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Post by cobhamstokey on May 27, 2024 19:27:18 GMT
If you don't agree with it then don't mate but not everything you don't agree with is racist. Wanting to stop immigration is racist. Surely it depends on the reasoning though? If itās purely based on someoneās colour / religion yes it is if itās because of other factors / arguments eg lack of infrastructure to cope no it isnāt. These arguments are never that straight forward and shouldnāt be simply dismissed in the same old way by the same old labelling. There are cases where some comments / arguments are racist but certainly not all.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 27, 2024 19:37:58 GMT
Not really. Trying to come up with a proper plan as to how we're going to sort all our infrastructure to deal with another 10m people is quite obviously a sensible thing to suggest. Otherwise when it all starts falling apart because we don't have the infrastructure things will become very difficult indeed. Looking at it from that angle it most definitely isn't racist. But you do you and just shout racist š I think it's to do with the context it's posted in Mickey. Posting petitions calling for an end to all immigration isn't in of itself racist but when they're posted by the same poster who started the thread titled 'More cultural enrichment', then the lines obviously start to become blurred. I get that nuance. I'm just looking at it from a practical level. But of course this is something incumbent govts should have been doing decades ago. But of course we can't organise a lash up in a brewery in this country anymore. The current idiots couldn't manage a 150 odd mile railway line ffs. But truth is truth and if we carry on adding to our population as we are without ensuring we have adequate infrastructure then things will unravel very quickly indeed. And people screaming racist at the drop of a hat don't help us to have this much needed debate in my opinion.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 27, 2024 19:44:02 GMT
Not really. Trying to come up with a proper plan as to how we're going to sort all our infrastructure to deal with another 10m people is quite obviously a sensible thing to suggest. Otherwise when it all starts falling apart because we don't have the infrastructure things will become very difficult indeed. Looking at it from that angle it most definitely isn't racist. But you do you and just shout racist š I think it's to do with the context it's posted in Mickey. Posting petitions calling for an end to all immigration isn't in and of itself racist but when they're posted by the same poster who started the thread titled 'More cultural enrichment', then the lines obviously start to become blurred. Do you need those steps again to get down from that high horsešAs Iāve said on many occasions many in this country will reap what theyāve sown in the coming years and itāll be whoād have thought it
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 27, 2024 20:20:14 GMT
I think it's to do with the context it's posted in Mickey. Posting petitions calling for an end to all immigration isn't in and of itself racist but when they're posted by the same poster who started the thread titled 'More cultural enrichment', then the lines obviously start to become blurred. Do you need those steps again to get down from that high horsešAs Iāve said on many occasions many in this country will reap what theyāve sown in the coming years and itāll be whoād have thought it There's nothing 'high horse' about it. I didn't belittle you personally, I said that you posting a link to a petition to holt all immigration in a thread that you have titled 'More cultural enrichment', takes on a different context, to when that petition is viewed in isolation.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 27, 2024 20:24:32 GMT
If you don't agree with it then don't mate but not everything you don't agree with is racist. Wanting to stop immigration is racist. Up there with the stupidest things youāve ever posted. Jesus wept
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 27, 2024 20:28:29 GMT
I think it's to do with the context it's posted in Mickey. Posting petitions calling for an end to all immigration isn't in of itself racist but when they're posted by the same poster who started the thread titled 'More cultural enrichment', then the lines obviously start to become blurred. I get that nuance. I'm just looking at it from a practical level. But of course this is something incumbent govts should have been doing decades ago. But of course we can't organise a lash up in a brewery in this country anymore. The current idiots couldn't manage a 150 odd mile railway line ffs. But truth is truth and if we carry on adding to our population as we are without ensuring we have adequate infrastructure then things will unravel very quickly indeed. And people screaming racist at the drop of a hat don't help us to have this much needed debate in my opinion. Racist!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 27, 2024 20:28:40 GMT
Wanting to stop immigration is racist. Up there with the stupidest things youāve ever posted. Jesus wept Not so sure, he thinks Kane is shyte at football š š
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 27, 2024 20:32:39 GMT
Do you need those steps again to get down from that high horsešAs Iāve said on many occasions many in this country will reap what theyāve sown in the coming years and itāll be whoād have thought it There's nothing 'high horse' about it. I didn't belittle you personally, I said that you posting a link to a petition to holt all immigration in a thread that you have titled 'More cultural enrichment', takes on a different context, to when that petition is viewed in isolation. That makes a change then because that superiority comes across in the majority of posts you make in my opinion. Folk in this country have had enough no matter what you and your chronies on this message board think,end of
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Post by felonious on May 27, 2024 20:39:27 GMT
Not sure what to believe in this thread, in terms of tweets, but my position on anyone not respecting others or the rule of law, or the country they reside in, is that they should be severely punished. And if not native, then kicked out. What do you mean by "native"? British citizen? If so how is possible to determine if someone is or isn't a British citizen by the footage? I suspect most people on here believe that they're British citizens and if the link to Eritrea is correct that they've come here for their own personal safety to avoid the violence and conflict in that country.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 27, 2024 20:47:16 GMT
Wanting to stop immigration is racist. Up there with the stupidest things youāve ever posted. Jesus wept It's up there with Kane is shite for sure.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 27, 2024 20:48:29 GMT
I get that nuance. I'm just looking at it from a practical level. But of course this is something incumbent govts should have been doing decades ago. But of course we can't organise a lash up in a brewery in this country anymore. The current idiots couldn't manage a 150 odd mile railway line ffs. But truth is truth and if we carry on adding to our population as we are without ensuring we have adequate infrastructure then things will unravel very quickly indeed. And people screaming racist at the drop of a hat don't help us to have this much needed debate in my opinion. Racist! Calm down Badge! I've always said you are nothing but Bayern's puppet š
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 27, 2024 21:06:35 GMT
I get that nuance. I'm just looking at it from a practical level. But of course this is something incumbent govts should have been doing decades ago. But of course we can't organise a lash up in a brewery in this country anymore. The current idiots couldn't manage a 150 odd mile railway line ffs. But truth is truth and if we carry on adding to our population as we are without ensuring we have adequate infrastructure then things will unravel very quickly indeed. And people screaming racist at the drop of a hat don't help us to have this much needed debate in my opinion. Racist! Have we got stuck in a carps/mono time loop?
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 27, 2024 21:07:05 GMT
Calm down Badge! I've always said you are nothing but Bayern's puppet š Glove or string?
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Post by cvillestokie on May 27, 2024 21:08:44 GMT
I think it's to do with the context it's posted in Mickey. Posting petitions calling for an end to all immigration isn't in of itself racist but when they're posted by the same poster who started the thread titled 'More cultural enrichment', then the lines obviously start to become blurred. I get that nuance. I'm just looking at it from a practical level. But of course this is something incumbent govts should have been doing decades ago. But of course we can't organise a lash up in a brewery in this country anymore. The current idiots couldn't manage a 150 odd mile railway line ffs. But truth is truth and if we carry on adding to our population as we are without ensuring we have adequate infrastructure then things will unravel very quickly indeed. And people screaming racist at the drop of a hat don't help us to have this much needed debate in my opinion. The problem with not adding to a population in a capitalist society is that the debt is always carried forward, ie, this generation is paid for by the next (and so on). People living into old age are expensive. With more people living into old age, you need more and more people of working age coming in and propping up the system. We could simply āmake more kidsā but the cost of doing so can be very high on individual families. We could just cut the old and infirm off at the hip but that doesnāt seem very British, in my opinion.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 27, 2024 21:48:21 GMT
I get that nuance. I'm just looking at it from a practical level. But of course this is something incumbent govts should have been doing decades ago. But of course we can't organise a lash up in a brewery in this country anymore. The current idiots couldn't manage a 150 odd mile railway line ffs. But truth is truth and if we carry on adding to our population as we are without ensuring we have adequate infrastructure then things will unravel very quickly indeed. And people screaming racist at the drop of a hat don't help us to have this much needed debate in my opinion. The problem with not adding to a population in a capitalist society is that the debt is always carried forward, ie, this generation is paid for by the next (and so on). People living into old age are expensive. With more people living into old age, you need more and more people of working age coming in and propping up the system. We could simply āmake more kidsā but the cost of doing so can be very high on individual families. We could just cut the old and infirm off at the hip but that doesnāt seem very British, in my opinion. That's a valid point. The problem I'm highlighting is that for decades now we haven't been planning the infrastructure for any of it. We have the most ridiculous planning system and laws that keep everything stuck in the system. Sometimes for decades. We can't even build enough houses. Its going to become a simple game of numbers very soon. And a tipping point will come with it. I build houses for a living and I also have strategic land interests. I have a planning application currently in the system that I submitted nearly 3 years ago. And they haven't even managed to obtain all the consultation responses from the statutory consultees. In 3 fucking years. And its an allocated site ffs. We're fucked unless somehow there is a complete 180 on how we get shit done in this country. Happy clapping our way to 5, 6 or 10m new residents based on how we are upgrading infrastructure simply isn't going to work. And we're going to find out what the consequences of that are sooner or later. It won't be pretty..
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 27, 2024 21:53:48 GMT
Thereāll be a civil war within the next seven years of that I have complete certainty.
Tensions are at boiling point, people have had enough.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 27, 2024 22:01:19 GMT
The problem with not adding to a population in a capitalist society is that the debt is always carried forward, ie, this generation is paid for by the next (and so on). People living into old age are expensive. With more people living into old age, you need more and more people of working age coming in and propping up the system. We could simply āmake more kidsā but the cost of doing so can be very high on individual families. We could just cut the old and infirm off at the hip but that doesnāt seem very British, in my opinion. That's a valid point. The problem I'm highlighting is that for decades now we haven't been planning the infrastructure for any of it. We have the most ridiculous planning system and laws that keep everything stuck in the system. Sometimes for decades. We can't even build enough houses. Its going to become a simple game of numbers very soon. And a tipping point will come with it. I build houses for a living and I also have strategic land interests. I have a planning application currently in the system that I submitted nearly 3 years ago. And they haven't even managed to obtain all the consultation responses from the statutory consultees. In 3 fucking years. And its an allocated site ffs. We're fucked unless somehow there is a complete 180 on how we get shit done in this country. Happy clapping our way to 5, 6 or 10m new residents based on how we are upgrading infrastructure simply isn't going to work. And we're going to find out what the consequences of that are sooner or later. It won't be pretty.. Couldnāt agree more. Infrastructure is a graveyard for political ambitions. I know you donāt like Biden but his infrastructure bill has at least partly looked at beginning to do something that has been ignored for decades over here as well. This is what it entails: www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/06/fact-sheet-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-deal/The problem is, well, look at those numbers for expenditure. You have to be all-in on the idea of spending a tonne of money and creating political ammunition for your rivals come the discussion on the debt ceiling. I donāt see Starmer or Sunak being brave enough to do that.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 27, 2024 22:12:25 GMT
That's a valid point. The problem I'm highlighting is that for decades now we haven't been planning the infrastructure for any of it. We have the most ridiculous planning system and laws that keep everything stuck in the system. Sometimes for decades. We can't even build enough houses. Its going to become a simple game of numbers very soon. And a tipping point will come with it. I build houses for a living and I also have strategic land interests. I have a planning application currently in the system that I submitted nearly 3 years ago. And they haven't even managed to obtain all the consultation responses from the statutory consultees. In 3 fucking years. And its an allocated site ffs. We're fucked unless somehow there is a complete 180 on how we get shit done in this country. Happy clapping our way to 5, 6 or 10m new residents based on how we are upgrading infrastructure simply isn't going to work. And we're going to find out what the consequences of that are sooner or later. It won't be pretty.. Couldnāt agree more. Infrastructure is a graveyard for political ambitions. I know you donāt like Biden but his infrastructure bill has at least partly looked at beginning to do something that has been ignored for decades over here as well. This is what it entails: www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/06/fact-sheet-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-deal/The problem is, well, look at those numbers for expenditure. You have to be all-in on the idea of spending a tonne of money and creating political ammunition for your rivals come the discussion on the debt ceiling. I donāt see Starmer or Sunak being brave enough to do that. Its not Bidens politics I dislike per se. I just find him irritating. He came in on this bandwagon of being a unifier, the classic fireside grand pops. I've seen anything but from my limited exposure to American politics. I got into it a lot over lockdown but for my own mental health I backed away. There's enough craziness with our lot over here to be spending too much time on the two geriatrics over there š I understand democracy slows infrastructure planning down. Its a price we pay. But the Chinese and Russia don't have these problems. The west needs to consider this more than they appear to be doing because its the very thing that will seal our fate otherwise in my humble opinion.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 27, 2024 22:15:10 GMT
That's a valid point. The problem I'm highlighting is that for decades now we haven't been planning the infrastructure for any of it. We have the most ridiculous planning system and laws that keep everything stuck in the system. Sometimes for decades. We can't even build enough houses. Its going to become a simple game of numbers very soon. And a tipping point will come with it. I build houses for a living and I also have strategic land interests. I have a planning application currently in the system that I submitted nearly 3 years ago. And they haven't even managed to obtain all the consultation responses from the statutory consultees. In 3 fucking years. And its an allocated site ffs. We're fucked unless somehow there is a complete 180 on how we get shit done in this country. Happy clapping our way to 5, 6 or 10m new residents based on how we are upgrading infrastructure simply isn't going to work. And we're going to find out what the consequences of that are sooner or later. It won't be pretty.. Couldnāt agree more. Infrastructure is a graveyard for political ambitions. I know you donāt like Biden but his infrastructure bill has at least partly looked at beginning to do something that has been ignored for decades over here as well. This is what it entails: www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/06/fact-sheet-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-deal/The problem is, well, look at those numbers for expenditure. You have to be all-in on the idea of spending a tonne of money and creating political ammunition for your rivals come the discussion on the debt ceiling. I donāt see Starmer or Sunak being brave enough to do that. Some good headlines in that bill. Hopefully a good start. Lets see what our clowns can come up with š
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Post by musik on May 27, 2024 22:23:45 GMT
What doctors?
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Post by musik on May 27, 2024 22:24:52 GMT
Thereāll be a civil war within the next seven years of that I have complete certainty. Tensions are at boiling point, people have had enough. The same up here. I hear it daily.
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Post by musik on May 27, 2024 22:45:36 GMT
Wanting to stop immigration is racist. Surely it depends on the reasoning though? If itās purely based on someoneās colour / religion yes it is if itās because of other factors / arguments eg lack of infrastructure to cope no it isnāt. These arguments are never that straight forward and shouldnāt be simply dismissed in the same old way by the same old labelling. There are cases where some comments / arguments are racist but certainly not all. Not necessarily religion. I can't think of one f@cking single place on this Earth where all religions are equally accepted. So the best solution would probably be not to continue with the experiment and mix any religions anywhere on this planet, since they're not compatible.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 27, 2024 22:52:43 GMT
An incredible 44k signatures ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 28, 2024 1:52:53 GMT
Calm down Badge! I've always said you are nothing but Bayern's puppet š Glove or string? Gonna have to edge towards glove. I don't know why it just seems right to me.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 28, 2024 8:10:21 GMT
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Post by foster on May 28, 2024 8:22:22 GMT
As much as I dislike Nige for his EU stance, I kind of agree with him looking at how things have gone in France and are going in Belgium. He's right that that there are growing communities that do not respect western values. If Richards only argument is that Farage is using emotive language, then he needs a reality check. Perhaps he should get out a bit more and mingle with the commoners.
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Post by felonious on May 28, 2024 9:17:56 GMT
The pro immigration line is that the immigrants coming here are doctors, nurses, carers, etc needed to prop up the system. Having said that I've never seen doctors, nurses and carers beating the shit out of each other as in the above video......
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Post by foster on May 28, 2024 9:44:13 GMT
The pro immigration line is that the immigrants coming here are doctors, nurses, carers, etc needed to prop up the system. Having said that I've never seen doctors, nurses and carers beating the shit out of each other as in the above video...... Be nice, these are the people that will support us when we're all old and retired mate.
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Post by frasier37 on May 28, 2024 10:03:14 GMT
"a sign of intelligence is an awareness of one's own ignorance"
Niccolo Machiavelli
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Post by cvillestokie on May 28, 2024 10:17:43 GMT
Brexit didnāt work so now we must just ignore Human Rights as well. Farageās desire to see a ātough Britainā in the mold of communist Russia is ever-progressing, I see.
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