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Post by insideright on May 1, 2024 17:43:06 GMT
Can't see it mentioned anywhere else but I thought it was interesting that rail seating, or whatever you wanna call it, is basically(actually) already installed at the Dell(sic). Don't know if people have seen it at other grounds
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Post by UNKLE on May 1, 2024 17:59:05 GMT
They’ve got it at Brentford, behind the home end and in the away end. The view is good and helps the atmosphere v quieter seated stands.
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Post by lordb on May 1, 2024 18:01:04 GMT
It's not proper terracing with the freedom, and prices, that go with that but seems to be popular, anything that helps with atmosphere is a good thing
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Post by insideright on May 1, 2024 18:06:21 GMT
Only thing is, I thought it wasn't actually licensed yet!?
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Post by Gods on May 1, 2024 18:12:38 GMT
It's not proper terracing with the freedom, and prices, that go with that but seems to be popular, anything that helps with atmosphere is a good thing Its basically standing behind a numbered seat with the part of the seat you sit on removed. The joy of standing was never the act of standing up, you can do that anytime, it was the freedom to roam which it afforded. IMHO |
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Post by werrington on May 1, 2024 18:13:34 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 1, 2024 18:17:47 GMT
Only thing is, I thought it wasn't actually licensed yet!? Loads of clubs have got it & had it for years now. Liverpool, Man Utd, Wolves, Tottenham, Portsmouth, Bristol City, Cardiff have all got it, and that's just with two seconds of thinking off the top of my head. |
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Post by callas12 on May 1, 2024 18:32:53 GMT
I'd noticed this as well. Majority of modern styled stadia have afforded visiting sections the safe standing options.
Shrewsbury Town were one of the trialists of it a good year or so again now!
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Post by walrus on May 1, 2024 18:34:36 GMT
It's not proper terracing with the freedom, and prices, that go with that but seems to be popular, anything that helps with atmosphere is a good thing Its basically standing behind a numbered seat with the part of the seat you sit on removed. The joy of standing was never the act of standing up, it was the freedom to roam which it afforded. IMHO Yep. It’s mad that the act of standing has been vilified to such an extent that people herald heavily restricted standing as a massive victory. Standing didn’t cause stadium disasters, poor stadium design and poor stewarding/policing did. |
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Post by lordb on May 1, 2024 18:38:00 GMT
It's not proper terracing with the freedom, and prices, that go with that but seems to be popular, anything that helps with atmosphere is a good thing Its basically standing behind a numbered seat with the part of the seat you sit on removed. The joy of standing was never the act of standing up, it was the freedom to roam which it afforded. IMHO And the price |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on May 1, 2024 19:53:19 GMT
It's not proper terracing with the freedom, and prices, that go with that but seems to be popular, anything that helps with atmosphere is a good thing Its basically standing behind a numbered seat with the part of the seat you sit on removed. The joy of standing was never the act of standing up, you can do that anytime, it was the freedom to roam which it afforded. IMHO Seats are not being removed at least not at stoke so i will be able to sit down at half time with my pie.👍 |
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Post by thornestein on May 1, 2024 19:53:22 GMT
It's not proper terracing with the freedom, and prices, that go with that but seems to be popular, anything that helps with atmosphere is a good thing Its basically standing behind a numbered seat with the part of the seat you sit on removed. The joy of standing was never the act of standing up, you can do that anytime, it was the freedom to roam which it afforded. IMHO a lot of fans don’t realise this |
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Post by Gods on May 1, 2024 21:27:08 GMT
Its basically standing behind a numbered seat with the part of the seat you sit on removed. The joy of standing was never the act of standing up, you can do that anytime, it was the freedom to roam which it afforded. IMHO a lot of fans don’t realise this Indeed. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on May 2, 2024 11:08:42 GMT
Watching Dortmund last night, 25,000 stand behind the goal at one end!! It looked like people had some freedom to move about?? Also amazed to see that there were metal fences caging them in??
And those big flags could easily have your eye out.....
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Post by Scouse on May 2, 2024 11:34:31 GMT
Watching Dortmund last night, 25,000 stand behind the goal at one end!! It looked like people had some freedom to move about?? Also amazed to see that there were metal fences caging them in?? And those big flags could easily have your eye out..... When used for standing think the German model allows upto a 1.5 : 1 ratio per seat / place . Here it’s 1:1 |
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Post by PotterLog on May 2, 2024 13:53:27 GMT
Its basically standing behind a numbered seat with the part of the seat you sit on removed. The joy of standing was never the act of standing up, it was the freedom to roam which it afforded. IMHO Yep. It’s mad that the act of standing has been vilified to such an extent that people herald heavily restricted standing as a massive victory. Standing didn’t cause stadium disasters, poor stadium design and poor stewarding/policing did. But the freedom to “roam” very much was a contributing factor in making old-style terrace standing unsafe. I’ve long been a supporter of standing sections but some restriction on positions and numbers per section is essential. |
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Post by ChesterStokie on May 2, 2024 14:51:43 GMT
It's not proper terracing with the freedom, and prices, that go with that but seems to be popular, anything that helps with atmosphere is a good thing Its basically standing behind a numbered seat with the part of the seat you sit on removed. The joy of standing was never the act of standing up, you can do that anytime, it was the freedom to roam which it afforded. IMHO Yes agree with that. At Soton it was the first time I had been in ‘safe standing’ and frankly it was no better or worse than just standing up by your seat like we have been doing for years in away grounds. A million miles away from proper standing on terracing. (On a minor point of detail you could sit down on the seat at Soton if you wanted to). |
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Post by lordb on May 2, 2024 17:37:01 GMT
Yep. It’s mad that the act of standing has been vilified to such an extent that people herald heavily restricted standing as a massive victory. Standing didn’t cause stadium disasters, poor stadium design and poor stewarding/policing did. But the freedom to “roam” very much was a contributing factor in making old-style terrace standing unsafe. I’ve long been a supporter of standing sections but some restriction on positions and numbers per section is essential. On the contrary the freedom made it safer it was restricting that freedom with the cages (not just fences at the front) that was an enormous factor at Hillsborough Stoke played an FA Cup replay the same season at Barnsley Because the South Yorkshire police had no understanding of football supporters they assumed we would take about 1800 as we had for a league game there We took about 8000 Because Britain's road systems are shit due to heavy traffic vast majority of that 8000 turned up late (& sober as no opportunity to go to the pub) Because South Yorkshire police had no idea what they were doing instead of opting for the sensible option of delaying KO (standard practice by other police forces in such scenarios) they went ahead as normal The lay out at Oakwell away end was essentially one lane in which soon got very crammed as the police on horseback using their riot sticks were forcing far too many people into a very small area very quickly Sound familiar? Anyway the key difference to Hillsborough was that although there was a fence at the front there were no cages, no side fences splitting the end into sections As such those Stoke fans already on the the terrace could simply move sideways as more and more came in As such no one died, crush was averted For the semi final again a large number of Liverpool fans were late and sober due to traffic issues again no delay to KO This time because of the cages and the attitude of the senior police in charge the deaths occurred The Ibrox disaster in 1971 ( I think) was different and undoubtedly the whole safety culture around football (not just South Yorkshire police) was appalling for a very long time but terracing in itself is not unsafe at all |
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Post by PotterLog on May 2, 2024 21:25:37 GMT
But the freedom to “roam” very much was a contributing factor in making old-style terrace standing unsafe. I’ve long been a supporter of standing sections but some restriction on positions and numbers per section is essential. On the contrary the freedom made it safer it was restricting that freedom with the cages (not just fences at the front) that was an enormous factor at Hillsborough Stoke played an FA Cup replay the same season at Barnsley Because the South Yorkshire police had no understanding of football supporters they assumed we would take about 1800 as we had for a league game there We took about 8000 Because Britain's road systems are shit due to heavy traffic vast majority of that 8000 turned up late (& sober as no opportunity to go to the pub) Because South Yorkshire police had no idea what they were doing instead of opting for the sensible option of delaying KO (standard practice by other police forces in such scenarios) they went ahead as normal The lay out at Oakwell away end was essentially one lane in which soon got very crammed as the police on horseback using their riot sticks were forcing far too many people into a very small area very quickly Sound familiar? Anyway the key difference to Hillsborough was that although there was a fence at the front there were no cages, no side fences splitting the end into sections As such those Stoke fans already on the the terrace could simply move sideways as more and more came in As such no one died, crush was averted For the semi final again a large number of Liverpool fans were late and sober due to traffic issues again no delay to KO This time because of the cages and the attitude of the senior police in charge the deaths occurred The Ibrox disaster in 1971 ( I think) was different and undoubtedly the whole safety culture around football (not just South Yorkshire police) was appalling for a very long time but terracing in itself is not unsafe at all Right, but I’m not on about penning people in, I was looking at it from the point of view that it was “freedom to roam” which allowed people to choose (or be directed towards) whichever pen they wanted, and large numbers of people to build up in areas not made to house them. With restricted numbers, positions and entry points that doesn’t happen. But aside from the major disasters, it’s just not safe to have a crowd of thousands (prone to unpredictability and volatility) milling freely around on a steeply banked terrace. Think of some of the injuries sustained and close shaves on the Boothen in days gone by |
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