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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 19, 2024 16:41:05 GMT
Shearer and Liniker were on about this on their podcast the other day. The traditional number 9 is all but dead It’s a horrible development and modern coaches are to blame. They’ve taken the game down a blind alley. A blind alley with lots of trophies in it.
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Post by banksy1art on Jul 19, 2024 16:41:35 GMT
We seem to always go into the season with major gaps most seasons most teams could say the same
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Post by baconburger on Jul 19, 2024 16:45:48 GMT
It’s a horrible development and modern coaches are to blame. They’ve taken the game down a blind alley. A blind alley with lots of trophies in it. What they’re all winning loads of trophies or just the bloke they’re trying to emulate?? Who strangely enough fields a CF who scores goals.
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Post by etebojan on Jul 19, 2024 17:11:46 GMT
Dear Stoke City, Steven and 'Mr Walters'
Please sign someone for f**ksake!
Kind Regards
Me
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Post by loustokiefc on Jul 19, 2024 17:12:28 GMT
Love how people talk like we aren't actively trying to sign a striker. Actively trying and actually managing to get a deal over the line are two completely different things old boy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 17:18:45 GMT
A blind alley with lots of trophies in it. What they’re all winning loads of trophies or just the bloke they’re trying to emulate?? Who strangely enough fields a CF who scores goals. Great thinking, really. Change the face of football, convince your competitors that tikataka/False 9 is the way to go, then introduce a proper 9 and clean up 😉
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 19, 2024 17:37:37 GMT
Love how people talk like we aren't actively trying to sign a striker. Actively trying and actually managing to get a deal over the line are two completely different things old boy 1. I know they are. 2. I'm not old (maybe in spirit)
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 19, 2024 17:39:44 GMT
Waiting until the end of the transfer window to bring a first choice striker in with Campbell and Wesley gone is something I don’t want to happen and don’t think will happen. How many games will we have played by August 31? A good start and the momentum it would give is crucial. Let’s set up as strong as we can and then bring in a couple of loanees by the end of the window perhaps. How many games in total did Campbell and Wesley start last season? I doubt if they played a season between them. Their goal contribution was Campbell's three and 1 assist. I don't remember either of them really affecting matches. I don't think we'll be too worried about their absence. Ennis, Mmaee and Tezgel are better options.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 19, 2024 18:20:29 GMT
We seem to always go into the season with major gaps most seasons we never learn our lesson on that
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Post by george2again on Jul 19, 2024 18:22:13 GMT
Waiting until the end of the transfer window to bring a first choice striker in with Campbell and Wesley gone is something I don’t want to happen and don’t think will happen. How many games will we have played by August 31? A good start and the momentum it would give is crucial. Let’s set up as strong as we can and then bring in a couple of loanees by the end of the window perhaps. How many games in total did Campbell and Wesley start last season? I doubt if they played a season between them. Their goal contribution was Campbell's three and 1 assist. I don't remember either of them really affecting matches. I don't think we'll be too worried about their absence. Ennis, Mmaee and Tezgel are better options. They really arnt this are they. We need two new strikers desperately.
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Post by lordb on Jul 19, 2024 18:25:02 GMT
We seem to always go into the season with major gaps most seasons we never learn our lesson on that It's the same for every team, that's just the nature of the transfer window it won't change unless either the window shuts before the season starts (it would be shut already ideally) or better still it's got rid of altogether
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Post by whatsashig on Jul 19, 2024 18:45:24 GMT
A blind alley with lots of trophies in it. What they’re all winning loads of trophies or just the bloke they’re trying to emulate?? Who strangely enough fields a CF who scores goals. Agree, it’s just the dood in charge of some of the best players on planet doing his thing, and the trend is to follow, does it suggest then that coaches of ‘chasing’ teams follow suite rather than creating a team in there own mold. I’m pretty convinced Hughes had a brain fart after wales did well in a tournament with 3 at the back and he tried it even though didn’t have the right players to do it, only part of our demise though. Footy hey, just want watch exciting nogger, not pretty footy possession based footy for 80 minutes to only find your self watching a team that can turn it on for 10 minutes.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 19, 2024 18:48:07 GMT
we never learn our lesson on that It's the same for every team, that's just the nature of the transfer window it won't change unless either the window shuts before the season starts (it would be shut already ideally) or better still it's got rid of altogether i don’t think it is tbh , and i mean the complete season not just till the window shuts
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Post by whatsashig on Jul 19, 2024 18:51:27 GMT
How many games in total did Campbell and Wesley start last season? I doubt if they played a season between them. Their goal contribution was Campbell's three and 1 assist. I don't remember either of them really affecting matches. I don't think we'll be too worried about their absence. Ennis, Mmaee and Tezgel are better options. They really arnt this are they. We need two new strikers desperately. Where did desperate get last season? Yeah we need but desperate can lead to useless more easily.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 18:51:50 GMT
I keep saying it but people clearly aren't or haven't been listening to their hero, Walters, when he's been saying that the club either need or want to really cut down the squad. If you're going to hero worship him and hang on his every word at least listen to the bloody things that you're hanging on to. 🤣
We still have 25+ players including the young lads. I know the U21s don't count towards the 25 but Walters specifically said they want a smaller squad to create a bigger pathway for the younger players.
That doesn't equate with a mad scramble for warm bodies that we're seeing here on a daily basis.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2024 18:54:06 GMT
The only glaring gap is a striker right?
I mean we still need imo a centre back and two central midfielders too but we can wait there as the current ones are ok.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 19, 2024 19:06:51 GMT
I keep saying it but people clearly aren't or haven't been listening to their hero, Walters, when he's been saying that the club either need or want to really cut down the squad. If you're going to hero worship him and hang on his every word at least listen to the bloody things that you're hanging on to. 🤣 We still have 25+ players including the young lads. I know the U21s don't count towards the 25 but Walters specifically said they want a smaller squad to create a bigger pathway for the younger players. That doesn't equate with a mad scramble for warm bodies that we're seeing here on a daily basis. There’s definitely room for a striker.
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Post by march4 on Jul 19, 2024 19:13:40 GMT
5 loan spaces. I wonder where.
Right back Attacking midfield Striker Centre back Not sure for the 5th.
And then surely we will bring in another forward permanently.
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Post by lordb on Jul 19, 2024 19:15:01 GMT
5 loan spaces. I wonder where. Right back Attacking midfield Striker Centre back Not sure for the 5th. And then surely we will bring in another forward permanently. Don't think we will sign 5 loans, possibly none but more like 1 or 2
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 19, 2024 19:16:14 GMT
I keep saying it but people clearly aren't or haven't been listening to their hero, Walters, when he's been saying that the club either need or want to really cut down the squad. If you're going to hero worship him and hang on his every word at least listen to the bloody things that you're hanging on to. 🤣 We still have 25+ players including the young lads. I know the U21s don't count towards the 25 but Walters specifically said they want a smaller squad to create a bigger pathway for the younger players. That doesn't equate with a mad scramble for warm bodies that we're seeing here on a daily basis. "Their hero, Walters"... you can't resist, love it.
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Post by i1da on Jul 19, 2024 19:26:04 GMT
What they’re all winning loads of trophies or just the bloke they’re trying to emulate?? Who strangely enough fields a CF who scores goals. Agree, it’s just the dood in charge of some of the best players on planet doing his thing, and the trend is to follow, does it suggest then that coaches of ‘chasing’ teams follow suite rather than creating a team in there own mold. I’m pretty convinced Hughes had a brain fart after wales did well in a tournament with 3 at the back and he tried it even though didn’t have the right players to do it, only part of our demise though. Footy hey, just want watch exciting nogger, not pretty footy possession based footy for 80 minutes to only find your self watching a team that can turn it on for 10 minutes. It's not even pretty! What would you prefer to watch tippy tappy build from the back dozens of times just to return to your own half to build again, or cut and thrust, get the ball and dash up field to try and score?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 19, 2024 19:31:00 GMT
I keep saying it but people clearly aren't or haven't been listening to their hero, Walters, when he's been saying that the club either need or want to really cut down the squad. If you're going to hero worship him and hang on his every word at least listen to the bloody things that you're hanging on to. 🤣 We still have 25+ players including the young lads. I know the U21s don't count towards the 25 but Walters specifically said they want a smaller squad to create a bigger pathway for the younger players. That doesn't equate with a mad scramble for warm bodies that we're seeing here on a daily basis. I haven’t seen one person hero worship him. Who are you referring to?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 19, 2024 19:44:52 GMT
I keep saying it but people clearly aren't or haven't been listening to their hero, Walters, when he's been saying that the club either need or want to really cut down the squad. If you're going to hero worship him and hang on his every word at least listen to the bloody things that you're hanging on to. 🤣 We still have 25+ players including the young lads. I know the U21s don't count towards the 25 but Walters specifically said they want a smaller squad to create a bigger pathway for the younger players. That doesn't equate with a mad scramble for warm bodies that we're seeing here on a daily basis. "Their hero, Walters"... you can't resist, love it. As predictable as a James McLean cross hitting the full backs arse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 19:51:26 GMT
I keep saying it but people clearly aren't or haven't been listening to their hero, Walters, when he's been saying that the club either need or want to really cut down the squad. If you're going to hero worship him and hang on his every word at least listen to the bloody things that you're hanging on to. 🤣 We still have 25+ players including the young lads. I know the U21s don't count towards the 25 but Walters specifically said they want a smaller squad to create a bigger pathway for the younger players. That doesn't equate with a mad scramble for warm bodies that we're seeing here on a daily basis. "Their hero, Walters"... you can't resist, love it. <holds hands up> Hey, I don't make the rules...
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Post by baconburger on Jul 19, 2024 19:52:28 GMT
What they’re all winning loads of trophies or just the bloke they’re trying to emulate?? Who strangely enough fields a CF who scores goals. Agree, it’s just the dood in charge of some of the best players on planet doing his thing, and the trend is to follow, does it suggest then that coaches of ‘chasing’ teams follow suite rather than creating a team in there own mold. I’m pretty convinced Hughes had a brain fart after wales did well in a tournament with 3 at the back and he tried it even though didn’t have the right players to do it, only part of our demise though. Footy hey, just want watch exciting nogger, not pretty footy possession based footy for 80 minutes to only find your self watching a team that can turn it on for 10 minutes. I think it’s pretty natural to try to emulate there really aren’t that many original thinkers out there. I’d just like to see someone who takes bits they like from all over the place and tries to meld them into something exciting and hopefully winning. I’d watch everyone I got a chance to watch and could watch a competitor coming last and performing really badly but notice one thing they did that I’d think to myself maybe I could use that technique myself to improve something I considered a weakness. So you’ve got to understand your weaknesses and where you can improve and work hard on them whilst never overlooking your strengths and expect to find answers in the most unlikely places, unless you’re a genius with the vision to reinvent the wheel. The bloke at the top hasn’t got all the answers and even when you are the bloke at the top there are things you could take from the bloke at the bottom to improve yourself even further ensuring you remain the bloke at the top.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 19, 2024 19:54:21 GMT
I like our midfield, but for me too many of the personnel get too easily pushed off the ball/outmuscled, Burger and Baker especially, feel we still need a tough ball winner.
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Post by JesusisaStokie on Jul 19, 2024 19:54:48 GMT
I think the last time we had a balanced squad we ended up fucking it buy signing Joe Allen 😂 I can't remember us not having gaps since
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Post by baconburger on Jul 19, 2024 20:03:34 GMT
I like our midfield, but for me too many of the personnel get too easily pushed off the ball/outmuscled, Burger and Baker especially, feel we still need a tough ball winner. I doubt you’ll find many better ball winners than Burger at this level. Quite how you equate him with Baker I just can’t fathom. Baker is a massive Fanny.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 20:06:44 GMT
I keep saying it but people clearly aren't or haven't been listening to their hero, Walters, when he's been saying that the club either need or want to really cut down the squad. If you're going to hero worship him and hang on his every word at least listen to the bloody things that you're hanging on to. 🤣 We still have 25+ players including the young lads. I know the U21s don't count towards the 25 but Walters specifically said they want a smaller squad to create a bigger pathway for the younger players. That doesn't equate with a mad scramble for warm bodies that we're seeing here on a daily basis. I haven’t seen one person hero worship him. Who are you referring to? The serious point here though is we've had fans falling over themselves to give him credit before his backside had touched the chair. We had one particular lunatic on here try and give him credit for the training ground revamp that is starting in September, when it was originally announced way before he joined. Anyhow, the point is we have that many people just literally happy clapping anything he does yet are refusing to listen to his very basic (and sensible for a change...) outline of a plan for the squad this summer, and are starting to act like Verruca Salt because we haven't had a bus load of signings walk through the door - when it was always clear it wasn't going to happen. That's before you factor in that Schumacher was always going to want to take a good, second look at some of the fringe players that he couldn't last season because of the situation we were in. The two key signings for me were always going to be a younger left back and a goalkeeper - of which we've already got.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 19, 2024 20:24:05 GMT
I haven’t seen one person hero worship him. Who are you referring to? The serious point here though is we've had fans falling over themselves to give him credit before his backside had touched the chair. We had one particular lunatic on here try and give him credit for the training ground revamp that is starting in September, when it was originally announced way before he joined. Anyhow, the point is we have that many people just literally happy clapping anything he does yet are refusing to listen to his very basic (and sensible for a change...) outline of a plan for the squad this summer, and are starting to act like Verruca Salt because we haven't had a bus load of signings walk through the door - when it was always clear it wasn't going to happen. That's before you factor in that Schumacher was always going to want to take a good, second look at some of the fringe players that he couldn't last season because of the situation we were in. The two key signings for me were always going to be a younger left back and a goalkeeper - of which we've already got. The reality is nobody will know if he’s a success or failure until at least another 6 months have passed. I’ve seen posters who were happy with his appointment (I’m one) because of their feelings about him as a former player. But I’m not sure I’ve seen any hero worshipping. Our sluggish progress in the the transfer market is concerning but maybe that’s due to financial constraints and/or a reluctance from the owners to splash too much cash. I think the overall vibes are good though. A focus on signing young players and a general feeling of a growing togetherness are welcome signs. That said we’re looking at a club that has made mistakes on a regular and monumental scale for nearly a decade. We’re not going to fix that overnight. Patience is the key.
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