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Post by Waggy on Apr 5, 2024 8:16:21 GMT
Got too much time on my hands this morning so I started to think. Have Stoke got one of the best atttendances per population per catchment area.
We are a two team city and would say both clubs fanbase is from Stoke on Trent, Newcastle under Lyme, Staffs moorlands and that’s it ( maybe market Drayton at a push) anything north of Biddulph is Man Utd/ Liverpool maybe some Man City now and anywhere south of north Stafford is wolves/ villa, Uttoexeter and east Derby.
So you could say 400,000 divided by two clubs not many other teams in England could get 20,000 with those numbers.
Other clubs like Wolves/ West Brom they have their areas plus Dudley, Telford , Cannock etc, Newcastle have areas up to Scottish Borders across to Carlisle. Leeds massive area, Burnley have a few surrounding towns.
If I’m right we are fantastic.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 5, 2024 8:23:07 GMT
Burnley are the highest I think with just 80,000 inhabitants
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2024 8:27:41 GMT
There’s definitely a healthy smattering of Stoke fans in Sandbach tbh. More than I expected.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 5, 2024 8:36:49 GMT
The disadvantage the likes of Stoke have is the sheer amount of clubs within a 50 mile radius. If you're Stafford/Uttoxeter side you're competing with Derby/Wolves, into Cheshire and you're competing with all the big boys in the North West.
Teams like Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle all get impressive support but other than the usual glory hunters polluting the area they have large catchment areas to pull from with little competition.......
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Apr 5, 2024 9:02:08 GMT
I grew up in Stone, but moved to Stafford in my late teens, have to say it’s mostly Wolves fans in Stafford and you do get your weird sky sports season ticket Man U and Liverpool fans, I see a few Stoke fans when I’m in town but not many. However Stoke do/did advertise season tickets in the summer on bus stops ect.
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Post by Waggy on Apr 5, 2024 9:05:54 GMT
I grew up in Stone, but moved to Stafford in my late teens, have to say it’s mostly Wolves fans in Stafford and you do get your weird sky sports season ticket Man U and Liverpool fans, I see a few Stoke fans when I’m in town but not many. However Stoke do/did advertise season tickets in the summer on bus stops ect. Wolves catchment area is huge and we get similar crowds, with us being a bit less.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Apr 5, 2024 11:02:05 GMT
The disadvantage the likes of Stoke have is the sheer amount of clubs within a 50 mile radius. If you're Stafford/Uttoxeter side you're competing with Derby/Wolves, into Cheshire and you're competing with all the big boys in the North West. Teams like Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle all get impressive support but other than the usual glory hunters polluting the area they have large catchment areas to pull from with little competition....... Our biggest problem is Vale. If they'd never existed and all their support followed Stoke we'd get their hardcore 5,000 or so added to our crowds. Plus probably another 15,000 or so fair weather fans who turn up when they go to Wembley/play Stoke/if they ever got to the Premier League. If Vale were in The Championship I think they'd average around 8,000 home fans. So add that to our crowds and I think we'd be getting 30,000 crowds in The Championship. And with a big enough stadium around 40,000 in the Premier League.
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Post by Scouse on Apr 5, 2024 11:40:49 GMT
Stoke will have ( some of ) the figures , not least because location , catchment area and the demographics of our support will presumably be some of the things that are taken into account when decisions around ticket pricing & away travel are made.
But , whereas in say the 60-70s when life was simpler and most clubs support ( even large ones ) came from much smaller defined areas , the advent of traditional industries closing , forcing job migration , advances in the numbers taking up higher education in different parts of the country and staying there once their course ended , more disposable income for some ( less for others ) car ownership by the masses and the general multi millions that are now spent hyping up the sport ..have all muddied the waters since
Liverpool as a port was already more use to migration than land locked city’s , but come the mid 70s slum clearance and the closure of the docks and tens of thousands of direct and indirect jobs meant the brain drain started in the mid 70s ..they’re now onto 2nd 3rd , 4th or even 5th generation fans no longer living in the city ..Stoke being by its nature being a little more insular and the local jobs holding up longer before mass decline hit home started their migration later and are perhaps onto 2nd -3rd generation migration
Stoke & Vale being largely unsuccessful throughout their history , the core of the support lies closer to hand . However our location spread would be interesting to see in the first few years of the prem ..tho once the early buzz ( glory hunting ) disappeared and the realisation that it’ll be mostly a long slog things tend to level off again .. even with modern transport advantages and more affluent out of town supporters during the good times being it takes a lot to travel for every single game from any real distance , rather than pick and choose , when the rewards are so thin ..some do it for a lifetime , but most don’t / won’t .. and with relegation the cream disappears and you’re back down to you local hard core again
Unfortunately as was found when Stoke started doing the fans events , due to various ticket office and software upgrades our records are at best incomplete and before that shockingly so ( remember the struggle for data for the Col U game the club and fans faced) ..but I’m sure our figures would make interesting reading if a proper analysis was done by university academics interested in population flows and supporting habits ( not only of our club ) ..certainly more so than the majority of requests football fans get to fill in surveys and studies that have little to do with football fans , their habits and more to do with politicised agendas
nothing more than a gut feeling , but I’d say even at Stoke , a goodly percentage of our support now travels from well outside the traditional backstreets of Stoke , longton and Fenton etc ..certainly significantly more than in the 70s when I started coming down
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Post by walrus on Apr 5, 2024 11:55:27 GMT
I’ve always thought Norwich was the most impressive. The built up area has a population of just over 20,000 and while they have a large geographical catchment area there are no other major population centres in it and road links aren’t great.
But they invariably sell out 27,000 at home whatever division they’re in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2024 12:00:07 GMT
I’ve always thought Norwich was the most impressive. The built up area has a population of just over 20,000 and while they have a large geographical catchment area there are no other major population centres in it and road links aren’t great. But they invariably sell out 27,000 at home whatever division they’re in. Norfolk has a population of 910,000 though and bar Ipswich there isn’t really any competition?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 5, 2024 12:56:56 GMT
The disadvantage the likes of Stoke have is the sheer amount of clubs within a 50 mile radius. If you're Stafford/Uttoxeter side you're competing with Derby/Wolves, into Cheshire and you're competing with all the big boys in the North West. Teams like Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle all get impressive support but other than the usual glory hunters polluting the area they have large catchment areas to pull from with little competition....... Our biggest problem is Vale. If they'd never existed and all their support followed Stoke we'd get their hardcore 5,000 or so added to our crowds. Plus probably another 15,000 or so fair weather fans who turn up when they go to Wembley/play Stoke/if they ever got to the Premier League. If Vale were in The Championship I think they'd average around 8,000 home fans. So add that to our crowds and I think we'd be getting 30,000 crowds in The Championship. And with a big enough stadium around 40,000 in the Premier League. When stoke were in the top flight we usually had a full ground, that'll do for me. I've been to Anfield, old Trafford etc with huge attendance and the atmosphere is crap. 30 thousand odd is enough to generate a big game big atmosphere.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 5, 2024 18:16:30 GMT
Burnley are the highest I think with just 80,000 inhabitants If the average person in Burnley has 12 fingers and thumbs I make that to be 960,000 fingers and thumbs in the town of Burnley. Don't get me wrong some may have more than that but it pretty much averages out as some may not have been born there so may have the normal quota on each hand.
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