellingham 6 Good goal but too often slowed down play
Foden 4 Anonymous should have been subbed at HT
Kane 4 Nearly scored with a header but nothing else,should have been subbed
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 17, 2024 8:50:16 GMT
Pickford 5: terrible punch awful distribution made a save I’d expect Bonham to make
Walker 7 decent
Guehi 7 decent
Stones 6. Not his best
Trippier 6: like Stoke England needs LB
Rice 6: decent first half, panic second half
TAA: 5, not a midfield player
Bellingham 7: poor 2nd half, gets an extra mark for the goal
Saka 7: unable to get any possession in the chaos of our 2 nd half passing
Foden: 4 awful
Kane 6: victim of awful passing
Gallagher 6: brought energy
Bowen 7: energy and some aggression
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 17, 2024 8:53:23 GMT
Pickford 6 Walker 6 Stones 6 Guehi 6 Trippier 6 Rice 5 TAA 3 Bellingham 6.5 Saka 6.5 Kane 3 Foden 3 Bellingham 6.5...have a day off. An hour off would be a start. |
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Post by senojbor on Jun 17, 2024 9:46:19 GMT
Anyone would think we were playing Sunday league side and not a decent side who have done well in recent years.
Serbia were physical and hard to beat. Good win for us all 7
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 17, 2024 9:58:21 GMT
Anyone would think we were playing Sunday league side and not a decent side who have done well in recent years. Serbia were physical and hard to beat. Good win for us all 7 Serbia were OK. England won; job done. How many of their team would get selected in an England squad? |
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Post by redstriper on Jun 17, 2024 10:05:20 GMT
Pickford 7
Walker 7
Guehi 7
Stones 7
Trippier 6
Rice 8 - absolutely essential when the going gets tough
TAA: 5 - largely ineffective
Bellingham 8 - temperament is a concern
Saka 7: - our best hope in possession
Foden: 4 - unsuited to the game Southgate expects him to play
Kane 5 - ineffective, but he is a slow starter in tournaments
Gallagher 5: plenty of energy but never looks up to standard to me
Bowen 6: reliable
The warnings were posted prior to the game that Serbia would be troublesome if we were too negative and deep. We were exactly that after the first 30 mins.
If we are to progress beyond the group stages Southgate needs to change his Foden plan, the role he was given reduces one of the most creative attacking players in the tournament to a utility player. Either give him the freedom to play him properly or play Bowen from the start and bring him on when the oppo are tiring.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 17, 2024 10:48:33 GMT
Pickford 7 Walker 7 Guehi 7 Stones 7 Trippier 6 Rice 8 - absolutely essential when the going gets tough TAA: 5 - largely ineffective Bellingham 8 - temperament is a concern Saka 7: - our best hope in possession Foden: 4 - unsuited to the game Southgate expects him to play Kane 5 - ineffective, but he is a slow starter in tournaments Gallagher 5: plenty of energy but never looks up to standard to me Bowen 6: reliable The warnings were posted prior to the game that Serbia would be troublesome if we were too negative and deep. We were exactly that after the first 30 mins. If we are to progress beyond the group stages Southgate needs to change his Foden plan, the role he was given reduces one of the most creative attacking players in the tournament to a utility player. Either give him the freedom to play him properly or play Bowen from the start and bring him on when the oppo are tiring. Building a team around one player - any player - will only get you so far. Its the team that are the best team that wins tournaments, not the one with the best player. Foden doesn't seem to suit the system and if that is the case he needs to dropped for someone who does. I didn't think TAA suited his role either and we looked uncertain and disjointed for much of the game. Southgate needs to work out his best team and if it really is the one last night we aren't going to win this tournament. Having said that it was a job dine against a very aggressive side with strikers who could punish you. I can see Serbia giving some other teams a bit of a fright this tournament. |
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Post by redstriper on Jun 17, 2024 11:32:51 GMT
Pickford 7 Walker 7 Guehi 7 Stones 7 Trippier 6 Rice 8 - absolutely essential when the going gets tough TAA: 5 - largely ineffective Bellingham 8 - temperament is a concern Saka 7: - our best hope in possession Foden: 4 - unsuited to the game Southgate expects him to play Kane 5 - ineffective, but he is a slow starter in tournaments Gallagher 5: plenty of energy but never looks up to standard to me Bowen 6: reliable The warnings were posted prior to the game that Serbia would be troublesome if we were too negative and deep. We were exactly that after the first 30 mins. If we are to progress beyond the group stages Southgate needs to change his Foden plan, the role he was given reduces one of the most creative attacking players in the tournament to a utility player. Either give him the freedom to play him properly or play Bowen from the start and bring him on when the oppo are tiring. Building a team around one player - any player - will only get you so far. Its the team that are the best team that wins tournaments, not the one with the best player. Foden doesn't seem to suit the system and if that is the case he needs to dropped for someone who does. I didn't think TAA suited his role either and we looked uncertain and disjointed for much of the game. Southgate needs to work out his best team and if it really is the one last night we aren't going to win this tournament. Having said that it was a job dine against a very aggressive side with strikers who could punish you. I can see Serbia giving some other teams a bit of a fright this tournament. Stifling your most creative players takes you down to the level of the mediocre and plays into the hands of the opposition, we played the serbs on their terms, not ours, Southgate is still way too cautious. You play your best players in their best positions, Foden has just been voted premier player of the season ffs! |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 17, 2024 11:58:57 GMT
Anyone would think we were playing Sunday league side and not a decent side who have done well in recent years. Serbia were physical and hard to beat. Good win for us all 7 Serbia were OK. England won; job done. How many of their team would get selected in an England squad? All of them. Players not playing for England are always better than the ones that are. |
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Post by kerouac on Jun 17, 2024 12:35:54 GMT
Take a look at the ratings on Sky Sports. Think Southgate has done them There does seem to be a bit of a “let’s keep things positive”doesn’t there…. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 17, 2024 13:03:24 GMT
Building a team around one player - any player - will only get you so far. Its the team that are the best team that wins tournaments, not the one with the best player. Foden doesn't seem to suit the system and if that is the case he needs to dropped for someone who does. I didn't think TAA suited his role either and we looked uncertain and disjointed for much of the game. Southgate needs to work out his best team and if it really is the one last night we aren't going to win this tournament. Having said that it was a job dine against a very aggressive side with strikers who could punish you. I can see Serbia giving some other teams a bit of a fright this tournament. Stifling your most creative players takes you down to the level of the mediocre and plays into the hands of the opposition, we played the serbs on their terms, not ours, Southgate is still way too cautious. You play your best players in their best positions, Foden has just been voted premier player of the season ffs! You don't play your best players in their best positions if the resulting team is an unstructured mess and you don't structure the England team around Foden or any other single player. You assess your squad, work out the formation that gets the best out of the squad and then play the best players to fit in that formation so that it functions best as a team. And that might mean dropping your best player. Grealish and Foden are a case in point. He was head and shoulders above anyone in the Villa team and they sructured their play around him. They did ok but were never going to win anything it's dead easy to counter a team that play that way. At Man City he hasn't been a regular starter because Guardiola picks his best team and Grealish doesn't really fit in that setup. Foden looks good because he excesl in that setup but that doesn't mean he will excel in another setting |
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Post by degoeystache on Jun 17, 2024 13:05:39 GMT
Pickford 6 not a great amount to do
Walker 6 great burst forward in the first half
Stones 6 looked a bit shaky at times
Guehi 7 one misplaced pass but looked decisive
Trippier 6 absolutely crying out for a left footed left back
Trent 5 looked uneasy at CM
Rice 7 mopped up well but too slow moving the ball
Bellingham 8 good goal, broke up the play and carried the ball well
Saka 6 very good first half, anonymous second half
Kane 5 sacrificed his usual play to try create space. Tough battle with centre half. Unlucky not to score
Foden 4 really poor. Did some little lay offs but nothing else. Needs to carry the ball and look to beat his man. Even his passing was poor
Southgate 5 nice to start with a win but after a good 20-30 mins Serbia started to get into the game and we started to sit deeper. Second half we let them control the game and didn’t try to seize the initiative. Foden should have been hooked and I would have put Watkins on for Kane to run the channels and stretch their defence as they pushed further forward.
For me we need Shaw back ASAP, drop trent and move Bellingham deeper, Foden to play behind Kane and Eze or Gordon on the left
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