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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2024 10:07:14 GMT
Best years behind him I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 10:08:04 GMT
Thank god for that. Was shaking like a shitting dog that he might end up here. Average at best and those years are soon to be if not already behind him.
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Post by haway on Jul 11, 2024 10:12:24 GMT
Best years behind him I think. I like him, good old experienced CM on a free who was player of the year at Preston last season. Given the fact our midfield is full of kids, it’s exactly the type we need. He wouldn’t do much at a squad with a lot of experience in midfield like yourselves with Pearson and Johnson etc, but with a young squad he’s needed as the calming influence.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 11, 2024 10:13:38 GMT
Always plays well against us, hope for your sake he's not one of those players you sign a couple of seasons too late.......
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 11, 2024 10:13:51 GMT
Best years behind him I think. I like him, good old experienced CM on a free who was player of the year at Preston last season. Given the fact our midfield is full of kids, it’s exactly the type we need. He wouldn’t do much at a squad with a lot of experience in midfield like yourselves with Pearson and Johnson etc, but with a young squad he’s needed as the calming influence. Johnson just picks the cones up in training and Pearson has barely kicked a ball for months... but I kind of see your point
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 11, 2024 10:15:04 GMT
For years we've bemoaned Stoke managers for being too stubborn and now we have one that listened to his players and in turn got some very good results, kept us up and in the end was playing much better football and scoring goals. Yet it's still not good enough for some on here. Simply can't win with some people lol. One or two like the sound of their voice so much they just chat rubbish, best not to engage with them.
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Post by haway on Jul 11, 2024 10:15:31 GMT
I like him, good old experienced CM on a free who was player of the year at Preston last season. Given the fact our midfield is full of kids, it’s exactly the type we need. He wouldn’t do much at a squad with a lot of experience in midfield like yourselves with Pearson and Johnson etc, but with a young squad he’s needed as the calming influence. Johnson just picks the cones up in training and Pearson has barely kicked a ball for months... but I kind of see your point Decent job if you can get it for the wages they’d be on mind!
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Post by haway on Jul 11, 2024 10:16:07 GMT
Always plays well against us, hope for your sake he's not one of those players you sign a couple of seasons too late....... He’s only 29 to be fair, hardly ancient.
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Post by hancockscfc on Jul 11, 2024 10:25:57 GMT
Long time since we’ve had any rumours or anything to get excited about!!!
Wonder what’s cooking behind the scenes…
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Post by Northy on Jul 11, 2024 10:40:36 GMT
Long time since we’ve had any rumours or anything to get excited about!!! Wonder what’s cooking behind the scenes… With this shit weather, I hope it's lobby
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Post by femark on Jul 11, 2024 11:05:31 GMT
Long time since we’ve had any rumours or anything to get excited about!!! Wonder what’s cooking behind the scenes… With this shit weather, I hope it's lobby With our management team it'll be scouse
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 11, 2024 11:07:16 GMT
Always plays well against us, hope for your sake he's not one of those players you sign a couple of seasons too late....... Except at their place last season when he played RWB and Gooch had him on toast all game
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 11, 2024 11:17:05 GMT
At the outset Schumacher tweaked the cautious approach adopted by Gallagher and did well. He then introduced the attackimg experiment with the fullbacks and it went horribly wrong. As you say the players intervened, Schumacher went more cautious and we ground out the results needed to give us a chance if survival. Having done that he adopted a more attacking style without the dodgy fullbacks tactic and it worked in large part I suspect because he'd has more time to work with the players and get his ideas across. If he'd have ploughed on with the fullback experiment we would have gone down. For me he did the right thing. Confirmation bias because you thought it was the right thing so you try to turn your opinion that had he continued with the more attacking style we would have gone down into a fact, it isn't and you couldn't possibly prove otherwise those results are unknowable. Let me rephrase that. In my opinion if he had continued with the attacking fullback formation I believe we would have gone down. So did most of the fans watching those games. So did the players. And so, eventually, did Schumacher. Schimacher went more defensive. And we survived. Job done. We might have survived if Schumacher had carried on doing what he was doing through that awful run but the onus of proof is on you to explain why that would have happened. Ì can say with absolute certainty that going more defensive saved us from relegation because the fact is we avoided relegation. It is you, not me who is indulging in what ifs. Incidentally that isn't conformstion bias, its confirmation.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2024 11:19:33 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2024 11:24:41 GMT
For years we've bemoaned Stoke managers for being too stubborn and now we have one that listened to his players and in turn got some very good results, kept us up and in the end was playing much better football and scoring goals. Yet it's still not good enough for some on here. Simply can't win with some people lol. The players said let’s be really negative, play a Brexit XI and just generally be worse? It was awful.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 11, 2024 11:34:04 GMT
For years we've bemoaned Stoke managers for being too stubborn and now we have one that listened to his players and in turn got some very good results, kept us up and in the end was playing much better football and scoring goals. Yet it's still not good enough for some on here. Simply can't win with some people lol. The players said let’s be really negative, play a Brexit XI and just generally be worse? It was awful. Football is a results game. All that people look at when a season is over is results and there is no denying that when we abandoned Schumacher's preferred tactics and went safety first results improved so we were not worse we were better. It's the same with England. All those fans throwing beer at Southgate will be celebrating if we win on Sunday. They won't be able to claim that we would have done better if he had been more adventurous and in 10 years time the poor group games will be completely forgotten
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2024 12:00:45 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jul 11, 2024 12:21:48 GMT
Confirmation bias because you thought it was the right thing so you try to turn your opinion that had he continued with the more attacking style we would have gone down into a fact, it isn't and you couldn't possibly prove otherwise those results are unknowable. Let me rephrase that. In my opinion if he had continued with the attacking fullback formation I believe we would have gone down. So did most of the fans watching those games. So did the players. And so, eventually, did Schumacher. Schimacher went more defensive. And we survived. Job done. We might have survived if Schumacher had carried on doing what he was doing through that awful run but the onus of proof is on you to explain why that would have happened. Ì can say with absolute certainty that going more defensive saved us from relegation because the fact is we avoided relegation. It is you, not me who is indulging in what ifs. Incidentally that isn't conformstion bias, its confirmation. You're right that's your opinion all the rest is fluff. There's no onus on me for anything I'm not trying to turn opinions into facts. Your last line is bollox you can't confirm your opinion of a hypothetical. The bold was all that was necessary
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 11, 2024 12:26:35 GMT
For years we've bemoaned Stoke managers for being too stubborn and now we have one that listened to his players and in turn got some very good results, kept us up and in the end was playing much better football and scoring goals. Yet it's still not good enough for some on here. Simply can't win with some people lol. The players said let’s be really negative, play a Brexit XI and just generally be worse? It was awful. You're going on like it was Pulis binary season type stuff but it wasn't plus it was always going to be a temporary fix to a glaring problem, we were sinking without a trace. Schumacher was open and honest enough post season to open up about what went on behind closed doors, not many managers would have been that honest and he should be applauded for that. We saw in the last few games more of how he wants to play and with us hopefully recruiting with that in mind this summer, we will be more than happy with how we set up going in to the new season.
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 11, 2024 12:27:50 GMT
Long time since we’ve had any rumours or anything to get excited about!!! Wonder what’s cooking behind the scenes… Oatcakes bacon and cheese 😄
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Post by acstokie on Jul 11, 2024 12:30:11 GMT
For years we've bemoaned Stoke managers for being too stubborn and now we have one that listened to his players and in turn got some very good results, kept us up and in the end was playing much better football and scoring goals. Yet it's still not good enough for some on here. Simply can't win with some people lol. The players said let’s be really negative, play a Brexit XI and just generally be worse? It was awful. Christ you talk some shite! So in your opinion after 6 weeks you saw him change his philosophy and become negative yes? So after 6 weeks of him in the job we had just played Leicester. In the 16 games from that point we scored 21 goals and gained 24 points. In the 16 games prior we had scored 12 and gained 13 points? Its laughable mate!
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Post by Sfance on Jul 11, 2024 12:38:26 GMT
The players said let’s be really negative, play a Brexit XI and just generally be worse? It was awful. Christ you talk some shite! So in your opinion after 6 weeks you saw him change his philosophy and become negative yes? So after 6 weeks of him in the job we had just played Leicester. In the 16 games from that point we scored 21 goals and gained 24 points. In the 16 games prior we had scored 12 and gained 13 points? Its laughable mate! Bayern should be taking a break from work in a moment to refute your logic. Can't wait to hear it.
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Post by acstokie on Jul 11, 2024 12:43:42 GMT
Christ you talk some shite! So in your opinion after 6 weeks you saw him change his philosophy and become negative yes? So after 6 weeks of him in the job we had just played Leicester. In the 16 games from that point we scored 21 goals and gained 24 points. In the 16 games prior we had scored 12 and gained 13 points? Its laughable mate! Bayern should be taking a break from work in a moment to refute your logic. Can't wait to hear it. He doesn't like stats or facts, he will say something like I have eyes and I saw it was more negative. He would never in a million years consider he could be wrong about anything the stubborn old bugger
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Post by baconburger on Jul 11, 2024 13:03:14 GMT
Bayern should be taking a break from work in a moment to refute your logic. Can't wait to hear it. He doesn't like stats or facts, he will say something like I have eyes and I saw it was more negative. He would never in a million years consider he could be wrong about anything the stubborn old bugger Between us dropping into the bottom 3 and Plymouth at home it was clearly far more negative safety first football tbh arguing whether it was or it wasn't is pretty absurd to anyone who'd watched it, even the HC has confirmed it himself and said he hated it. The only argument is whether it was necessary of not. Pragmatists will say it was vindicated because we stayed up but we won our last three playing a very different brand of football so if we'd continued with the risk adverse stuff that might not have happened. Even three draws from those games would have left us right on the wire. What might have happened if he'd done things differently is simply not knowable and people will see what they want to see.
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Post by somersetpotter on Jul 11, 2024 13:08:07 GMT
that seems like a bit of a coup
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Jul 11, 2024 13:08:40 GMT
Just wait till tonight, win and we'll be pissing this tin pot league.. Lose and the world will be ending down to league 1 Schumacher fook off back to plymuff etc etc etc 😑😑🙄
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Post by acstokie on Jul 11, 2024 13:10:57 GMT
He doesn't like stats or facts, he will say something like I have eyes and I saw it was more negative. He would never in a million years consider he could be wrong about anything the stubborn old bugger Between us dropping into the bottom 3 and Plymouth at home it was clearly far more negative safety first football tbh arguing whether it was or it wasn't is pretty absurd to anyone who'd watched it, even the HC has confirmed it himself and said he hated it. The only argument is whether it was necessary of not. Pragmatists will say it was vindicated because we stayed up but we won our last three playing a very different brand of football so if we'd continued with the risk adverse stuff that might not have happened. Even three draws from those games would have left us right on the wire. What might have happened if he'd done things differently is simply not knowable and people will see what they want to see. It we had got the same amount of points in the 16 games after he made the change as we had in the 16 before he made the change we would have got 11 points less. I saw all the games last season and the main difference I saw was we stopped pissing around at the back as much which I was all for and hope continues next season.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 11, 2024 13:12:54 GMT
How many more realistically do people think we’ll sign.
Surely we need some players to leave first don’t we?
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 11, 2024 13:14:16 GMT
How many more realistically do people think we’ll sign. Surely we need some players to leave first don’t we? Centre Half Centre Mid Winger Striker x 2
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Post by apb1 on Jul 11, 2024 13:14:18 GMT
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