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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 20:04:47 GMT
The elephant in the room here, that the left have to ignore, in this enlightened age.....where are the women? There’s one directly behind Rayner 😉 |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 28, 2024 20:27:34 GMT
The elephant in the room here, that the left have to ignore, in this enlightened age.....where are the women? There’s one directly behind Rayner 😉 That does balance things up. Where's Wally? images.app.goo.gl/GRWdt4NoJm5JeYbKA |
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 28, 2024 20:42:36 GMT
Is she at the Garrick Club or the Flyfishers Club?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 28, 2024 20:45:27 GMT
Is she at the Garrick Club or the Flyfishers Club? Brilliant |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 28, 2024 20:47:55 GMT
The elephant in the room here, that the left have to ignore, in this enlightened age.....where are the women? There’s one directly behind Rayner 😉 Are women allowed into mosques? Or do they have restrictions... |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 28, 2024 21:01:02 GMT
How many front pages did The Mail dedicate to *another* nonsensical story?
Embarrassing.
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Post by wannabee on May 28, 2024 22:38:34 GMT
Is she at the Garrick Club or the Flyfishers Club? I think this may be a trick question 🤓 You rascal you know the Flyfishers are holding out by not admitting Women and the Garrick Club have relented only today to do so. Your subtle question was correlated to not only not seeing any Elephants 🐘 but also no women. Mickey who is less subtle came right out and asked a direct so I'll answer his question first Yes, but like most Organisations, Religious or otherwise misogyny still prevails This misogyny is not limited, the "True Church" The Church of England which our King is head of and the Defender of the Faith also participates Being an enlightened and progressive Country the Church of England volunteered a whole ten years ago to allow women to become Bishops in Church of England That decision was caveated however by an Amendment to the Equalities Sct at the request of the Synod. As Church of England Ecclesiastical Law is passed by UK Parliament the misogyny was adopted into English Law, happy days. I'm happy I don't believe in this Religious Bollocks and one-upmanship of my preferred claptrap www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/11/female-clergy-face-institutionalised-discrimination-campaigners-claim |
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 29, 2024 6:59:40 GMT
Is she at the Garrick Club or the Flyfishers Club? I think this may be a trick question 🤓 You rascal you know the Flyfishers are holding out by not admitting Women and the Garrick Club have relented only today to do so. Your subtle question was correlated to not only not seeing any Elephants 🐘 but also no women. Mickey who is less subtle came right out and asked a direct so I'll answer his question first Yes, but like most Organisations, Religious or otherwise misogyny still prevails This misogyny is not limited, the "True Church" The Church of England which our King is head of and the Defender of the Faith also participates Being an enlightened and progressive Country the Church of England volunteered a whole ten years ago to allow women to become Bishops in Church of England That decision was caveated however by an Amendment to the Equalities Sct at the request of the Synod. As Church of England Ecclesiastical Law is passed by UK Parliament the misogyny was adopted into English Law, happy days. I'm happy I don't believe in this Religious Bollocks and one-upmanship of my preferred claptrap www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/11/female-clergy-face-institutionalised-discrimination-campaigners-claimI'm not being critical of the faithful, more the hipocracy of Rayner. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 29, 2024 7:03:16 GMT
I think this may be a trick question 🤓 You rascal you know the Flyfishers are holding out by not admitting Women and the Garrick Club have relented only today to do so. Your subtle question was correlated to not only not seeing any Elephants 🐘 but also no women. Mickey who is less subtle came right out and asked a direct so I'll answer his question first Yes, but like most Organisations, Religious or otherwise misogyny still prevails This misogyny is not limited, the "True Church" The Church of England which our King is head of and the Defender of the Faith also participates Being an enlightened and progressive Country the Church of England volunteered a whole ten years ago to allow women to become Bishops in Church of England That decision was caveated however by an Amendment to the Equalities Sct at the request of the Synod. As Church of England Ecclesiastical Law is passed by UK Parliament the misogyny was adopted into English Law, happy days. I'm happy I don't believe in this Religious Bollocks and one-upmanship of my preferred claptrap www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/11/female-clergy-face-institutionalised-discrimination-campaigners-claimI'm not being critical of the faithful, more the hipocracy of Rayner. Of course, the issue of Bishops is completely irrelevant in context |
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Post by phileetin on May 29, 2024 8:59:03 GMT
1984-2024 orwell was right
at least hmrc have been put on the case , might still get a resignation 
Orwell was right about what?
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Post by Eggybread on May 29, 2024 9:05:23 GMT
There’s one directly behind Rayner 😉 Are women allowed into mosques? Or do they have restrictions... Yes they are. |
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Post by spitthedog on May 29, 2024 9:59:09 GMT
It’s not where she started though, is it? “ Rayner was born Angela Bowen on the Bridgehall estate, Stockport, in March 1980, the second of three children. Her mother Lynn was one of 12 kids born to out-of-work parents. Lynn had never been to school. “I followed the fair,” was how she described her upbringing to her daughter. Beyond the fact that her mum was from Wythenshawe (“like Marcus Rashford”) and her dad from Stockport, Rayner has “no idea” of her family’s background. “I don’t want to go on Who Do You Think You Are? I dread to think who I am! I just think: I know what I know.” It’s worth noting that former Tory chancellor Sajid Javid’s mother was also illiterate, but regularly marched young Sajid to the local library to study. Lynn, by contrast, was in spirals of suicidal despair. For long periods she was unable to get out of bed. Rayner became her carer: feeding her, washing her, once even sleeping at the end of her bed, “in case she did something”. Their house was a tip. The children were covered in dog fur, tidemarks of dirt visible on their skin. Food was sausage with chips; chips with chips. On Sundays they traipsed two miles to their nan’s high-rise for a hot bath and to have uniforms washed in her twin tub. “We used to play on the old disused railway lines aged five, and that was eight streets away from where I lived. I’d be nervous about my 14-year-old going eight streets away, let alone a five-year-old.” Their father was largely “out” – sometimes overnight, sometimes having “walked out” – his mood unpredictable on his return. Rayner remembers the slam of the front door and mimes a frightened gasp, zipping her mouth in fear. “As a child, little things are big. Your dad’s come home and he’s angry. How do you not breathe so they don’t see you hiding?” She doesn’t analyse her parents’ relationship: “That’s for them.” But watching her mother’s collapse each time her dad left made her feel “a byproduct of their relationship. We weren’t, like, wanted. I don’t really feel like I’ve ever been loved, or needed love, because I’ve never had it, in that way.” “ amp.theguardian.com/global/2024/mar/23/angela-rayner-roots-rough-edges-ready-for-powerShe’s come from a rough upbringing, left school at 16 when pregnant and had to rebuild her life thereafter. There really are not a lot of politicians who make it far that didn’t get much handed to them, but she is one of them. But currently middle class nonetheless. Or are you permanently one or the other? Being someone who was brought up in a working class household in Longton (6 generations of coal miners) and then graduated into University working environments I feel that my working class roots have never left me, and moreso I am consistently reminded of them when surrounded by people who have obviously been brought up in more privileged settings. You are made conscious of it all of the time in meetings and dialogues. The way I speak, the way I engage with others, the way others engage with me, my motivations and interests etc. I still find I more comfortably communicate with others who have been brought up in similar low socio-economic backgrounds (rare though though they are in these settings). edit: I always find myself chatting to the office staff rather than fellow academics at staff gatherings for example. They are the only ones interested in football for a start! I think working class roots are difficult to shake off even if you try your hardest (not that I do) but I definitely have been guilty of trying to hide them and feeling intimidated in certain situations. I'm not sure whether its just a personal thing or not. |
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Post by wannabee on May 29, 2024 10:26:56 GMT
I'm not being critical of the faithful, more the hipocracy of Rayner. Of course, the issue of Bishops is completely irrelevant in context The issue raised was one of hypocrisy, where do we even start with that. The issue first came to Public attention when Billionaire Non Dom Lord Ashcroft wrote an unauthorised biography of Angela Rayner entitled Red Queen which was liberally serialised in the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday for a whole Week Ashcroft performed forensic research asking Curtain Twitchers Rayners Neighbours about the comings and goings and who were coming and going at the Council House Rayner bought in 2007 aged 27 for her and her 11 year old son. An "allegation" by Ashcroft in his weighty tome is that three years later Rayner got married to a chap who had a house nearby. Ashcroft speculates that when Rayner sold her Council House in 2015 she MAY HAVE avoided paying £3,500 in Capital Gains Tax if her permanent residence was at her husbands address. Rayner denied this claim and maintained her permanent address remained at her Council House with her son aged 14 when she married and 19 when she sold the house. Maybe it's only Toffs who can have access to more than one residence Before moving on let's take a quick look at the Author. Ashcroft in 2000 was the Conservatives largest Donor and Party Treasurer and for his largesse to the Conservative Peer with the condition he relinquish his Non Dom status which he pledged to William Hague he would do, but didn't. In 2010 it became Law that Peers must be UK tax resident and Ashcroft gave another pledge this time to David Cameron he would give up his Non Dom Status, but didn't. In 2017 the Panama Papers released documents that proved Ashcroft had retained his Non Dom Status saying himself an estimated up to $200M in Tax. So who is the snitch that reported Rayner MAY HAVE avoided paying £3,500 in CGT Ah yes that would be Deputy Conservative Party Chairman James Daly. A forgettable figure who once came to prominence for saying delinquent children in his North Bury Constituency was because of Crap Parents, his words not mine. At the time of Daly's allegations he did the whole gambit of TV Interviews but refused in each to say what his allegation was, some Interviews were quite bizarre you may recall. Which leads us to Manchester Police who confirmed they had received a complaint (Daly) and were investigating. Extraordinary as they have no Mandate or Power to investigate Tax that is done by HMRC FIS. They did leak that they had 12 Bobby's on the Job so I guess they may have been doing something. Maybe they were reinterviewing Ashcrofts Curtain Twitchers as to Rayners living and sleeping arrangements lest she put the wrong address on the Electoral Register Obviously the Manchester Police had tipped off HMRC and Stockport Council that they were releasing a Statement as within minutes both issued a Statement saying they were not going to add to the colossal waste of time and money they had no open enquiries And what about the misogyny angle you introduced BigJohn do you draw a distinction between a group of Muslim Men having a meeting exclusively male, presumably women excluded or not raised in Status to a group of Anglican Clergy having a meeting deliberately excluding women and copperfastened under English Law. Why is it not in context when you questioned "where are the women" It seems there may be more elephants 🐘 in rooms that we were not aware of, Ian mentioned two more rooms. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 29, 2024 11:02:04 GMT
Orwell was right about what?
Thanks for this Phil but what is the link that you're making to Angela Rayner? |
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Post by wagsastokie on May 29, 2024 11:20:39 GMT
Is she at the Garrick Club or the Flyfishers Club? I think this may be a trick question 🤓 You rascal you know the Flyfishers are holding out by not admitting Women and the Garrick Club have relented only today to do so. Your subtle question was correlated to not only not seeing any Elephants 🐘 but also no women. Mickey who is less subtle came right out and asked a direct so I'll answer his question first Yes, but like most Organisations, Religious or otherwise misogyny still prevails This misogyny is not limited, the "True Church" The Church of England which our King is head of and the Defender of the Faith also participates Being an enlightened and progressive Country the Church of England volunteered a whole ten years ago to allow women to become Bishops in Church of England That decision was caveated however by an Amendment to the Equalities Sct at the request of the Synod. As Church of England Ecclesiastical Law is passed by UK Parliament the misogyny was adopted into English Law, happy days. I'm happy I don't believe in this Religious Bollocks and one-upmanship of my preferred claptrap www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/11/female-clergy-face-institutionalised-discrimination-campaigners-claimI’m looking forward to when men can join the wi I do a mean cupcake |
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Post by riverman on May 29, 2024 11:34:29 GMT
The elephant in the room here, that the left have to ignore, in this enlightened age.....where are the women? There’s one directly behind Rayner 😉 Which of course could be her assistant. She's not wearing a hijab and looks of European heritage to me. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 29, 2024 11:55:22 GMT
Of course, the issue of Bishops is completely irrelevant in context The issue raised was one of hypocrisy, where do we even start with that. The issue first came to Public attention when Billionaire Non Dom Lord Ashcroft wrote an unauthorised biography of Angela Rayner entitled Red Queen which was liberally serialised in the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday for a whole Week Ashcroft performed forensic research asking Curtain Twitchers Rayners Neighbours about the comings and goings and who were coming and going at the Council House Rayner bought in 2007 aged 27 for her and her 11 year old son. An "allegation" by Ashcroft in his weighty tome is that three years later Rayner got married to a chap who had a house nearby. Ashcroft speculates that when Rayner sold her Council House in 2015 she MAY HAVE avoided paying £3,500 in Capital Gains Tax if her permanent residence was at her husbands address. Rayner denied this claim and maintained her permanent address remained at her Council House with her son aged 14 when she married and 19 when she sold the house. Maybe it's only Toffs who can have access to more than one residence Before moving on let's take a quick look at the Author. Ashcroft in 2000 was the Conservatives largest Donor and Party Treasurer and for his largesse to the Conservative Peer with the condition he relinquish his Non Dom status which he pledged to William Hague he would do, but didn't. In 2010 it became Law that Peers must be UK tax resident and Ashcroft gave another pledge this time to David Cameron he would give up his Non Dom Status, but didn't. In 2017 the Panama Papers released documents that proved Ashcroft had retained his Non Dom Status saying himself an estimated up to $200M in Tax. So who is the snitch that reported Rayner MAY HAVE avoided paying £3,500 in CGT Ah yes that would be Deputy Conservative Party Chairman James Daly. A forgettable figure who once came to prominence for saying delinquent children in his North Bury Constituency was because of Crap Parents, his words not mine. At the time of Daly's allegations he did the whole gambit of TV Interviews but refused in each to say what his allegation was, some Interviews were quite bizarre you may recall. Which leads us to Manchester Police who confirmed they had received a complaint (Daly) and were investigating. Extraordinary as they have no Mandate or Power to investigate Tax that is done by HMRC FIS. They did leak that they had 12 Bobby's on the Job so I guess they may have been doing something. Maybe they were reinterviewing Ashcrofts Curtain Twitchers as to Rayners living and sleeping arrangements lest she put the wrong address on the Electoral Register Obviously the Manchester Police had tipped off HMRC and Stockport Council that they were releasing a Statement as within minutes both issued a Statement saying they were not going to add to the colossal waste of time and money they had no open enquiries And what about the misogyny angle you introduced BigJohn do you draw a distinction between a group of Muslim Men having a meeting exclusively male, presumably women excluded or not raised in Status to a group of Anglican Clergy having a meeting deliberately excluding women and copperfastened under English Law. Why is it not in context when you questioned "where are the women" It seems there may be more elephants 🐘 in rooms that we were not aware of, Ian mentioned two more rooms. I'm not quite that intense really. The issue I raised was that in general Islam does not treat women equally. I'm sorry Wannabee I can't read today's lesson. ( mind you, if you want to make a link between Angela and hypocrisy that's your prerogative) |
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Post by wannabee on May 29, 2024 14:02:51 GMT
The issue raised was one of hypocrisy, where do we even start with that. The issue first came to Public attention when Billionaire Non Dom Lord Ashcroft wrote an unauthorised biography of Angela Rayner entitled Red Queen which was liberally serialised in the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday for a whole Week Ashcroft performed forensic research asking Curtain Twitchers Rayners Neighbours about the comings and goings and who were coming and going at the Council House Rayner bought in 2007 aged 27 for her and her 11 year old son. An "allegation" by Ashcroft in his weighty tome is that three years later Rayner got married to a chap who had a house nearby. Ashcroft speculates that when Rayner sold her Council House in 2015 she MAY HAVE avoided paying £3,500 in Capital Gains Tax if her permanent residence was at her husbands address. Rayner denied this claim and maintained her permanent address remained at her Council House with her son aged 14 when she married and 19 when she sold the house. Maybe it's only Toffs who can have access to more than one residence Before moving on let's take a quick look at the Author. Ashcroft in 2000 was the Conservatives largest Donor and Party Treasurer and for his largesse to the Conservative Peer with the condition he relinquish his Non Dom status which he pledged to William Hague he would do, but didn't. In 2010 it became Law that Peers must be UK tax resident and Ashcroft gave another pledge this time to David Cameron he would give up his Non Dom Status, but didn't. In 2017 the Panama Papers released documents that proved Ashcroft had retained his Non Dom Status saying himself an estimated up to $200M in Tax. So who is the snitch that reported Rayner MAY HAVE avoided paying £3,500 in CGT Ah yes that would be Deputy Conservative Party Chairman James Daly. A forgettable figure who once came to prominence for saying delinquent children in his North Bury Constituency was because of Crap Parents, his words not mine. At the time of Daly's allegations he did the whole gambit of TV Interviews but refused in each to say what his allegation was, some Interviews were quite bizarre you may recall. Which leads us to Manchester Police who confirmed they had received a complaint (Daly) and were investigating. Extraordinary as they have no Mandate or Power to investigate Tax that is done by HMRC FIS. They did leak that they had 12 Bobby's on the Job so I guess they may have been doing something. Maybe they were reinterviewing Ashcrofts Curtain Twitchers as to Rayners living and sleeping arrangements lest she put the wrong address on the Electoral Register Obviously the Manchester Police had tipped off HMRC and Stockport Council that they were releasing a Statement as within minutes both issued a Statement saying they were not going to add to the colossal waste of time and money they had no open enquiries And what about the misogyny angle you introduced BigJohn do you draw a distinction between a group of Muslim Men having a meeting exclusively male, presumably women excluded or not raised in Status to a group of Anglican Clergy having a meeting deliberately excluding women and copperfastened under English Law. Why is it not in context when you questioned "where are the women" It seems there may be more elephants 🐘 in rooms that we were not aware of, Ian mentioned two more rooms. I'm not quite that intense really. The issue I raised was that in general Islam does not treat women equally. I'm sorry Wannabee I can't read today's lesson. ( mind you, if you want to make a link between Angela and hypocrisy that's your prerogative) I guess you don't do irony, I didn't, but I did make the claim of Hypocrisy against the person who started the speculation, he didn't even make a claim but it was enough for the Tory Press to make it Front Page Headlines for more than a week. Then another Tory Idiot revived the Bullshit for another period of time wasting Police Time. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 29, 2024 14:04:33 GMT
I'm not quite that intense really. The issue I raised was that in general Islam does not treat women equally. I'm sorry Wannabee I can't read today's lesson. ( mind you, if you want to make a link between Angela and hypocrisy that's your prerogative) I guess you don't do irony, I didn't, but I did make the claim of Hypocrisy against the person who started the speculation, he didn't even make a claim but it was enough for the Tory Press to make it Front Page Headlines for more than a week. Then another Tory Idiot revived the Bullshit for another period of time wasting Police Time. No it's gone completely over my head sorry about that. |
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Post by Kpsje on May 29, 2024 16:53:13 GMT
^ i concur, foz. 1) press mute 2) skip to 1.45 3) press play 4) enjoy chav porn i still won’t be voting labour on july 4th… (smiley face) |
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Post by Northy on May 29, 2024 17:16:48 GMT
The elephant in the room here, that the left have to ignore, in this enlightened age.....where are the women? There’s one directly behind Rayner 😉 A white woman, part of her team ? There isn't any Muslim women |
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Post by felonious on May 29, 2024 19:54:23 GMT
There’s one directly behind Rayner 😉 Are women allowed into mosques? Or do they have restrictions... Yes via the "Sisters entrance" I believe. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 30, 2024 4:48:19 GMT
Working class woman talks to Muslim men. This country is seriously fucked. For that alone she should be investigated for crimes she didn't commit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2024 7:17:10 GMT
Working class woman talks to Muslim men. This country is seriously fucked. For that alone she should be investigated for crimes she didn't commit. The misogyny around her is just awful tbh. And then you have people with a lack of critical thinking skills piling in because the Daily Mail says so. She should sue the DM and the silly MP that started all this. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 30, 2024 7:40:43 GMT
It’s not where she started though, is it? “ Rayner was born Angela Bowen on the Bridgehall estate, Stockport, in March 1980, the second of three children. Her mother Lynn was one of 12 kids born to out-of-work parents. Lynn had never been to school. “I followed the fair,” was how she described her upbringing to her daughter. Beyond the fact that her mum was from Wythenshawe (“like Marcus Rashford”) and her dad from Stockport, Rayner has “no idea” of her family’s background. “I don’t want to go on Who Do You Think You Are? I dread to think who I am! I just think: I know what I know.” It’s worth noting that former Tory chancellor Sajid Javid’s mother was also illiterate, but regularly marched young Sajid to the local library to study. Lynn, by contrast, was in spirals of suicidal despair. For long periods she was unable to get out of bed. Rayner became her carer: feeding her, washing her, once even sleeping at the end of her bed, “in case she did something”. Their house was a tip. The children were covered in dog fur, tidemarks of dirt visible on their skin. Food was sausage with chips; chips with chips. On Sundays they traipsed two miles to their nan’s high-rise for a hot bath and to have uniforms washed in her twin tub. “We used to play on the old disused railway lines aged five, and that was eight streets away from where I lived. I’d be nervous about my 14-year-old going eight streets away, let alone a five-year-old.” Their father was largely “out” – sometimes overnight, sometimes having “walked out” – his mood unpredictable on his return. Rayner remembers the slam of the front door and mimes a frightened gasp, zipping her mouth in fear. “As a child, little things are big. Your dad’s come home and he’s angry. How do you not breathe so they don’t see you hiding?” She doesn’t analyse her parents’ relationship: “That’s for them.” But watching her mother’s collapse each time her dad left made her feel “a byproduct of their relationship. We weren’t, like, wanted. I don’t really feel like I’ve ever been loved, or needed love, because I’ve never had it, in that way.” “ . You were lucky because we had it tough…..we lived in a cardboard box in middle of t' road  |
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