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Post by stuammo on Apr 2, 2024 10:23:19 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 2, 2024 10:41:01 GMT
“Now a young man, Adam has been in a gang since he was nine” 1) Shit parenting. 2) Poor policing. 3) Lack of effort from local and State government. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 2, 2024 10:43:09 GMT
Excessive immigration Drugs Gang culture ( not all immigrants are responsible for the above ) |
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2024 11:08:23 GMT
Excessive immigration Drugs Gang culture ( not all immigrants are responsible for the above ) Vast majority are not Some are if we had no immigrants we would still have drugs and gangs |
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 2, 2024 11:10:27 GMT
Excessive immigration Drugs Gang culture ( not all immigrants are responsible for the above ) Vast majority are not Some are if we had no immigrants we would still have drugs and gangs The glorification of gangster culture in music and video probably hasn’t helped either. |
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Post by elystokie on Apr 2, 2024 11:38:56 GMT
And yet Portugal has gone from one of the most dangerous to regularly being in the top 5 safest. One country relaxed their drug prohibition laws and the other intensified their war on drugs. Could be coincidence, obviously 🤔 |
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 2, 2024 11:50:53 GMT
And yet Portugal has gone from one of the most dangerous to regularly being in the top 5 safest. One country relaxed their drug prohibition laws and the other intensified their war on drugs. Could be coincidence, obviously 🤔 Have you ever listened to Netherfriends, Ely? I think that you would like them 😂 |
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Post by elystokie on Apr 2, 2024 11:57:05 GMT
And yet Portugal has gone from one of the most dangerous to regularly being in the top 5 safest. One country relaxed their drug prohibition laws and the other intensified their war on drugs. Could be coincidence, obviously 🤔 Have you ever listened to Netherfriends, Ely? I think that you would like them 😂 First I've heard of them mate 🙂 |
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 2, 2024 12:31:07 GMT
Musik has been saying this for ages.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 14:50:31 GMT
It’ll be due in no small part to increased immigration from non EU countries. I’m sure Musik can give us a better explanation mind.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 2, 2024 16:05:22 GMT
It’ll be due in no small part to increased immigration from non EU countries. I’m sure Musik can give us a better explanation mind. I stand to be corrected but don't Portugal have immigration from non EU countries? |
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Post by gawa on Apr 2, 2024 16:10:22 GMT
Excessive immigration Drugs Gang culture ( not all immigrants are responsible for the above ) Vast majority are not Some are if we had no immigrants we would still have drugs and gangs There is certainly a correlation between immigration and gangs in Sweden. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 16:10:49 GMT
It’ll be due in no small part to increased immigration from non EU countries. I’m sure Musik can give us a better explanation mind. I stand to be corrected but don't Portugal have immigration from non EU countries? We aren’t talking about Portugal are we? Besides Sweden has the highest rate of immigration in Europe. Increased immigration goes hand in hand with an uptick in crime whether you want to deny it or not. |
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Post by gawa on Apr 2, 2024 16:13:41 GMT
It’ll be due in no small part to increased immigration from non EU countries. I’m sure Musik can give us a better explanation mind. I stand to be corrected but don't Portugal have immigration from non EU countries? Very poor integration of immigrants in Sweden I believe. Probably a bigger culture shock moving from Africa to Sweden compared to moving to Portugal for instance. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 16:15:56 GMT
I stand to be corrected but don't Portugal have immigration from non EU countries? Very poor integration of immigrants in Sweden I believe. Probably a bigger culture shock moving from Africa to Sweden compared to moving to Portugal for instance. Ely is coming at it from the angle of Portugal relaxing drug laws of course. |
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Post by gawa on Apr 2, 2024 16:21:02 GMT
Very poor integration of immigrants in Sweden I believe. Probably a bigger culture shock moving from Africa to Sweden compared to moving to Portugal for instance. Ely is coming at it from the angle of Portugal relaxing drug laws of course. Yeh but discussions on toughening drug legislation in Sweden has only happened the last few years. Its not the right answer in my opinion but its been discussed in response to this violence. Chicken and egg. And the violence came in before any drug changes. Its linked to immigration. That doesn't mean I blame the immigrants. |
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Post by elystokie on Apr 2, 2024 16:43:44 GMT
Very poor integration of immigrants in Sweden I believe. Probably a bigger culture shock moving from Africa to Sweden compared to moving to Portugal for instance. Ely is coming at it from the angle of Portugal relaxing drug laws of course. Drug prohibition always goes hand in hand with violence, murders and gang warfare, it's not a massive leap. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 16:48:48 GMT
Ely is coming at it from the angle of Portugal relaxing drug laws of course. Drug prohibition always goes hand in hand with violence, murders and gang warfare, it's not a massive leap. I won’t deny it’s a factor of course, I’m not as daft as I appear (I don’t think) but if you deny increased immigration is a major contributor then you’re wrong I’m afraid |
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Post by elystokie on Apr 2, 2024 17:56:47 GMT
Drug prohibition always goes hand in hand with violence, murders and gang warfare, it's not a massive leap. I won’t deny it’s a factor of course, I’m not as daft as I appear (I don’t think) but if you deny increased immigration is a major contributor then you’re wrong I’m afraid I wasn't aware I had? I merely compared the two countries with very different drug laws but presumably similar levels of immigration. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 18:00:18 GMT
I won’t deny it’s a factor of course, I’m not as daft as I appear (I don’t think) but if you deny increased immigration is a major contributor then you’re wrong I’m afraid I wasn't aware I had? I merely compared the two countries with very different drug laws but presumably similar levels of immigration. You didn’t say you had to be fair but you’re one of many (lefties) to deflect any blame on statistics which show high immigration equals (generally) higher drug related and violent crime. And they don’t have anywhere near similar non eu levels of immigration. |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 2, 2024 18:09:13 GMT
If one is prepared to believe extensive studies the main driver is socioeconomic factors Poverty is the main driver of crime in violence hotspots The Swedish police have identified a number of “utsatta”, or vulnerable areas, across the country. These are home to just 5% of the country’s population, but are connected with the most serious violence. While these areas do have high proportions of residents born outside Europe and second- and third-generation immigrants, they have been shaped by socioeconomic circumstances over a long period of time, a factor which experts say is of far greater significance to the current situation.More than 80% of the underlying statistical areas that make up these “utsatta” are defined as having socioeconomic challenges, with half of them classed as having “major” challenges. Long-term unemployment rates are above average in the majority of these areas and is increasing. Meanwhile, the proportion of people at risk of poverty – defined as an economic standard of less than 60% of the median – is more than twice the national figure. “ Socioeconomic factors are what mostly constitute the risks of ending up in crime,” not ethnicity, says Felipe Estrada Dörner, a professor of criminology at Stockholm University whose research centres on juvenile delinquency and segregation. “This is a classic and well known pattern, in Sweden and internationally.”While some statistics are going in the right direction – for example, the percentage of young people not in education or work has decreased over the last 10 years in a majority of the areas designated vulnerable – more needs to be done. Estrada Dörner says accelerating this trend and reversing other aspects of socioeconomic decline should be prioritised. “In order to slow down the supply of new recruits to gangs, inequality must be reduced. Harsher punishments, which the government invests a lot of resources in now, will not overcome those problems.” Inequality also plays its part The income gap in Sweden has increased in recent decades: according to the latest statistics, income has not been this unevenly divided for more than 40 years. This gap has contributed to the country’s current situation, says Estrada Dörner. “The increased inequality in income, health and education over the last decades leads to the fact that the life chances of children and young people from different areas will differ more and more,” he said. Rise in gun crime accompanied by rise in narcotics offences
“Perhaps the most important conflicts in organised crime in Sweden are about the narcotics trade: about who is selling where and what,” Ardavan Khoshnood, a criminologist and associate professor at Lund University, explains.He points to the simultaneous rise in gun crime, bombings and narcotics crimes. Nearly a third of suspects in gang-related crimes aged 15 to 20 Young people and children are increasingly being recruited by gangs, authorities say. Data shows the suspects in crimes connected to gang violence, including manslaughter, murder and deadly assault, are getting younger. In 2012, 15- to 20 year-olds made up 16.9% of all suspects for such crimes; by 2022 that figure stood at 29.7%. The same trend is even starker when it comes to gun crime: less than a quarter (23.6%) of suspects in gun-related murder and manslaughter offences were aged between 15 and 20 a decade ago; in 2022 it was closer to half (45.1%), according to data from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention. This trend cannot be explained by a wider trend towards criminality among young people. Since 2013, the number of people in the 15 to 20 age group suspected of crime in general has not changed much and has actually decreased since 2020. “From a criminological perspective, one would think … that the trend is the same for all youth crime. But it doesn’t really look like that,” Estrada Dörner said, adding that this was a sign of “fewer but worse”. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/30/how-gang-violence-took-hold-of-sweden-in-five-charts |
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Post by felonious on Apr 2, 2024 18:26:05 GMT
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Post by foster on Apr 2, 2024 18:26:50 GMT
I wasn't aware I had? I merely compared the two countries with very different drug laws but presumably similar levels of immigration. You didn’t say you had to be fair but you’re one of many (lefties) to deflect any blame on statistics which show high immigration equals (generally) higher drug related and violent crime. And they don’t have anywhere near similar non eu levels of immigration. Clearly largely immigrant related. As with all countries that have witnessed extensive non EU immigration in recent years. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to acknowledge or comprehend that. The disparity in the levels of education and culture (western) is a major issue. Nothing to do with the shameless plug for pro-drug reform. Though drugs will always be a common theme when it comes to gang violence. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 18:36:02 GMT
You didn’t say you had to be fair but you’re one of many (lefties) to deflect any blame on statistics which show high immigration equals (generally) higher drug related and violent crime. And they don’t have anywhere near similar non eu levels of immigration. Clearly largely immigrant related. As with all countries that have witnessed extensive non EU immigration in recent years. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to acknowledge or comprehend that. The disparity in the levels of education and culture (western) is a major issue. Nothing to do with the shameless plug for pro-drug reform. Though drugs will always be a common theme when it comes to gang violence. Spot on, for once😉 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 18:38:34 GMT
It was not so long ago and will still be a part of it like it is in our country but it’s the non eu immigrants driving this in the main and is all across Europe |
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 2, 2024 20:22:20 GMT
I saw recently that Denmark is also experiencing similar "difficulties" with excessive immigration. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 2, 2024 20:46:16 GMT
I saw recently that Denmark is also experiencing similar "difficulties" with excessive immigration. Most of us know the issue as it’s as plain as day. Others would rather find some other excuse like relaxing drug laws or “education”. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 2, 2024 22:44:53 GMT
Has there been a particular surge in murder rates in Sweden in the last two years, because looking at the intentional homicide rate from 2022 Sweden is ranked 150th which looks only slightly above average for a western European nation. For comparison, their rate is 1.1 intentional homicides per 100,000 habitants - which is slightly less than Finland (1.2), the same as France and Belgium, and slightly higher than the UK (1.0). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 3, 2024 0:36:46 GMT
Has there been a particular surge in murder rates in Sweden in the last two years, because looking at the intentional homicide rate from 2022 Sweden is ranked 150th which looks only slightly above average for a western European nation. For comparison, their rate is 1.1 intentional homicides per 100,000 habitants - which is slightly less than Finland (1.2), the same as France and Belgium, and slightly higher than the UK (1.0). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rateThere is no doubt that murder rates have increased in Sweden and the worrying trend is that there are being committed by younger and younger people who the Swedish Criminal Justice System treats much more leniently At the same time Wealth inequality has increased much more rapidly in Sweden than in comparable OECD Countries As usual the reasons are complex and the shift in Medical and Social Care from Public to Private has certainly shifted the paradigm but it is a combination of factors. It would be churlish to exclude Immigration as one of those factors and within that lack of integration, not necessarily from new Immigrants but 2nd and 3rd Generation. The reasons for this opens up a whole other conversation If you or others have the time to read the attached Article it gives an outline of why changes are occurring in Swedish Society Things don't happen in isolation, policy decisions have a knock-on effect sometimes with unintended consequences www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(23)00028-5/fulltext |
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Post by elystokie on Apr 3, 2024 6:44:00 GMT
I wasn't aware I had? I merely compared the two countries with very different drug laws but presumably similar levels of immigration. You didn’t say you had to be fair but you’re one of many (lefties) to deflect any blame on statistics which show high immigration equals (generally) higher drug related and violent crime. And they don’t have anywhere near similar non eu levels of immigration. I actually tried to distinguish the different levels of immigration through Google but found it quite confusing. What are the actual figures? |
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