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Post by elystokie on Jul 5, 2024 16:37:03 GMT
I was thinking more like " Highway to Hell". Just watch how the markets react tomorrow, and how the pound is going to bomb against USD & Euro. If anyone planning a holiday to Europe in the next few weeks, buy your Euro's now... Labour are going to cripple us... Well, as predicted, this aged about as well as a pint of full cream milk in 30ºC heat 😆 Hope nobody bought large amounts on this advice www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=1D
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 5, 2024 16:37:30 GMT
Angela Rayner’s clobber is absolutely atrocious. Tremendous milkers though.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 5, 2024 16:46:28 GMT
I know Corbyn is persona non grata with some on here but actually the way the residents rallied around to get him over the line when he was down massively in the polls (I thought he would fall short) is proper grassroots politics. If that could be replicated across other constituencies and we could build grassroots movements and help shape the future of our own communities without being too reliant on central government the country would genuinely be a better place. You could argue the same happened in Clacton albeit it was always going to be a bigger margin of victory but it's not even about left or right..............
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 5, 2024 16:47:48 GMT
Angela Rayner’s clobber is absolutely atrocious. Tremendous milkers though. I'm still bitter that Tremendous Milkers failed to show up when they were meant to be supporting World of Twist............
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2024 16:53:48 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2024 16:57:53 GMT
I know Corbyn is persona non grata with some on here but actually the way the residents rallied around to get him over the line when he was down massively in the polls (I thought he would fall short) is proper grassroots politics. If that could be replicated across other constituencies and we could build grassroots movements and help shape the future of our own communities without being too reliant on central government the country would genuinely be a better place. You could argue the same happened in Clacton albeit it was always going to be a bigger margin of victory but it's not even about left or right.............. I agree Perhaps the biggest victim is labourlist.org/2024/07/chingford-woodford-green-ids-faiza-shaheen/She seemed very committed, genuine and competent to me....Starmer had no need to do anything whatsoever.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2024 17:05:03 GMT
For what it is worth , I think Starmer will do OK, for quite a while.
Steady.....perhaps that's the quality we most need more than anything given the last few years.
I hope he can Foster ( particularly Belgium!) better relations with the EU ....without paving the way to Political union, which is my biggest concern and would be an insult to the working class( which I'm not going to re debate )
We don't know what's around the corner, as PM he has to deliver on EVERY front, not just many fronts....My guess is that how he deals with what I'm calling the Muslim vote/ Muslim party members/ constituencies with large Muslim populations/ Muslim independent MPs will cause him the most grief, eventually.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2024 17:06:52 GMT
For what it is worth , I think Starmer will do OK, for quite a while. Steady.....perhaps that's the quality we most need more than anything given the last few years. I hope he can Foster ( particularly Belgium!) better relations with the EU ....without paving the way to Political union, which is my biggest concern and would be an insult to the working class( which I'm not going to re debate ) We don't know what's around the corner, as PM he has to deliver on EVERY front, noy judt many fronts....My guess is that how he deals with what I'm calling the Muslim vote/ party members/ consistencies/ independent MPs will cause him the most grief, eventually. Yep he’s been voted in, let’s see what he can do before jumping on any bandwagons just yet. He is under pressure to make tangible change pretty quickly though
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Post by gawa on Jul 5, 2024 17:28:50 GMT
Goarrrrn Nige and the lads 4 million votes for 5 seats compared with 200,000 for Sinn Fein’s 7 seats! Contested less than 2% of the seats Reform contested though.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 5, 2024 17:30:35 GMT
For what it is worth , I think Starmer will do OK, for quite a while. Steady.....perhaps that's the quality we most need more than anything given the last few years. I hope he can Foster ( particularly Belgium!) better relations with the EU ....without paving the way to Political union, which is my biggest concern and would be an insult to the working class( which I'm not going to re debate ) We don't know what's around the corner, as PM he has to deliver on EVERY front, noy judt many fronts....My guess is that how he deals with what I'm calling the Muslim vote/ party members/ consistencies/ independent MPs will cause him the most grief, eventually. Yep he’s been voted in, let’s see what he can do before jumping on any bandwagons just yet. He is under pressure to make tangible change pretty quickly though No he isn't, he has been very clear throughout that 14 years of a slash and burn approach to the nations infrastructure cannot be rectified overnight. Rebuild one brick at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 17:33:04 GMT
Angela Rayner’s clobber is absolutely atrocious. Tremendous milkers though. Oh my god...!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2024 17:33:37 GMT
Where’s the anchor?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2024 17:41:14 GMT
Yep he’s been voted in, let’s see what he can do before jumping on any bandwagons just yet. He is under pressure to make tangible change pretty quickly though No he isn't, he has been very clear throughout that 14 years of a slash and burn approach to the nations infrastructure cannot be rectified overnight. Rebuild one brick at a time. I think that's true.... in a sense if nothing seismic happens or is attempted for the first year, he'll be happy with tweaks....then again he might surprise many people
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Post by gawa on Jul 5, 2024 17:42:06 GMT
Wonder if we will be following suit with Europe and fearmongering about the "rise of the far right".
2015 UKIP votes - 3.9 million 2024 Reform votes - 4.1 million
A 200k rise when the population has risen by 3 million.
No doubt that's the narrative the media will push and the usual lot will lap it up.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 5, 2024 17:43:09 GMT
Goarrrrn Nige and the lads 4 million votes for 5 seats compared with 200,000 for Sinn Fein’s 7 seats! UKIP's 4m votes a few years back tells you what was always kicking around. Parties with more seats but fewer votes targetted specific seats and fought a ground level campaign. Reform's campaign was a National level approach to humiliating the Tories - and in that respect it was successful. That Reform would have more seats under PR is unarguable. That they don't have more seats under FPTP is down to them.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 5, 2024 17:45:04 GMT
Starmer didn't have to do anything, other than stand back and watch rishi and the tories crumble. Failing upwards comes to mind. Near 13 million votes - "he's unelectable" Over 10 million votes - "he's unelectable" Over 9 million votes - "he's changed the party and made them electable" 🤣🤣🤣 Getting those extra votes in Labour heartlands was pointless though. The Labour vote dropped mainly in safe Labour seats. Winning by a 30000 majority or 3, the result is the same, 1 seat. Lib Dems and Labour targeted seats that made a difference, Smashing it of the park in Sunderland did Corbyn no good. It might be unpalatable but the Libs and Labour ran incredible campaigns in Tory seats. It cost them elsewhere but its just the game they played. Less than 10% of the electorate decide elections.
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Post by gawa on Jul 5, 2024 17:52:25 GMT
Failing upwards comes to mind. Near 13 million votes - "he's unelectable" Over 10 million votes - "he's unelectable" Over 9 million votes - "he's changed the party and made them electable" 🤣🤣🤣 Getting those extra votes in Labour heartlands was pointless though. The Labour vote dropped mainly in safe Labour seats. Winning by a 30000 majority or 3, the result is the same, 1 seat. Lib Dems and Labour targeted seats that made a difference, Smashing it of the park in Sunderland did Corbyn no good. It might be unpalatable but the Libs and Labour ran incredible campaigns in Tory seats. It cost them elsewhere but its just the game they played. Less than 10% of the electorate decide elections. Which seats did the Labour vote increase in compared to 2017? Looks more to me like torys having their vote split by reform and people not turning out to vote rather than people going out to vote Labour due to this great campaign.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 5, 2024 18:07:27 GMT
Yes. It's kicked the Tories out. You're welcome. I would make 2 points I think worth considering 1. Labour had a strategy, and that strategy was shaped by the current voting system. 2. If there was a different system you cannot assume people would vote as they have done in this election. I'm not sure I would have, that doesn't necessarily make it a better system. People vote tactically. Even Jonathan Pie told Labour voters in Clacton to vote Conservative, simply to avoid the Farage. People have voted to fuck off the conservatives. It was time. We can discuss proportional representation another time.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 18:19:28 GMT
Tremendous milkers though. I'm still bitter that Tremendous Milkers failed to show up when they were meant to be supporting World of Twist............ Were the late replacements Atrocious Clobber any good?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2024 18:20:54 GMT
I'm still bitter that Tremendous Milkers failed to show up when they were meant to be supporting World of Twist............ Were the late replacements Atrocious Clobber any good? You pair should be called The Sanctimonious Windbags, and you’ll never support World of Twist either😉
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 18:27:43 GMT
Were the late replacements Atrocious Clobber any good? You pair should be called The Sanctimonious Windbags, and you’ll never support World of Twist either😉
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Post by starkiller on Jul 5, 2024 18:35:12 GMT
Clown cabinet. And folk actually think things are going to improve.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2024 18:36:51 GMT
Clown cabinet. And folk actually think things are going to improve. Lammy 🤣
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jul 5, 2024 18:43:06 GMT
Clown cabinet. And folk actually think things are going to improve. Have you not seen who they've replaced? We've finally got a couple of people with working class backgrounds into Downing Street. They won't stand for any bollocks similar to that which the selfservatives served up. We're in for a period of progress, just like we had between 1997 and 2010. The aristocracy are gone from power, at least for now, and we should embrace it.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 5, 2024 18:46:03 GMT
Clown cabinet. And folk actually think things are going to improve. Have you not seen who they've replaced? We've finally got a couple of people with working class backgrounds into Downing Street. They won't stand for any bollocks similar to that which the selfservatives served up. We're in for a period of progress, just like we had between 1997 and 2010. The aristocracy are gone from power, at least for now, and we should embrace it. It's one shitshow to another.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 5, 2024 18:46:54 GMT
It has to be said when you look at her appearance compared to Boris she does look like Victoria Beckham. That said she’s probably been up all night so is going to be cream crackered. Maybe I’m a bit old fashioned but if I’m representing my country in really important meetings looking smart is a given or at least should be. Cheers Wayne Hemingway........ Working Class people should know their place Toffs have a natural style and dignity and don't disgrace the Nation
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Post by starkiller on Jul 5, 2024 18:47:21 GMT
Clown cabinet. And folk actually think things are going to improve. Lammy 🤣 Dipstick.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 5, 2024 18:47:35 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 5, 2024 18:53:12 GMT
All well and good but this still costs money or time ie broadband computer or phone to access it
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Post by Veritas on Jul 5, 2024 18:53:14 GMT
If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
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