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Post by gawa on May 22, 2024 20:26:10 GMT
Nah vote for steak. We've had 14 years of dog food. The labour alternative is cat food. I'd rather vote for steak than more pet food. "Better than dog food" isn't good enough. If Iām voting for steak, which party am I voting for? Depends how you like your steak mate. I like mine medium rare with a custard cream on top.
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 22, 2024 20:40:18 GMT
Medium rare too, but I'm not a fan of the custard cream, apricot yogurt for me.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2024 20:49:37 GMT
Am I the only one thinking it's really strange to call an election you know you're almost certain to lose? The Tories are many things but 'thick' isn't one of them, I get the feeling they know 'something' is coming that is going to be deeply, deeply unpopular (Even compared to the plethora of deeply unpopular things in recent years!) and they're running away from it so that Labour get all the blame. First thing that springs to mind is they know that a proper war with Russia and/or China is coming. Nah, Sunak knew the letters of no-confidence were going in and he wouldn't make it until the Autumn, so he's said, "fuck you all", if I'm gong down, I'm taking all of you with me. He warned them that he was prepared to do it but they just couldn't help themselves. It's what Tories do.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on May 22, 2024 20:52:50 GMT
How anyone can vote for the Tories beggars belief. I accept that Labour is shite as well but you cannot reward those selfish, corrupt bastards with another 4 years. They have run the country into the ground over the last 14 years. I would like Labour to not challenge the Libs in marginal Tory seats where the Libs have a fighting chance. We have to try and diversify and the fewer Tories the better in my opinion. If Reform and Greens can get a few seats even better...although I think Reform will not win a seat but could take voters from the Tories. I don't think there is any doubt that the next government will be labour led but if you think there will be more than fag paper difference between the incumbent left leaning tory party and the right leaning Labour Party then you will be sadly disappointed. Selfish, corrupt bastards always find their way to the top.
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Post by professorplump on May 22, 2024 20:53:14 GMT
Am I the only one thinking it's really strange to call an election you know you're almost certain to lose? The Tories are many things but 'thick' isn't one of them, I get the feeling they know 'something' is coming that is going to be deeply, deeply unpopular (Even compared to the plethora of deeply unpopular things in recent years!) and they're running away from it so that Labour get all the blame. First thing that springs to mind is they know that a proper war with Russia and/or China is coming. I think you're right but not for the reason you have stated. If anything governments become more popular in wartime. I think there are 3 reasons for this timing. One is that small boat crossings usually reach their peak during July and August and he knows that Rwanda won't work. The infected blood compensation payments means that there is no longer any scope for pre election tax cuts. Also I think by going early he is hoping to catch Reform unprepared.
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Post by noustie on May 22, 2024 20:55:35 GMT
Donāt trust postal voting so hopefully the Scotland quarter final is the day before or after š
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Post by professorplump on May 22, 2024 21:00:33 GMT
Am I the only one thinking it's really strange to call an election you know you're almost certain to lose? The Tories are many things but 'thick' isn't one of them, I get the feeling they know 'something' is coming that is going to be deeply, deeply unpopular (Even compared to the plethora of deeply unpopular things in recent years!) and they're running away from it so that Labour get all the blame. First thing that springs to mind is they know that a proper war with Russia and/or China is coming. Nah, Sunak knew the letters of no-confidence were going in and he wouldn't make it until the Autumn, so he's said, "fuck you all", if I'm gong down, I'm taking all of you with me. He warned them that he was prepared to do it but they just couldn't help themselves. It's what Tories do. I think you're completely wrong. There was no indication that letters were about to be submitted however there may well be a deluge now that he has called the election.
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Post by shakermaker on May 22, 2024 21:10:10 GMT
I shall be spoiling my vote, neither of the two sides deserve my vote, tories have let us down over and over again over the last few years and Labour have been a totally useless opposition, the idea that they would form a competent and useful government is a joke! Itās a pity a mass movement to spoil votes and register dissatisfaction canāt be organised There are more than two parties to vote for you know. Iām sick of this prevailing mindset that it has to be one of only Tory or Labour to lead the country. In many different ways, each of those parties have fucked things up one way or the other when they were in power. Iām only going on recent local elections, but I was so impressed with how well the Green councillors spoke. They are far from the blue-haired, placard waving caricature some would have of them. Both of them deservedly got elected in my ward. I think Iāll be voting Green as things stand.
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Post by desman2 on May 22, 2024 21:15:08 GMT
I shall be spoiling my vote, neither of the two sides deserve my vote, tories have let us down over and over again over the last few years and Labour have been a totally useless opposition, the idea that they would form a competent and useful government is a joke! Itās a pity a mass movement to spoil votes and register dissatisfaction canāt be organised There are more than two parties to vote for you know. Iām sick of this prevailing mindset that it has to be one of only Tory or Labour to lead the country. In many different ways, each of those parties have fucked things up one way or the other when they were in power. Iām only going on recent local elections, but I was so impressed with how well the Green councillors spoke. They are far from the blue-haired, placard waving caricature some would have of them. Both of them deservedly got elected in my ward. I think Iāll be voting Green as things stand. Bang on. Some people are encouraged by what someone has to say. Improve the NHS, Shore up the border, Make it better for workers blah blah blah. What they forget is that bullshit is rolled out everytime and gets fallen for every time.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2024 21:16:18 GMT
Nah, Sunak knew the letters of no-confidence were going in and he wouldn't make it until the Autumn, so he's said, "fuck you all", if I'm gong down, I'm taking all of you with me. He warned them that he was prepared to do it but they just couldn't help themselves. It's what Tories do. I think you're completely wrong. There was no indication that letters were about to be submitted however there may well be a deluge now that he has called the election. Have you been living under a rock for the last few weeks? There has been news report after news report, of letters going into Brady and Sunak threatening to go nuclear if they don't back off.
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2024 21:16:29 GMT
Am I the only one thinking it's really strange to call an election you know you're almost certain to lose? The Tories are many things but 'thick' isn't one of them, I get the feeling they know 'something' is coming that is going to be deeply, deeply unpopular (Even compared to the plethora of deeply unpopular things in recent years!) and they're running away from it so that Labour get all the blame. First thing that springs to mind is they know that a proper war with Russia and/or China is coming. Nah Either Sunak is worried of being turfed out by his own party in the summer, new leader party conference, election so he has gone early to avoid that or he genuinely thinks it could be a tight election Or he's just had enough
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Post by Clayton Wood on May 22, 2024 21:18:26 GMT
Am I the only one thinking it's really strange to call an election you know you're almost certain to lose? The Tories are many things but 'thick' isn't one of them, I get the feeling they know 'something' is coming that is going to be deeply, deeply unpopular (Even compared to the plethora of deeply unpopular things in recent years!) and they're running away from it so that Labour get all the blame. First thing that springs to mind is they know that a proper war with Russia and/or China is coming. Nah, Sunak knew the letters of no-confidence were going in and he wouldn't make it until the Autumn, so he's said, "fuck you all", if I'm gong down, I'm taking all of you with me. He warned them that he was prepared to do it but they just couldn't help themselves. It's what Tories do. Nah, John Swinney says he's only called it now to fuck up Scottish school kids holidays. Which if you only get 2 weeks of sun a year I can see his point.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2024 21:19:31 GMT
Nah, Sunak knew the letters of no-confidence were going in and he wouldn't make it until the Autumn, so he's said, "fuck you all", if I'm gong down, I'm taking all of you with me. He warned them that he was prepared to do it but they just couldn't help themselves. It's what Tories do. Nah,Ā John Swinney says he's only called it now to fuck up Scottish school kids holidays. Which if you only get 2 weeks of sun a year I can see his point. Fair enough! š
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 22, 2024 21:22:29 GMT
I tell you what, Paula Vennells has got to be the luckiest person in the world today!
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Post by flea79 on May 22, 2024 21:25:14 GMT
I shall be spoiling my vote, neither of the two sides deserve my vote, tories have let us down over and over again over the last few years and Labour have been a totally useless opposition, the idea that they would form a competent and useful government is a joke! Itās a pity a mass movement to spoil votes and register dissatisfaction canāt be organised There are more than two parties to vote for you know. Iām sick of this prevailing mindset that it has to be one of only Tory or Labour to lead the country. In many different ways, each of those parties have fucked things up one way or the other when they were in power. Iām only going on recent local elections, but I was so impressed with how well the Green councillors spoke. They are far from the blue-haired, placard waving caricature some would have of them. Both of them deservedly got elected in my ward. I think Iāll be voting Green as things stand. You make a good point but realistically it will be one of those two, maybe as a hung parliament backed up by a Green Party or something?
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Post by Clayton Wood on May 22, 2024 21:27:15 GMT
I tell you what, Paula Vennells has got to be the luckiest person in the world today! She's got 2 more days on stand so is hoping for a royal death followed by an explosion at an oil refinery in the Home Counties to follow
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Post by shakermaker on May 22, 2024 21:30:49 GMT
I tell you what, Paula Vennells has got to be the luckiest person in the world today! She's got 2 more days on stand so is hoping for a royal death followed by an explosion at an oil refinery in the Home Counties to follow Yeah, a GE or not wonāt make any difference to the ferocity of questioning she is facing over the next couple of days. Judging on todayās performance, her goose is cooked anyway.
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Post by desman2 on May 22, 2024 21:31:30 GMT
Tories and Labour release the same pre election anthem
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Post by stokeson on May 22, 2024 21:34:55 GMT
One thing for sure is that its going to get really dirty. The Tory press will be in overdrive on every labour MP and somehow how spin the last 14 years as a time of milk and honey........
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Post by innocentbystander on May 22, 2024 21:55:51 GMT
If the Tories had put it it off for a couple more weeks they could have ridden a wave of mass euphoria following the almost certain English victory at the Euros.
Especially in Scotland, where both are popular.
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Post by wannabee on May 22, 2024 22:17:43 GMT
Am I the only one thinking it's really strange to call an election you know you're almost certain to lose? The Tories are many things but 'thick' isn't one of them, I get the feeling they know 'something' is coming that is going to be deeply, deeply unpopular (Even compared to the plethora of deeply unpopular things in recent years!) and they're running away from it so that Labour get all the blame. First thing that springs to mind is they know that a proper war with Russia and/or China is coming. I think you're right but not for the reason you have stated. If anything governments become more popular in wartime. I think there are 3 reasons for this timing. One is that small boat crossings usually reach their peak during July and August and he knows that Rwanda won't work. The infected blood compensation payments means that there is no longer any scope for pre election tax cuts. Also I think by going early he is hoping to catch Reform unprepared. It's problematic for Rishi if it even starts and it's one of his major policies he's hung his hat on Asylum Aid launched its legal action against its Legality yesterday having already given Government advanced notice of its intention. It has already won a partial victory forcing Government to admit it's Rwanda Policy Guidance it gave to Civil Servants was not legal The legal action is against Ministers themselves www.reuters.com/world/uk/human-rights-group-asylum-aid-files-legal-challenge-uks-rwanda-policy-2024-05-21/The Civil Service Union has also launched a Judicial Inquiry to clarify if the instructions they may be given by Ministers are legal if they carry them out www.fda.org.uk/home/Getinvolved/Safety-of-Rwanda-judicial-review.aspxThis could go one of two ways, a mad scramble to get a flight off the ground before 4th July, maybe difficult as the RAF could only find one Aircraft to join 80th D-Day Commemorations and it's doubtful other Airlines want to get involved. Or the narrative will be that Flights would be going to Rwanda but Labour are blocking them. Unfortunately there is probably other bad news on the way Economy wise which has made Rishi jump so maybe the song should be "Things are unlikely to get better"
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 22, 2024 22:30:16 GMT
I think I'm going to vote Tory.
Admittedly their record hasn't been great over the past 14 years and I am struggling to think of a single tangible policy or success story that has made a difference to working people during that time, but... Labour would still be a lot worse.
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Post by gawa on May 22, 2024 22:33:02 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 23, 2024 0:37:33 GMT
Announcing it now was also cynical. The next government in power is going to have to find most of the ten billion to pay out those affected by the blood scandal. That money can only be raised by three ways: higher taxation, borrowing, or cutting back on public services. And if anyone tells me that Sunak hasn't taken that into consideration then they need their head examining. Hopefully, the MSM will pick up on this and it will become an issue. In S-o-T, I predict that Gullis will retain his seat but the two MP's from Stoke Central and Stoke South will be on dodgy ground. OS. Labour will be raising taxes anyway, the Coates family will be single handedly funding the country! š
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Post by essexstokey on May 23, 2024 1:37:52 GMT
Let's turn stoke and Staffordshire red
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Post by tuum on May 23, 2024 1:38:14 GMT
Am I the only one thinking it's really strange to call an election you know you're almost certain to lose? The Tories are many things but 'thick' isn't one of them, I get the feeling they know 'something' is coming that is going to be deeply, deeply unpopular (Even compared to the plethora of deeply unpopular things in recent years!) and they're running away from it so that Labour get all the blame. First thing that springs to mind is they know that a proper war with Russia and/or China is coming. I think you're right but not for the reason you have stated. If anything governments become more popular in wartime. I think there are 3 reasons for this timing. One is that small boat crossings usually reach their peak during July and August and he knows that Rwanda won't work. The infected blood compensation payments means that there is no longer any scope for pre election tax cuts. Also I think by going early he is hoping to catch Reform unprepared. As you say, I also think one of their reasons is to catch Reform unprepared.
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Post by rowbeartoe on May 23, 2024 1:56:05 GMT
I think I'm going to vote Tory. Admittedly their record hasn't been great over the past 14 years and I am struggling to think of a single tangible policy or success story that has made a difference to working people during that time, but... Labour would still be a lot worse. Sarcasm surely.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2024 2:23:10 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2024 2:34:57 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 23, 2024 3:07:38 GMT
Ed Conway is one of the better mainstream journalists out there.
Here, he completely blows out of the water, the absolute bollocks that Sunak attempted to spin about inflation this evening ...
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