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Post by gawa on May 23, 2024 10:39:27 GMT
people like you with quotes like that widen the divide What’s a person like me supposed to mean?And what do you disagree with regarding my comments? They have done damage ,fact ,and the far right divide people fact. If anything they united people in the last 2 elections. They barely stood any candidates reducing their vote share significantly and basically handed the tories power. Had they stood the number of candidates they usually did then corbyn would have won. Obviously this election they seem to be willing to stand lots of candidates again even though Labour are set for a landslide - they have no issue dividing the right wing vote. Nearly as if those on the right are quite content with the thought of a Starmer win and Labour landslide. Must not see him as a threat and more of the status quo.
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Post by Eggybread on May 23, 2024 10:45:28 GMT
What’s a person like me supposed to mean?And what do you disagree with regarding my comments? They have done damage ,fact ,and the far right divide people fact. If anything they united people in the last 2 elections. They barely stood any candidates reducing their vote share significantly and basically handed the tories power. Had they stood the number of candidates they usually did then corbyn would have won. Obviously this election they seem to be willing to stand lots of candidates again even though Labour are set for a landslide - they have no issue dividing the right wing vote. Nearly as if those on the right are quite content with the thought of a Starmer win and Labour landslide. Must not see him as a threat and more of the status quo. ![(whiteflag)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/HArWf7IGynTyf0kQFpe_.gif)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 23, 2024 10:46:25 GMT
Farage not standing in election He said: "I will do my bit to help in the campaign, but it is not the right time for me to go any further than that. "Important though the general election is, the contest in the United States of America on 5 November has huge global significance. "A strong America as a close ally is vital for our peace and security." Eh?? Bloke has more reverse gears than an Italian tank! He’s not once said that he is standing.
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Post by Eggybread on May 23, 2024 10:50:34 GMT
What’s a person like me supposed to mean?And what do you disagree with regarding my comments? They have done damage ,fact ,and the far right divide people fact. no more than the far left - its a back handed way of having ago at people who actually vote for them they do the same with anyone who voted brexit Well you nearly answered my questions but didnt.We are not talking about the far left though are we ,the last few pages are about the right/far right and thats what I commented on.I bet you cannot even name a far left group who will have influence on this election.Plus there is no clear definition of what is "far left" all be it socialism,marxism,communism etc etc. All differ from one another.
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Post by salopstick on May 23, 2024 11:03:42 GMT
no more than the far left - its a back handed way of having ago at people who actually vote for them they do the same with anyone who voted brexit Well you nearly answered my questions but didnt.We are not talking about the far left though are we ,the last few pages are about the right/far right and thats what I commented on.I bet you cannot even name a far left group who will have influence on this election.Plus there is no clear definition of what is "far left" all be it socialism,marxism,communism etc etc. All differ from one another. Reform isnt far right the far right used to describe groups such as NF, BNP, EDL now it seems to describe anyone slighly right of centre far right does not mean populist. by labelling them far right you associate anyone who supports them as far right you know exactly what your language suggests and yes language such as that adds to the division
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2024 11:06:29 GMT
Propped up by the Greens? They might have 2 MPs in the past yes but if people vote for them as protest against the big two they could see huge gains, the lib dems will likely see gains too as people will now use them as protest choices, there is no saying that a coalition of the smaller parties could be the king makers at the end of all of this its all if buts and maybes right now but i doubt there will be a clean win for any side That's a reasonable doubt although the political commentators and polls all point to a clear Labour win However because of FFP the Greens will do very well to get to 3 MPs they won't be propping anyone up
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Post by Eggybread on May 23, 2024 11:11:56 GMT
Well you nearly answered my questions but didnt.We are not talking about the far left though are we ,the last few pages are about the right/far right and thats what I commented on.I bet you cannot even name a far left group who will have influence on this election.Plus there is no clear definition of what is "far left" all be it socialism,marxism,communism etc etc. All differ from one another. Reform isnt far right the far right used to describe groups such as NF, BNP, EDL now it seems to describe anyone slighly right of centre far right does not mean populist. by labelling them far right you associate anyone who supports them as far right you know exactly what your language suggests and yes language such as that adds to the division I beleive they are far right,and if you listened to Ann Widdecombe this morning banging on about nothing else bar immigration and closed your eyes you could have been in 1933 Germany.Were not many members of the Brexit party and UKIP former members of the BNP and the EDL?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2024 11:12:04 GMT
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Post by salopstick on May 23, 2024 11:13:44 GMT
Reform isnt far right the far right used to describe groups such as NF, BNP, EDL now it seems to describe anyone slighly right of centre far right does not mean populist. by labelling them far right you associate anyone who supports them as far right you know exactly what your language suggests and yes language such as that adds to the division I beleive they are far right,if you listened to Ann Widdecombe this morning banging on about nothing else bar immigration and closed your eyes you could have been in 1933 Germany. having concerns about immigration does not make you far right - that sort of rhetoric helped brexit and cost labour the red wall last time
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2024 11:15:56 GMT
Well you nearly answered my questions but didnt.We are not talking about the far left though are we ,the last few pages are about the right/far right and thats what I commented on.I bet you cannot even name a far left group who will have influence on this election.Plus there is no clear definition of what is "far left" all be it socialism,marxism,communism etc etc. All differ from one another. Reform isnt far right the far right used to describe groups such as NF, BNP, EDL now it seems to describe anyone slighly right of centre far right does not mean populist. by labelling them far right you associate anyone who supports them as far right you know exactly what your language suggests and yes language such as that adds to the division Tricky if 'far right' wasn't already ascribed to the borderline Nazis NF etc you would call them far right maybe 'very right wing' would be apropiate You can't describe Reform 'as slightly to the right of centre' though, that's nonsense Ken Clarke you could describe as slightly right of centre but the Tory party is as right wing a government as we get with Reform being to the right of them If we didn't have FFP then a slightly right of centre party plus a slightly left of centre party plus an out and out right wing party and a full on Socialist party plus Greens would probably cover 99% of English political opinion far better As it is Labour will always be a hybrid of Socialist and essentially cebtralist views (with one side holding sway over the other) and the Tories a hybrid of 'one nation Conservatives' and libertarian small government types (with one side holding sway over the other) as they have to form such parties to win elections
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Post by wannabee on May 23, 2024 11:16:52 GMT
Ed Conway is one of the better mainstream journalists out there. Here, he completely blows out of the water, the absolute bollocks that Sunak attempted to spin about inflation this evening ... It's quite amazing how this simple concept is innocently or deliberately misunderstood, it's quite prevalent on the Brexit Thread. The subliminal message of 2.3% is obviously what Rishi wants to project
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2024 11:18:18 GMT
I am ok with that. Corbyn had some reasonable ideas and he is on the side of the oppressed. The more independents the better. At least the debates will be more varied which may help to shape other MP's views on legislation even if Labour will have a big enough majority to do as they please. Each to their own mate.I personally wouldn’t want the vile horrible individual anywhere near Parliament ever again Could do with you explaining yourself here mate. Curious as to why Cobham liked your post also.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2024 11:19:21 GMT
Farage not standing in election He said: "I will do my bit to help in the campaign, but it is not the right time for me to go any further than that. "Important though the general election is, the contest in the United States of America on 5 November has huge global significance. "A strong America as a close ally is vital for our peace and security." Eh?? USA will be where he makes the most money, fascist little Grifter that he is.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 23, 2024 11:20:17 GMT
Her partner is the leader of Reform. I imagine they are disappointed that Farage is going to be focusing on US elections. I suspect she is going to put out something to try and shore up the Reform vote, and her past record makes me loathe to trust anything she has to say. This was always the worry with the polls. Reform ate into the Conservative vote, but if they bottle the general election again then that Labour lead gets a lot smaller.
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Post by Eggybread on May 23, 2024 11:31:00 GMT
I beleive they are far right,if you listened to Ann Widdecombe this morning banging on about nothing else bar immigration and closed your eyes you could have been in 1933 Germany. having concerns about immigration does not make you far right - that sort of rhetoric helped brexit and cost labour the red wall last time Please dont defend Widdecombe ffs ,and she didnt show concern ,shes a fanatical lunatic and mentioned nothing else .Reform have no poilices of note end of. Dont get me wrong I dislike 99% of the parties and I loathe capitalism but the time is right to ditch the troeis after 14 years of complete and utter hell for many families.Just take a step back and look at the state of the country and more importantly our city.It has never ever been so bad ever.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 23, 2024 11:32:24 GMT
Farage has manipulated the natio. He has all the influence yet none of the responsibilities.
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Post by salopstick on May 23, 2024 11:37:50 GMT
having concerns about immigration does not make you far right - that sort of rhetoric helped brexit and cost labour the red wall last time Please dont defend Widdecombe ffs ,and she didnt show concern ,shes a fanatical lunatic and mentioned nothing else .Reform have no poilices of note end of. Dont get me wrong I dislike 99% of the parties and I loathe capitalism but the time is right to ditch the troeis after 14 years of complete and utter hell for many families.Just take a step back and look at the state of the country and more importantly our city.It has never ever been so bad ever. did not mention her
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 23, 2024 11:44:26 GMT
Bloke has more reverse gears than an Italian tank! He’s not once said that he is standing. Come on Badge you should know better than letting the facts get in the way of a good Nige bashing.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 11:54:09 GMT
Reform isnt far right the far right used to describe groups such as NF, BNP, EDL now it seems to describe anyone slighly right of centre far right does not mean populist. by labelling them far right you associate anyone who supports them as far right you know exactly what your language suggests and yes language such as that adds to the division Tricky if 'far right' wasn't already ascribed to the borderline Nazis NF etc you would call them far right maybe 'very right wing' would be apropiate You can't describe Reform 'as slightly to the right of centre' though, that's nonsense Ken Clarke you could describe as slightly right of centre but the Tory party is as right wing a government as we get with Reform being to the right of them If we didn't have FFP then a slightly right of centre party plus a slightly left of centre party plus an out and out right wing party and a full on Socialist party plus Greens would probably cover 99% of English political opinion far better As it is Labour will always be a hybrid of Socialist and essentially cebtralist views (with one side holding sway over the other) and the Tories a hybrid of 'one nation Conservatives' and libertarian small government types (with one side holding sway over the other) as they have to form such parties to win elections The Tory party is right wing in rhetoric only. They continuously increase taxes, have Home Secretaries who try to interfere with policing, have PM’s who try to interfere with as much personal freedoms as possible and they oversee a country with record levels of immigration. None of those policies are right wing.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2024 12:01:38 GMT
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Post by AlliG on May 23, 2024 12:34:03 GMT
Bloke has more reverse gears than an Italian tank! He’s not once said that he is standing. He was certainly quick to nail his colours white flag to the mast. Farage is the kind of bloke who would have been handing out white feathers during WWI but as soon as conscription started would have "discovered" he had flat feet or an ingrowing toenail or an urgent need to be in the USA.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on May 23, 2024 12:44:01 GMT
I beleive they are far right,if you listened to Ann Widdecombe this morning banging on about nothing else bar immigration and closed your eyes you could have been in 1933 Germany. having concerns about immigration does not make you far right - that sort of rhetoric helped brexit and cost labour the red wall last time All too often being patriotic makes you racist , just look at this board, and threads like this , huddy and the leftwaffe are going to go into meltdown calling all and sundry racists.
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Post by gawa on May 23, 2024 12:52:06 GMT
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Post by knype on May 23, 2024 12:59:06 GMT
Each to their own mate.I personally wouldn’t want the vile horrible individual anywhere near Parliament ever again Could do with you explaining yourself here mate. Curious as to why Cobham liked your post also. Perhaps it's because they see Starmer for what he is, a terrorist sympathiser who hates Britain and it's ways...
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Post by Eggybread on May 23, 2024 13:03:26 GMT
having concerns about immigration does not make you far right - that sort of rhetoric helped brexit and cost labour the red wall last time All too often being patriotic makes you racist , just look at this board, and threads like this , huddy and the leftwaffe are going to go into meltdown calling all and sundry racists. Mate youre really not important or rellevant enough to cause anyone to go into meltdown.Your opinions and views are old hat and have been spouted out many times before ,by people similar to yourself. ![:-*](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibsKtmyxvmCS4ld9vDzv.gif)
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Post by spitthedog on May 23, 2024 13:08:42 GMT
Not so sure it was the best idea by Rishi today to ask a group of Welsh brewery workers if they were all looking forward to the Euros?!?!?!?!
Oops!
Could get him 1 or 2 votes on here though.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on May 23, 2024 13:10:19 GMT
All too often being patriotic makes you racist , just look at this board, and threads like this , huddy and the leftwaffe are going to go into meltdown calling all and sundry racists. Mate youre really not important or rellevant enough to cause anyone to go into meltdown.Your opinions and views are old hat and have been spouted out many times before ,by people similar to yourself. ![:-*](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibsKtmyxvmCS4ld9vDzv.gif) Sorry
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2024 13:20:02 GMT
Could do with you explaining yourself here mate. Curious as to why Cobham liked your post also. Perhaps it's because they see Starmer for what he is, a terrorist sympathiser who hates Britain and it's ways... Amazing..I wasn't even asking you mate. And he was slagging Corbyn off, not Starmer, you idiot.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2024 13:21:41 GMT
having concerns about immigration does not make you far right - that sort of rhetoric helped brexit and cost labour the red wall last time All too often being patriotic makes you racist , just look at this board, and threads like this , huddy and the leftwaffe are going to go into meltdown calling all and sundry racists. Quite right mate, I love my country, I hate the way the fascists have hijacked patriotism. Terrible business.
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Post by wannabee on May 23, 2024 13:28:32 GMT
Bloke has more reverse gears than an Italian tank! He’s not once said that he is standing. Why write an open letter announcing he's not going to stand although he "thought long and hard" about doing so? Was that just attention seeking?
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