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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2024 11:59:36 GMT
Thinking about it the exception to that would be if such a loan was likely to lead to a permanent deal But a loan with no/very little chance of permanent deal, no ta An actual genuine decent striker yes please but that appears hugely unlikely to me Play Tezgel, and Lowe for that matter, let them develop in our side rather than just sign players like Ennis We all want that quality signing but just don't see it happening Ennis is fine for sitting on the bench mainly. Having Tezgel sit on the bench mainly won't do him or us a bit of good. Obviously we shouldn't be taking a premier league loan unless they'll be getting a lot of minutes on merit not because of a punitive loan deal. If we don't sign a striker I can only see us struggling massively again. If we cant get the decent standard striker we want don't put Tezgel on the bench or loan just play him in the team we won't be troubling the top end in this scenario but still think we will be better than last season due to the overall changes since last December however maybe we will be the lucky club that gets Cannon form Leicester or maybe we will get a decent player from abroad can't see us buying a decent standard striker from within English football, very few available & probably none for our budget (£5m? for a striker. maybe a bit more? if we had more I think Parrott would be here) & that's not factoring in the 20 odd other Championship clubs who will be after the same thing Tezgel might flourish of course & get 10+ goals himself < only one way to find out > that's best case scenario I guess worst case is we spend money on a plodding duffer It's a (far too) long window so lets see Tezgel in the friendlies in the meantime season starts well before window shuts too, we could play him in the first few games too don't like the situation but I think thats the best way to go about, sign quality or sign no-one & play the youth
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Post by tommystoke123 on Jul 13, 2024 12:12:20 GMT
With Moore going to Sheff Utd, you’d think that would free up McBurnie going somewhere, similar type of players
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Post by march4 on Jul 13, 2024 12:15:00 GMT
With Moore going to Sheff Utd, you’d think that would free up McBurnie going somewhere, similar type of players Has their takeover gone through yet?
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Post by Middle White Stripe on Jul 13, 2024 12:15:19 GMT
I think it will be 6 more signings, I can see Laurent, Johnson and Baker leaving, possibly loans for Tezgel and Lowe. Hope you're wrong with a Tezgel loan.... I'm beginning to think now's the time to take your chance!!! I'll be missed off if tezgel goes on loan. He needs to be starting for us!
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Post by tommystoke123 on Jul 13, 2024 12:17:37 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jul 13, 2024 12:26:54 GMT
Ennis is fine for sitting on the bench mainly. Having Tezgel sit on the bench mainly won't do him or us a bit of good. Obviously we shouldn't be taking a premier league loan unless they'll be getting a lot of minutes on merit not because of a punitive loan deal. If we don't sign a striker I can only see us struggling massively again. If we cant get the decent standard striker we want don't put Tezgel on the bench or loan just play him in the team we won't be troubling the top end in this scenario but still think we will be better than last season due to the overall changes since last December however maybe we will be the lucky club that gets Cannon form Leicester or maybe we will get a decent player from abroad can't see us buying a decent standard striker from within English football, very few available & probably none for our budget (£5m? for a striker. maybe a bit more? if we had more I think Parrott would be here) & that's not factoring in the 20 odd other Championship clubs who will be after the same thing Tezgel might flourish of course & get 10+ goals himself < only one way to find out > that's best case scenario I guess worst case is we spend money on a plodding duffer It's a (far too) long window so lets see Tezgel in the friendlies in the meantime season starts well before window shuts too, we could play him in the first few games too don't like the situation but I think thats the best way to go about, sign quality or sign no-one & play the youth Think thats's almost inviting a repeat of last season. There aren't enough goals or creativity in the squad. No guarantees even by signing players we hope will help with that situation but not signing any is gross negligence. Our options weren't great last season and we're a few players down on what we had then. Doing nothing is not an option.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 13, 2024 12:28:48 GMT
Hope you're wrong with a Tezgel loan.... I'm beginning to think now's the time to take your chance!!! I'll be missed off if tezgel goes on loan. He needs to be starting for us! How has a player who wasn't starting or scoring goals regularly in league two last season made such a leap in your mind??????
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 13, 2024 12:37:56 GMT
Where have all these ITK merchants gone? Bloody charlatans the lot of ya.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 13, 2024 12:39:56 GMT
If we stick with a formation that uses 1 central striker then IMO we need a pool of 4. We need options to change the formation where and when possible and if Tezgel is in that pool, we know he can get injured for vast amounts of the season.
So:
1. NEW 2. Mmaee 3. Tezgel 4. Ennis - Because let's face it, he isn't going anywhere.
I would also take a player who can play wide and down the middle to replace what Campbell or Brown could give us.
Lowe needs to be loaned out ASAP. League 2 preferably if he can get the minutes.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 13, 2024 12:45:08 GMT
If we stick with a formation that uses 1 central striker then IMO we need a pool of 4. We need options to change the formation where and when possible and if Tezgel is in that pool, we know he can get injured for vast amounts of the season. So: 1. NEW 2. Mmaee 3. Tezgel 4. Ennis - Because let's face it, he isn't going anywhere. I would also take a player who can play wide and down the middle to replace what Campbell or Brown could give us. Lowe needs to be loaned out ASAP. League 2 preferably if he can get the minutes. Being 3rd choice striker would be terrible for Tezgel's development. He needs to be playing plenty of minutes every week not a few minutes here and there. We need to buy a CF and get a loan who can play across the front line. Sets us up with a core of a squad where additions and loans can be the icing on the cake.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 13, 2024 12:47:41 GMT
If we stick with a formation that uses 1 central striker then IMO we need a pool of 4. We need options to change the formation where and when possible and if Tezgel is in that pool, we know he can get injured for vast amounts of the season. So: 1. NEW 2. Mmaee 3. Tezgel 4. Ennis - Because let's face it, he isn't going anywhere. I would also take a player who can play wide and down the middle to replace what Campbell or Brown could give us. Lowe needs to be loaned out ASAP. League 2 preferably if he can get the minutes. Being 3rd choice striker would be terrible for Tezgel's development. He needs to be playing plenty of minutes every week not a few minutes here and there. We need to buy a CF and get a loan who can play across the front line. Sets us up with a core of a squad where additions and loans can be the icing on the cake. I'm happy with either scenario tbh. I was just following the ideas based on Tezgel being in our pool of strikers rather than loaned out. 3rd choice would get plenty of minutes tbh, with 2 cup competitions until at least end of January.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 13, 2024 12:59:21 GMT
Where have all these ITK merchants gone? Bloody charlatans the lot of ya. Last man standing. They've scurried away like cockroaches in the light on your Euro 24 player signing that will rock the city.
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Post by gonk on Jul 13, 2024 13:33:01 GMT
Looking at that article it says Archer has gone back to Villa,didn’t think he was on loan.Or was it a deal like the one forJaden Philogene at Hull ?.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 13, 2024 13:36:09 GMT
Looking at that article it says Archer has gone back to Villa,didn’t think he was on loan.Or was it a deal like the one forJaden Philogene at Hull ?. He was sol for 18m but if they got relegated they could have him back. Sheffield it'd only paid 3m of the fee though.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 13, 2024 13:54:59 GMT
Looking at that article it says Archer has gone back to Villa,didn’t think he was on loan.Or was it a deal like the one forJaden Philogene at Hull ?. Villa have developed a tactic to get round Profit & Sustainability rules & now the latest deadline has passed at the end of June they're starting to recall their young talent back in! Years gone by they'd have just been loaned out but they've mastered a way of keeping under the P&S limits buy selling players & keeping tabs & a tight reign on their promising youngsters at the same time. Rules are there to be breached & worked around to gain an advantage, Villa been doing just that.
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2024 14:00:08 GMT
If we cant get the decent standard striker we want don't put Tezgel on the bench or loan just play him in the team we won't be troubling the top end in this scenario but still think we will be better than last season due to the overall changes since last December however maybe we will be the lucky club that gets Cannon form Leicester or maybe we will get a decent player from abroad can't see us buying a decent standard striker from within English football, very few available & probably none for our budget (£5m? for a striker. maybe a bit more? if we had more I think Parrott would be here) & that's not factoring in the 20 odd other Championship clubs who will be after the same thing Tezgel might flourish of course & get 10+ goals himself < only one way to find out > that's best case scenario I guess worst case is we spend money on a plodding duffer It's a (far too) long window so lets see Tezgel in the friendlies in the meantime season starts well before window shuts too, we could play him in the first few games too don't like the situation but I think thats the best way to go about, sign quality or sign no-one & play the youth Think thats's almost inviting a repeat of last season. There aren't enough goals or creativity in the squad. No guarantees even by signing players we hope will help with that situation but not signing any is gross negligence. Our options weren't great last season and we're a few players down on what we had then. Doing nothing is not an option. Disagree Schumacher approach is fundamentally different to AN Manhoef has made a big difference Doing nothing is not an option but signing anyone for the sake of it leads to Ennis However not suggesting doing nothing if we haven't got the budget to sign a difference maker striker then spend what we have on other players in other areas who will add creativity and a goal or two eg Cundle for £1.5m or Duncan Maguire for £2.5m (these are the reported asking prices) and play Tezgel rather than spend £5m on a striker who isn't good enough
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 13, 2024 14:05:31 GMT
With Moore going to Sheff Utd, you’d think that would free up McBurnie going somewhere, similar type of players Or wilder is going with 442 and they will literally bully defences to death , that’s an enormously powerful front 2 hurl it in the mixer get players around then and virtually impossible to defend at this level . Suigning Moore wil make anyone a good top 6 bet
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Post by march4 on Jul 13, 2024 14:08:54 GMT
If we stick with a formation that uses 1 central striker then IMO we need a pool of 4. We need options to change the formation where and when possible and if Tezgel is in that pool, we know he can get injured for vast amounts of the season. So: 1. NEW 2. Mmaee 3. Tezgel 4. Ennis - Because let's face it, he isn't going anywhere. I would also take a player who can play wide and down the middle to replace what Campbell or Brown could give us. Lowe needs to be loaned out ASAP. League 2 preferably if he can get the minutes. I would prefer 1. New 2. New 3. Tezgel 4. Ennis
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 13, 2024 14:10:31 GMT
If we stick with a formation that uses 1 central striker then IMO we need a pool of 4. We need options to change the formation where and when possible and if Tezgel is in that pool, we know he can get injured for vast amounts of the season. So: 1. NEW 2. Mmaee 3. Tezgel 4. Ennis - Because let's face it, he isn't going anywhere. I would also take a player who can play wide and down the middle to replace what Campbell or Brown could give us. Lowe needs to be loaned out ASAP. League 2 preferably if he can get the minutes. I would prefer 1. New 2. New 3. Tezgel 4. Ennis Wouldn't be against it, but I just don't see us selling either Mmaee or Ennis. I could see us making 1 big signing to be the number 1 and then a loan coming in who can play wide or centrally.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 13, 2024 14:11:51 GMT
Has Tyrese signed with anyone yet?
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 13, 2024 14:32:36 GMT
We have to give Mmaee a chance this season. Still think he can hit at least 10+ goals if we use him properly. There’s a very good player there. Though I don’t deny, we still need to bring in a 1st choice striker too. Competition is vital.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 13, 2024 14:43:51 GMT
We have to give Mmaee a chance this season. Still think he can hit at least 10+ goals if we use him properly. There’s a very good player there. Though I don’t deny, we still need to bring in a 1st choice striker too. Competition is vital. We don't and shouldn't have to do anything to accommodate Mmaee. If he stays which I think is inevitable given our dearth of strikers he should not be a starter but have opportunities to make a case from the bench. He had loads of opportunities last season and did nothing to suggest he should be a first choice pick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 15:25:33 GMT
We have to give Mmaee a chance this season. Still think he can hit at least 10+ goals if we use him properly. There’s a very good player there. Though I don’t deny, we still need to bring in a 1st choice striker too. Competition is vital. Not necessarily a first choice striker for me, just a striker with different attributes. Mmaee is more technical, can drop deep and link the play which is ideal against certain teams. Against others, you'll need a more big and physical striker that can stretch the backline in behind. It's that player we don't really have.
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2024 15:29:23 GMT
We have to give Mmaee a chance this season. Still think he can hit at least 10+ goals if we use him properly. There’s a very good player there. Though I don’t deny, we still need to bring in a 1st choice striker too. Competition is vital. Not necessarily a first choice striker for me, just a striker with different attributes. Mmaee is more technical, can drop deep and link the play which is ideal against certain teams. Against others, you'll need a more big and physical striker that can stretch the backline in behind. It's that player we don't really have. He'd be a cracking creative foil for a goalscorer in a 442 or 352 He's just not going to get in the box enough to score enough goals if playing any formation with just one down the middle To be fair this is the case for vast majority of strikers everywhere, they need to play in a pair
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 13, 2024 15:35:17 GMT
Has Tyrese signed with anyone yet? With everything he's been through in recent weeks he probably hasn't even given it a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 15:37:20 GMT
Not necessarily a first choice striker for me, just a striker with different attributes. Mmaee is more technical, can drop deep and link the play which is ideal against certain teams. Against others, you'll need a more big and physical striker that can stretch the backline in behind. It's that player we don't really have. He'd be a cracking creative foil for a goalscorer in a 442 or 352 He's just not going to get in the box enough to score enough goals if playing any formation with just one down the middle To be fair this is the case for vast majority of strikers everywhere, they need to play in a pair I said it a lot last season when Mmaee was getting pelters. We really need a goalscorer (or two) out wide if we're playing one up front in this system. Blackburn have done it really well with Armstrong and Brereton recently, and done well with Szmodics as a goalscoring '10' if you like. Schumacher himself did it well with Whittaker at Plymouth. As you say, very rarely do you get a one up front striker that hits goals for fun at this level.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 13, 2024 15:38:48 GMT
Has Tyrese signed with anyone yet? With everything he's been through in recent weeks he probably hasn't even given it a thought. Aye fair point
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2024 15:41:06 GMT
He'd be a cracking creative foil for a goalscorer in a 442 or 352 He's just not going to get in the box enough to score enough goals if playing any formation with just one down the middle To be fair this is the case for vast majority of strikers everywhere, they need to play in a pair I said it a lot last season when Mmaee was getting pelters. We really need a goalscorer (or two) out wide if we're playing one up front in this system. Blackburn have done it really well with Armstrong and Brereton recently, and done well with Szmodics as a goalscoring '10' if you like. Schumacher himself did it well with Whittaker at Plymouth. As you say, very rarely do you get a one up front striker that hits goals for fun. If Mmaee does play as we saw in his last game v Albion he can play in Bae, Manhoef and Cundle running through (or Baker if the Chester game is any evidence) really well He's a good player
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 13, 2024 15:50:33 GMT
Tom Edwards signed for Salford.
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jul 13, 2024 15:51:54 GMT
Tom Edwards signed for Salford. Fair play to him.
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