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Post by clarkeda on Aug 26, 2024 8:47:02 GMT
Having supported Stoke for that length of time how you can still trust what goes on behind the scenes is something I find quite bewildering. Having been a Stoke fan for a similar period (maybe a little longer I’m 57) I have zero faith in what goes on behind the scenes under this or any other regime. A Coates being the overriding presence during the vast majority of that time. We will never know what truly happens, Fish might. But he’d be incredibly naive (which I don’t think he is judging how he’s handling himself on here) to tell you either way.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 8:51:43 GMT
Having supported Stoke for that length of time how you can still trust what goes on behind the scenes is something I find quite bewildering. Having been a Stoke fan for a similar period (maybe a little longer I’m 57) I have zero faith in what goes on behind the scenes under this or any other regime. A Coates being the overriding presence during the vast majority of that time. We will never know what truly happens, Fish might. But he’d be incredibly naive (which I don’t think he is judging how he’s handling himself on here) to tell you either way. I wouldn’t expect him to say anymore than he has maybe even less. I think maybe a slip yesterday highlighted a bit of disunity in the camp but only Benji really picked up on it and others as usual refuse to read between the lines.
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Post by LphPotter on Aug 26, 2024 8:51:56 GMT
Can't understand why deadline day finishes on the day when there is a full set of fixtures going on SAT. Why not have it on FRI night or even SUN? It is on Friday night but I think with there being a bank holiday today there would have been a reasonable argument to extend it to Monday evening. There’s a bank holiday a few days before the window closes every single season
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 26, 2024 8:54:00 GMT
We will never know what truly happens, Fish might. But he’d be incredibly naive (which I don’t think he is judging how he’s handling himself on here) to tell you either way. I wouldn’t expect him to say anymore than he has maybe even less. I think maybe a slip yesterday highlighted a bit of disunity in the camp but only Benji really picked up on it and others as usual refuse to read between the lines. The ever negative benji is trying to see what isn’t there. It happens all the time in transfer windows.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 8:57:34 GMT
It is on Friday night but I think with there being a bank holiday today there would have been a reasonable argument to extend it to Monday evening. There’s a bank holiday a few days before the window closes every single season “They’ve always done it like that” not sure that’s an argument that convinces me. Lots of transfers are always concluded very late. I’m not sure having a full business week to tie them up is unreasonable.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 9:01:22 GMT
I wouldn’t expect him to say anymore than he has maybe even less. I think maybe a slip yesterday highlighted a bit of disunity in the camp but only Benji really picked up on it and others as usual refuse to read between the lines. The ever negative benji is trying to see what isn’t there. It happens all the time in transfer windows. I don’t think he is personally. I don’t see there is unity in the management team and expect it not to see the season out. The philosophy of the next HC will be very telling.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2024 9:05:45 GMT
Can't understand why deadline day finishes on the day when there is a full set of fixtures going on SAT. Why not have it on FRI night or even SUN? I’d have it on Thursday. They’ve had 2 months to get these deals done. I don’t think it has any impact what day it is as regardless of the time the teams miraculously get deals done in minutes / hours. As has frequently been said before the window end needs to be bought to the start of the season not 2 weeks in. They also need to get rid of FFP or at least change it as it’s killing the game. There’ll be a point soon where 5-6 teams will be getting points deductions in a season and there’ll be numerous appeals for relegated teams. The funs gone out of the game because it’s become way to complicated.
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Post by moon on Aug 26, 2024 9:32:17 GMT
Can't understand why deadline day finishes on the day when there is a full set of fixtures going on SAT. Why not have it on FRI night or even SUN? Or just close it exactly one week before the season starts, I think it would be better for all involved.
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Post by thornestein on Aug 26, 2024 9:36:57 GMT
Can't understand why deadline day finishes on the day when there is a full set of fixtures going on SAT. Why not have it on FRI night or even SUN? Or just close it exactly one week before the season starts, I think it would be better for all involved. didn’t they try this a few years ago and all the clubs complained about it or am i imagining that 🤷♂️
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 26, 2024 9:37:16 GMT
Can't understand why deadline day finishes on the day when there is a full set of fixtures going on SAT. Why not have it on FRI night or even SUN? It closes at 11 on Friday night whilst the players/staff will be in a Devon hotel
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Post by LphPotter on Aug 26, 2024 9:40:08 GMT
There’s a bank holiday a few days before the window closes every single season “They’ve always done it like that” not sure that’s an argument that convinces me. Lots of transfers are always concluded very late. I’m not sure having a full business week to tie them up is unreasonable. They’ve had almost 3 months and have known about the bank holiday the whole time it’s not like it’s a sudden thing. The window should be shut before the season begins anyway
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 9:41:32 GMT
Or just close it exactly one week before the season starts, I think it would be better for all involved. didn’t they try this a few years ago and all the clubs complained about it or am i imagining that 🤷♂️ Mainly just don't think that would be fair on promoted clubs.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 9:44:35 GMT
“They’ve always done it like that” not sure that’s an argument that convinces me. Lots of transfers are always concluded very late. I’m not sure having a full business week to tie them up is unreasonable. They’ve had almost 3 months and have known about the bank holiday the whole time it’s not like it’s a sudden thing. The window should be shut before the season begins anyway Clubs promoted via the play offs have had about two and a half months to completely rejig the majority of their squad. If we ever get promoted people would be squealing like bitches about it
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 26, 2024 10:08:02 GMT
It is on Friday night but I think with there being a bank holiday today there would have been a reasonable argument to extend it to Monday evening. There’s a bank holiday a few days before the window closes every single season 👍. Hopefully people aren’t thinking (suggesting) that the recruitment process isn’t operating normally because it’s a bank holiday. 🙄🙄
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 10:20:12 GMT
There’s a bank holiday a few days before the window closes every single season 👍. Hopefully people aren’t thinking (suggesting) that the recruitment process isn’t operating normally because it’s a bank holiday. 🙄🙄 Who knows lets see how many deals get done today. I predict very few. Doesn't matter how desperate we are there have to be people at both ends for anything to happen.
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Aug 26, 2024 10:24:54 GMT
Can't understand why deadline day finishes on the day when there is a full set of fixtures going on SAT. Why not have it on FRI night or even SUN? Or just close it exactly one week before the season starts, I think it would be better for all involved. The issue with the transfer window is that it is international. If The EFL and EPL were to have a deadline of say the Friday before their season's start (they both start in different eeks anyway) You could have the situation where we cannot buy a player but we could lose players to the EPL or overseas. It would be good if all the leagues and FIFA UEFA could get together but elafuyes start at different dates in the calendar. Like other posters I hate the situation we have - which is pre-season for half the first team starts in September - but this goes for all clubs. Apart from in the 1st division where they can spend whatever the owner put into them - eg Birmingham City - That we can change the EFL should have the same rules throughout the three leagues.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 26, 2024 10:26:15 GMT
5 days left. I’d imagine some of the in and out links will begin to surface today? Will the recruitment team be working on a bank holiday ? Most definitely yes but nothing can be done today with banks closed.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 26, 2024 10:31:00 GMT
👍. Hopefully people aren’t thinking (suggesting) that the recruitment process isn’t operating normally because it’s a bank holiday. 🙄🙄 Who knows lets see how many deals get done today. I predict very few. Doesn't matter how desperate we are there have to be people at both ends for anything to happen. Impossible to finalise a deal when the banks aren't working.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 10:34:12 GMT
Who knows lets see how many deals get done today. I predict very few. Doesn't matter how desperate we are there have to be people at both ends for anything to happen. Impossible to finalise a deal when the banks aren't working. Dunno I can move money 24/7 365 don't imagine it's impossible. What other part would banks play in a football transfer??
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 26, 2024 10:34:53 GMT
Or just close it exactly one week before the season starts, I think it would be better for all involved. The issue with the transfer window is that it is international. If The EFL and EPL were to have a deadline of say the Friday before their season's start (they both start in different eeks anyway) You could have the situation where we cannot buy a player but we could lose players to the EPL or overseas. It would be good if all the leagues and FIFA UEFA could get together but elafuyes start at different dates in the calendar. Like other posters I hate the situation we have - which is pre-season for half the first team starts in September - but this goes for all clubs. Apart from in the 1st division where they can spend whatever the owner put into them - eg Birmingham City - That we can change the EFL should have the same rules throughout the three leagues. We tried it a few seasons ago. The window shut on the eve of the season but it was disastrous. European clubs had until the end of the month so could buy players from English clubs but not sell to them which understandably wasn't liked by the Premier teams but also had a knock on effect on players who might have moved to the lower leagues a few weeks later
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 26, 2024 10:38:10 GMT
Who knows lets see how many deals get done today. I predict very few. Doesn't matter how desperate we are there have to be people at both ends for anything to happen. Impossible to finalise a deal when the banks aren't working. Just paid my car insurance, didn't say come back tomorrow.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 26, 2024 10:39:21 GMT
Impossible to finalise a deal when the banks aren't working. Dunno I can move money 24/7 365 don't imagine it's impossible. What other part would banks play in a football transfer?? I think you'll find that although you can arrange the move, a lot of banks don't complete it until the next working day. If a club allowed a player to sign official transfer and registration papers to another club before confirmation that the transfer of funds had gone through they'd be in a real mess. On the days when transfer deadline should be on a bank holiday the window is always extended by a day.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 10:39:42 GMT
The issue with the transfer window is that it is international. If The EFL and EPL were to have a deadline of say the Friday before their season's start (they both start in different eeks anyway) You could have the situation where we cannot buy a player but we could lose players to the EPL or overseas. It would be good if all the leagues and FIFA UEFA could get together but elafuyes start at different dates in the calendar. Like other posters I hate the situation we have - which is pre-season for half the first team starts in September - but this goes for all clubs. Apart from in the 1st division where they can spend whatever the owner put into them - eg Birmingham City - That we can change the EFL should have the same rules throughout the three leagues. We tried it a few seasons ago. The window shut on the eve of the season but it was disastrous. European clubs had until the end of the month so could buy players from English clubs but not sell to them which understandably wasn't liked by the Premier teams but also had a knock on effect on players who might have moved to the lower leagues a few weeks later I think it's been a long time since there being a transfer window had a disrupting effect on team preparation. How many managers/HC's are actually involved in negotiating deals nowadays. they'll lose the odd player who they already know might move on for a days training here and there.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2024 10:42:27 GMT
I just bought Haribo at Tesco Express so my normal day is fine
I think deadline day relies on being able to draw money out of your post office to pay for a new player
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 26, 2024 10:45:06 GMT
I just bought Haribo at Tesco Express so my normal day is fine I think deadline day relies on being able to draw money out of your post office to pay for a new player Postal Orders are the way, but only up to £250. So should still get the striker in we are after.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 10:45:21 GMT
Dunno I can move money 24/7 365 don't imagine it's impossible. What other part would banks play in a football transfer?? I think you'll find that although you can arrange the move, a lot of banks don't complete it until the next working day. If a club allowed a player to sign official transfer and registration papers to another club before confirmation that the transfer of funds had gone through they'd be in a real mess. On the days when transfer deadline should be on a bank holiday the window is always extended by a day. I just don't get that. You can still move money and there are still people working in bank security departments who will facilitate a money transfer if it's declined because say it's a larger than normal amount. I've had bank transfers declined when buying cars for instance outside of business hours. The system produces a number for you to ring and there are people there who eventually answer the phone and sort it out for you. I'm not sure banks are ever totally closed in this day and age.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 26, 2024 10:45:37 GMT
We tried it a few seasons ago. The window shut on the eve of the season but it was disastrous. European clubs had until the end of the month so could buy players from English clubs but not sell to them which understandably wasn't liked by the Premier teams but also had a knock on effect on players who might have moved to the lower leagues a few weeks later I think it's been a long time since there being a transfer window had a disrupting effect on team preparation. How many managers/HC's are actually involved in negotiating deals nowadays. they'll lose the odd player who they already know might move on for a days training here and there. So you don't think there would be a disrupting effect if you think you have your finalised squad and the club then receive an offer for a player which the board feel they have to accept from a European club. You can't replace said player until January? Or you want a player from Europe but their club feel they may get a better offer from another European club if they wait until the end of their window and because our window has closed English clubs cannot come in with a late offer. We have to work with European leagues.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 26, 2024 10:47:21 GMT
I think you'll find that although you can arrange the move, a lot of banks don't complete it until the next working day. If a club allowed a player to sign official transfer and registration papers to another club before confirmation that the transfer of funds had gone through they'd be in a real mess. On the days when transfer deadline should be on a bank holiday the window is always extended by a day. I just don't get that. You can still move money and there are still people working in bank security departments who will facilitate a money transfer if it's declined because say it's a larger than normal amount. I've had bank transfers declined when buying cars for instance outside of business hours. The system produces a number for you to ring and there are people there who eventually answer the phone and sort it out for you. I'm not sure banks are ever totally closed in this day and age. How many times do you try to transfer millions of pounds? Out of working hours my bank gives the option of 'next working day' or a future date of my choosing.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2024 10:47:33 GMT
I just bought Haribo at Tesco Express so my normal day is fine I think deadline day relies on being able to draw money out of your post office to pay for a new player Postal Orders are the way, but only up to £250. So should still get the striker in we are after. Good point😁 The bonus of a signing on fee of a TV license stamp Still too much than we should have paid for Pearson though for me
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 10:51:14 GMT
I think it's been a long time since there being a transfer window had a disrupting effect on team preparation. How many managers/HC's are actually involved in negotiating deals nowadays. they'll lose the odd player who they already know might move on for a days training here and there. So you don't think there would be a disrupting effect if you think you have your finalised squad and the club then receive an offer for a player which the board feel they have to accept from a European club. You can't replace said player until January? Or you want a player from Europe but their club feel they may get a better offer from another European club if they wait until the end of their window and because our window has closed English clubs cannot come in with a late offer. We have to work with European leagues. No I don't think these thing come completely out of the blue. clubs have known pretty much who they might buy and who they might sell for quite some time by this stage. It's like the fantasy that clubs bid for players without any encouragement they've already been given it by agents before they ever contact the selling club. It may never happen because the player and agent may just be using it to manipulate the selling club (SJW).
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