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Post by toppercorner on May 26, 2024 7:17:27 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 26, 2024 7:26:58 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 26, 2024 7:54:14 GMT
Did i just hear correct on itn news that the tories will reintroduce compulsory national service if re-elected. 60+ year olds that had houses given to them on a plate and haven’t had to fight in a war or do conscription will love it. Speak for yourself.
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Post by essexstokey on May 26, 2024 8:44:17 GMT
Kunsberg as biased as usual weak on the tories
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Post by thisisouryear on May 26, 2024 8:49:20 GMT
14 years of decline. Massive spending, services cut, watching them line their own pockets, the list goes on and on. This government is surely the worst one we've ever had. "I think I'll vote Tory again" I just can't grasp how one single person could ever want another five years of this shitshow. You would think the Lib Dems would take a lot more votes off the Tories. The Tories and Reform are basically the same in how they will just prioritise the rich over everyone in this country yet there are many people that want the shit to carry on, it's baffling. For many people it seems the fear of immigrants outweighs policies that will help their kids and future generations being more adaptable to a changing world
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 26, 2024 8:50:10 GMT
Can we send the toddlers back up the chimneys as well?
The last desperate act of a dying government.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 26, 2024 9:00:29 GMT
I think it's one of the best initiatives they've come up with but it's all too late.
People seem to be mocking the idea but given we are as close to a third world war as we've ever been and factoring in the chronic shortage of military personnel in the UK, I'm not quite sure why.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 26, 2024 9:01:32 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 26, 2024 9:07:55 GMT
Will be interesting to see what happens with the youth vote this time.
There's an argument that turnout could be higher than expected as they want to make their voices heard following Brexit.
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Post by Veritas on May 26, 2024 9:33:44 GMT
I think it's one of the best initiatives they've come up with but it's all too late. People seem to be mocking the idea but given we are as close to a third world war as we've ever been and factoring in the chronic shortage of military personnel in the UK, I'm not quite sure why. Yes a bunch of 18 year olds doing 1 year will make the Red Army quake. Designed to appeal to the " they all need a dose of discipline" brigade. The ridiculous thing is it would be of no use to the armed forces who want professional well funded troops and equipment that works. It is also politically inept and will be much more of a vote loser than winner. This campaign looks like it is going to have the reverse Midas touch with everything they do turning brown and smelly.
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 9:42:13 GMT
Will be interesting to see what happens with the youth vote this time. There's an argument that turnout could be higher than expected as they want to make their voices heard following Brexit. Labour is polling worse at every age group under 30 compared to 2017. The Duopoly vote (Labour + tory) is also lower at every age group too. People are moving away from the 2 main parties.
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Post by Dave the Rave on May 26, 2024 9:51:28 GMT
Will be interesting to see what happens with the youth vote this time. There's an argument that turnout could be higher than expected as they want to make their voices heard following Brexit. Labour is polling worse at every age group under 30 compared to 2017. The Duopoly vote (Labour + tory) is also lower at every age group too. People are moving away from the 2 main parties. What about compared with 2019 which was the last time that the Labour Party tried to get elected? Has Starmer improved the party's fortunes since that vote?
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2024 10:02:57 GMT
I think it's one of the best initiatives they've come up with but it's all too late. People seem to be mocking the idea but given we are as close to a third world war as we've ever been and factoring in the chronic shortage of military personnel in the UK, I'm not quite sure why. As close as the Cuban missile crisis? Or Andropov pushing the button re Operation Archer? Hyperbolic nonsense Let's not forget the reason national service was binned was because the armed forces didn't want it
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2024 10:05:44 GMT
I think it's one of the best initiatives they've come up with but it's all too late. People seem to be mocking the idea but given we are as close to a third world war as we've ever been and factoring in the chronic shortage of military personnel in the UK, I'm not quite sure why. Yes a bunch of 18 year olds doing 1 year will make the Red Army quake. Designed to appeal to the " they all need a dose of discipline" brigade. The ridiculous thing is it would be of no use to the armed forces who want professional well funded troops and equipment that works. It is also politically inept and will be much more of a vote loser than winner. This campaign looks like it is going to have the reverse Midas touch with everything they do turning brown and smelly. I think it appealed to older voters back in the 80's However those voters will pretty much all be dead now Really don't see who it would appeal to now it's absolutely scraping the barrel
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2024 10:07:19 GMT
Labour is polling worse at every age group under 30 compared to 2017. The Duopoly vote (Labour + tory) is also lower at every age group too. People are moving away from the 2 main parties. What about compared with 2019 which was the last time that the Labour Party tried to get elected? Has Starmer improved the party's fortunes since that vote? Yes quite clearly going by election results and the polls since then unless it's entirely down to dissatisfaction with the Tories, impossible to prove
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 10:08:36 GMT
Labour is polling worse at every age group under 30 compared to 2017. The Duopoly vote (Labour + tory) is also lower at every age group too. People are moving away from the 2 main parties. What about compared with 2019 which was the last time that the Labour Party tried to get elected? Has Starmer improved the party's fortunes since that vote? Nah everyone still think he's a right wing tory twat compared to then too. An antisemite who has overseen more evictions of Jews from labour than any leader before.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 10:47:02 GMT
The poor. The wealthy will all get diagnosed with bone spurs and be exempt.
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Post by essexstokey on May 26, 2024 10:51:15 GMT
Noticing on the BBC tory leaning presenters seem to be replacing independent ones at moment giving tories an easy ride
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 26, 2024 10:55:26 GMT
The poor. The wealthy will all get diagnosed with bone spurs and be exempt. No doubt the scheme will be run by contract awarded to some Tory-donating company
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 11:08:58 GMT
The amount of absolute weapons who only want is "to get the tories out" is so demoralising.
It's like going to a restaurant and ordering "anything but pizza" and being satisfied with bread and water.
Or going to a health appointment praying for "anything but cancer" and getting dementia.
Education in this country has went to the dogs. A population which no longer has any standards, no fight, no pride. A country of cuckolds ready to serve their spouses up to fucked time and time again because the new guy won't fuck her as hard as the last (for the first few months at least).
Is this really how pathetic we all now are?
Elect party x > party x does shit > "anyone but party x" > "everyone has to vote y to get x out" > elect party y > party y does shit > "anyone but party y" > "everyone has to vote x to get y out"
And people wonder why nothing changes? "Oh can't vote for change due to FPTP. Its wasted" > "all need to vote y to get x out" > and the same cycles repeat again.
I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Rishi announcing election in passing rain, visiting a sinking ship museum (titanic), getting his party members to ask him questions in factories, suggesting mandatory service etc.. is all to just make the torys look shit. It's too parody to be real.
Because what happens when torys look shit? Everyone flocks to the next shit party to get the shit tory party out. And when labour inevitabley are shit the goldfish population will be right back to voting tory and the cycle begins again.
The only thing stopping people from voting for what they want rather than what they don't want is themselves. And thus everyone needs to be accountable for what they're voting for rather than trying to justify it as "getting the tories out"
As Rachel Reeves proudly says "stability is change". If things staying as they are is the change you want then fire ahead. But don't come blaming covid, Ukraine or Gaza for labour being shit and giving them an easy way out. As yous were happy to criticise the Tory record despite this.
Any of the many labour supporters on here care to share their exciting reasoning for voting for labour?
It is no surprise that Thatcher (one of starmers most admired leaders) said Tony Blair was her biggest achievement. This thread is testament to it.
John Smith and Jeremy Corbyn are true left wing leaders which inspired the population and fought for the people. Blair and Starmer are just the lucky charlatans imposed on us by the establishment as the leaders elected off the back of the support for their predeccesors.
This country would be in a much better place had John Smith or Corbyn been elected.
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Post by desman2 on May 26, 2024 11:09:09 GMT
The reason that support drops off for parties not in government yet is because the older the citizen the more chance they have lived through the shit show that was previous to the current one. The youngest haven't yet experienced the two cheeks syndrome,
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 11:16:13 GMT
I think it's one of the best initiatives they've come up with but it's all too late. People seem to be mocking the idea but given we are as close to a third world war as we've ever been and factoring in the chronic shortage of military personnel in the UK, I'm not quite sure why. Isn’t this the kind of Big Govt interference that you usually can’t stand?
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Post by henry on May 26, 2024 11:22:58 GMT
I think it's one of the best initiatives they've come up with but it's all too late. People seem to be mocking the idea but given we are as close to a third world war as we've ever been and factoring in the chronic shortage of military personnel in the UK, I'm not quite sure why. It's a shit draconian idea from a government that clearly wants to lose the election.
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Post by gawa on May 26, 2024 11:32:02 GMT
Few labour announcements this weekend:
Islington North candidate - Chief Executive of a private IVF firm owned by his mum.
Leicester East - Times rich list multi millionaire parachuted in to contest.
And then of course Scottish Labour leader who's family owns a business which doesn't pay staff a living wage:
That's to add to the two tories who recently crossed the floor both promised advisory roles in housing and health care. Both have links to private health care and private housing industry.
Don't ever contest the fact that the Labour Party has changed. This is one of the few things Starmer hasn't lied about - it has changed. Its no longer the party of workers. Its the party of private business and millionaires.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 26, 2024 11:39:37 GMT
Yes a bunch of 18 year olds doing 1 year will make the Red Army quake. Designed to appeal to the " they all need a dose of discipline" brigade. The ridiculous thing is it would be of no use to the armed forces who want professional well funded troops and equipment that works. It is also politically inept and will be much more of a vote loser than winner. This campaign looks like it is going to have the reverse Midas touch with everything they do turning brown and smelly. I think it appealed to older voters back in the 80's However those voters will pretty much all be dead now Really don't see who it would appeal to now it's absolutely scraping the barrel It doesn’t seem to follow any logic at all does it? The army doesnt want it, the kids don't want it, the oldies don't want their grand kids being sent off to war, it's hard to fathom who it's possibly meant to appeal to? Oh hang on ...
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 26, 2024 11:41:18 GMT
The amount of absolute weapons who only want is "to get the tories out" is so demoralising. It's like going to a restaurant and ordering "anything but pizza" and being satisfied with bread and water. Or going to a health appointment praying for "anything but cancer" and getting dementia. Education in this country has went to the dogs. A population which no longer has any standards, no fight, no pride. A country of cuckolds ready to serve their spouses up to fucked time and time again because the new guy won't fuck her as hard as the last (for the first few months at least). Is this really how pathetic we all now are? Elect party x > party x does shit > "anyone but party x" > "everyone has to vote y to get x out" > elect party y > party y does shit > "anyone but party y" > "everyone has to vote x to get y out" And people wonder why nothing changes? "Oh can't vote for change due to FPTP. Its wasted" > "all need to vote y to get x out" > and the same cycles repeat again. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Rishi announcing election in passing rain, visiting a sinking ship museum (titanic), getting his party members to ask him questions in factories, suggesting mandatory service etc.. is all to just make the torys look shit. It's too parody to be real. Because what happens when torys look shit? Everyone flocks to the next shit party to get the shit tory party out. And when labour inevitabley are shit the goldfish population will be right back to voting tory and the cycle begins again. The only thing stopping people from voting for what they want rather than what they don't want is themselves. And thus everyone needs to be accountable for what they're voting for rather than trying to justify it as "getting the tories out" As Rachel Reeves proudly says "stability is change". If things staying as they are is the change you want then fire ahead. But don't come blaming covid, Ukraine or Gaza for labour being shit and giving them an easy way out. As yous were happy to criticise the Tory record despite this. Any of the many labour supporters on here care to share their exciting reasoning for voting for labour? It is no surprise that Thatcher (one of starmers most admired leaders) said Tony Blair was her biggest achievement. This thread is testament to it. John Smith and Jeremy Corbyn are true left wing leaders which inspired the population and fought for the people. Blair and Starmer are just the lucky charlatans imposed on us by the establishment as the leaders elected off the back of the support for their predeccesors. This country would be in a much better place had John Smith or Corbyn been elected. I am one of the 'Getting the Tories out' weapons you refer to, marginally better than the cunt you effectively called me the other day I guess. Now I don't particularly enthuse after Labour and never have but will vote for them because they are the party most likely to beat the Tories in my constituency. My reasons for wanting the Tories out at any cost? I think I've made enough posts on here over recent years for my reasoning to be clear. Don't like it? Tough
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Post by tuum on May 26, 2024 11:44:27 GMT
Will be interesting to see what happens with the youth vote this time. There's an argument that turnout could be higher than expected as they want to make their voices heard following Brexit. The youngster votes were heard during Brexit. Contrary to original opinion the turnout of young voters for the Brexit referendum was surprisingly high.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 12:11:41 GMT
One thing that I do like about British elections is that it’s over in 2 or so months. The pisstake circus of the US elections is incredibly frustrating. 18 months on the campaign trail = 18 months not actually doing what you’ve been elected to do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 26, 2024 12:20:35 GMT
The poor. The wealthy will all get diagnosed with bone spurs and be exempt. I think Northern Ireland would have to be made exempt to. Imagine telling all the 18 year olds in Derry that they've got to serve in the British Army for a year! They haven't really thought this through, have they? 🤦♂️
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Post by andystokey on May 26, 2024 12:54:03 GMT
The poor. The wealthy will all get diagnosed with bone spurs and be exempt. I think Northern Ireland would have to be made exempt to. Imagine telling all the 18 year olds in Derry that they've got to serve in the British Army for a year! They haven't really thought this through, have they? 🤦♂️ There are about 720,000 18 year olds in the UK at any one time and the armed forces are only offering 30k places. The other 690k will have to find this compulsory/volunteering for 25 days a year somewhere else. I nearly spat my tea out when Cleverley suggested they might be special constables or first responders.
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