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Post by Marc01 on Mar 24, 2024 16:25:41 GMT
First season watching Stoke and first following relegation from top flight.
Totally different world:
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 24, 2024 16:28:48 GMT
First season watching Stoke and first following relegation from top flight. Totally different world: Still way higher than the WSL😉
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Post by werrington on Mar 24, 2024 16:34:51 GMT
Wolves
Like that can’t be right surely?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 24, 2024 16:52:10 GMT
Wolves Like that can’t be right surely? Absolutely tinpot lower div club in those days
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 24, 2024 16:53:19 GMT
Man City stick out a mile there, they'd only just been promoted from Div 2. Belies the idea they're a JCL interloper a bit
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 24, 2024 16:53:56 GMT
Wolves Like that can’t be right surely? Possibly, they were up shit street at the time. The previous season (84/85) saw them finish bottom of the 2nd tier & be relegated to the 3rd tier, having at one point gone 21 games without a win, and they were only averaging 8,000 then, with a lowest of 4,000. During the 85/86 season things got even worse for them & saw them relegated again to the 4th tier, so could easily see their gates drop again.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 24, 2024 16:55:54 GMT
Wolves Like that can’t be right surely? That was their lowest ebb wasn't it? finished 22nd on an average of about 8k and went into the 4th division by the following year.
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Post by werrington on Mar 24, 2024 16:57:15 GMT
Wolves Like that can’t be right surely? Possibly, they were up shit street at the time. The previous season (84/85) saw them finish bottom of the 2nd tier & be relegated to the 3rd tier, having at one point gone 21 games without a win, and they were only averaging 8,000 then, with a lowest of 4,000. During the 85/86 season things got even worse for them & saw them relegated again to the 4th tier, so could easily see their gates drop again. Yeah I remember all that mate with owners who were shafting them ( Bhatti brothers? ) but they were still a big football club It must be correct though 🤷♂️
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Post by werrington on Mar 24, 2024 16:58:49 GMT
Wolves Like that can’t be right surely? That was their lowest ebb wasn't it? finished 22nd on an average of about 8k and went into the 4th division by the following year. They were on their arse alright but a 4k average says they had lower crowds than that
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 24, 2024 17:03:19 GMT
That was their lowest ebb wasn't it? finished 22nd on an average of about 8k and went into the 4th division by the following year. They were on their arse alright but a 4k average says they had lower crowds than that Then Steve Bull came along with 128 goals in 3 seasons. He certainly knew where the net was. This kind of thing makes me think we should sign Langstaff.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 24, 2024 17:08:35 GMT
That was their lowest ebb wasn't it? finished 22nd on an average of about 8k and went into the 4th division by the following year. They were on their arse alright but a 4k average says they had lower crowds than that They then went and blew a hole in the record Wembley attendance taking 50k to the Sherpa Van. Same year they got 2992 at home to Bury!!
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 24, 2024 17:49:21 GMT
Football was generally in the doldrums in the 80s with middle class people and families staying away with all the hooliganism and terrible crumbling facilities. It was generally thoroughly out of fashion.
The other thing was the way that people attended matches. The vast majority of fans paid cash on the gate in those days. Very few people had season tickets because they were promoted differently and didn't offer a huge discount compared with paying on the gate per match like they do today. So most people preferred to pick and choose their matches depending on how well the team were doing and how attractive the opponents were/how important the match was relative to where we were in the table. And also you didn't have to worry about reserving your seat to be able to sit with your friends and family because most of the ground was either terraced or unreserved seating so that was another modern incentive for buying a season ticket that wasn't an issue back then.
So crowds were much more fickle and would swing wildly from one week to the next. You could get 20,000 odd one week in a derby against the Vale. And if we lost we could then get 8,000 odd against Grimsby the following weekend. If you had the kind of seasons like we're having now the crowds could really nosedive because there wasn't anything to persuade people to get off their arse and go down to the ground and pay to get in when the football and results were shit. Nowadays most people are season ticket holders because they are sold with a heavy discount to encourage people to invest their money up front rather than pay match per match. And people are scared to give their seat up and lose their place next to their friends and not be able to get it back in the future. So attendances are inflated now because people have paid their money up front and don't want to chuck that investment in the bin by not turning up to something they've already paid for. If it were still a majority pay on the day like it used to be, our crowds would be far lower than they are with the football that we've been serving up in recent years.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 24, 2024 17:54:02 GMT
Football was generally in the doldrums in the 80s with middle class people and families staying away with all the hooliganism and terrible crumbling facilities. It was generally thoroughly out of fashion. The other thing was the way that people attended matches. The vast majority of fans paid cash on the gate in those days. Very few people had season tickets because they were promoted differently and didn't offer a huge discount compared with paying on the gate per match like they do today. So most people preferred to pick and choose their matches depending on how well the team were doing and how attractive the opponents were/how important the match was relative to where we were in the table. And also you didn't have to worry about reserving your seat to be able to sit with your friends and family because most of the ground was either terraced or unreserved seating so that was another modern incentive for buying a season ticket that wasn't an issue back then. So crowds were much more fickle and would swing wildly from one week to the next. You could get 20,000 odd one week in a derby against the Vale. And if we lost we could then get 8,000 odd against Grimsby the following weekend. If you had the kind of seasons like we're having now the crowds could really nosedive because there wasn't anything to persuade people to get off their arse and go down to the ground and pay to get in when the football and results were shit. Nowadays most people are season ticket holders because they are sold with a heavy discount to encourage people to invest their money up front rather than pay match per match. And people are scared to give their seat up and lose their place next to their friends and not be able to get it back in the future. So attendances are inflated now because people have paid their money up front and don't want to chuck that investment in the bin by not turning up to something they've already paid for. If it were still a majority pay on the day like it used to be, our crowds would be far lower than they are with the football that we've been serving up in recent years. Absolutely spot on mate
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Post by UNKLE on Mar 24, 2024 18:40:46 GMT
First season watching Stoke and first following relegation from top flight. Totally different world: Still way higher than the WSL😉 Took my daughter and her football team to Brentford women this afternoon at the Gtech….4,600 there. £2 for adults free for kids More than the average Brentford crowd (and The Vale) of 85/86 😁
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 24, 2024 19:42:57 GMT
They were on their arse alright but a 4k average says they had lower crowds than that Then Steve Bull came along with 128 goals in 3 seasons. He certainly knew where the net was. This kind of thing makes me think we should sign Langstaff. Yep, West Brom inadvertently saved them from oblivion
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 24, 2024 19:46:15 GMT
Only 7000 there for the 6-2 v Leeds. And youd imagine theyd have brought 4 figures with them
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 24, 2024 20:05:58 GMT
Wolves Like that can’t be right surely? Absolutely tinpot lower div club in those days Didn't we have 6 or 7 k in top flight games V Coventry and 6 odd v Everton after playing them in the FA Cup the week before? The 1 1 draw v Everton was a scattering of home fans that would have failed to fill the Boothen stand, say. We often had 10-12 k at top flight games when I first went , not the packed houses some talk about and incredible atmospheres 20 k crowds were rare for many years.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 24, 2024 20:50:55 GMT
Probably English footballs darkest days. Although it’s only fair to point out that clubs were blatantly under declaring attendances in those days as a tax fiddle.
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2024 21:01:19 GMT
Only 7000 there for the 6-2 v Leeds. And youd imagine theyd have brought 4 figures with them Probably not from memory
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 24, 2024 21:04:46 GMT
They’re spoilt with big crowds these days. Even in a financial crisis crowds are better than they’ve ever been. I guess it’s a release from all the shit going on. I don’t mind saying I haven’t been since 2019 as despite the steady ticket prices I just can’t justify it. Some ridicule me for that but I aren’t arsed. I wish I could go regularly even now
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Post by Davef on Mar 24, 2024 21:11:08 GMT
Only 7000 there for the 6-2 v Leeds. And youd imagine theyd have brought 4 figures with them It was an all ticket game - a rarity in those days - and kicked off at 11.30am on a Bank Holiday Monday. There were over 11,500 at the opening match of the season against Sheffield United.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2024 21:38:03 GMT
Absolutely tinpot lower div club in those days Didn't we have 6 or 7 k in top flight games V Coventry and 6 odd v Everton after playing them in the FA Cup the week before? The 1 1 draw v Everton was a scattering of home fans that would have failed to fill the Boothen stand, say. We often had 10-12 k at top flight games when I first went , not the packed houses some talk about and incredible atmospheres 20 k crowds were rare for many years. 83/84 Everton knocked us out the cup and 16000 were there. Week after there was 8000 for the 1-1 league draw. In 76/77 I remember being sad when only 12000 were there v Coventry.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 24, 2024 23:08:17 GMT
Didn't we have 6 or 7 k in top flight games V Coventry and 6 odd v Everton after playing them in the FA Cup the week before? The 1 1 draw v Everton was a scattering of home fans that would have failed to fill the Boothen stand, say. We often had 10-12 k at top flight games when I first went , not the packed houses some talk about and incredible atmospheres 20 k crowds were rare for many years. 83/84 Everton knocked us out the cup and 16000 were there. Week after there was 8000 for the 1-1 league draw. In 76/77 I remember being sad when only 12000 were there v Coventry. Wasn't there a Friday night game v Coventry ? One if the smallest crowds can remember Or was it Norwich?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2024 23:27:44 GMT
83/84 Everton knocked us out the cup and 16000 were there. Week after there was 8000 for the 1-1 league draw. In 76/77 I remember being sad when only 12000 were there v Coventry. Wasn't there a Friday night game v Coventry ? One if the smallest crowds can remember Or was it Norwich? Coventry was a Friday night in front of 6,930, Norwich was a Wednesday night and there was 4,597 there.......
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 24, 2024 23:31:14 GMT
Wasn't there a Friday night game v Coventry ? One if the smallest crowds can remember Or was it Norwich? Coventry was a Friday night in front of 6,930, Norwich was a Wednesday night and there was 4,597 there....... Was a both seen to remember Think Ian Painter scored or missed a pen in one Went straight from school to the Friday one. Good job I got there early
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2024 23:44:08 GMT
Coventry was a Friday night in front of 6,930, Norwich was a Wednesday night and there was 4,597 there....... Was a both seen to remember Think Ian Painter scored or missed a pen in one Went straight from school to the Friday one. Good job I got there early I was at the Norwich game but not Coventry. It was my first full season going with my dad and the Coventry game was the only home game we missed all season…..
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Post by werrington on Mar 25, 2024 5:10:32 GMT
Coventry was a Friday night in front of 6,930, Norwich was a Wednesday night and there was 4,597 there....... Was a both seen to remember Think Ian Painter scored or missed a pen in one Went straight from school to the Friday one. Good job I got there early Painter missed a 90th minute penalty v Coventry to equalise that would of sent them down ( Friday night ) They had to beat both us and Everton to survive which they did
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 25, 2024 7:25:30 GMT
Was a both seen to remember Think Ian Painter scored or missed a pen in one Went straight from school to the Friday one. Good job I got there early Painter missed a 90th minute penalty v Coventry to equalise that would of sent them down ( Friday night ) They had to beat both us and Everton to survive which they did Everton were depleted and depressed. They'd won the league the ecwc and lost the FA Cup Final then spent several days celebrating. Beating the champions 4-1 sounds miraculous. In reality Everton weren't arsed.
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Post by Davef on Mar 25, 2024 7:54:00 GMT
Painter missed a 90th minute penalty v Coventry to equalise that would of sent them down ( Friday night ) They had to beat both us and Everton to survive which they did Everton were depleted and depressed. They'd won the league the ecwc and lost the FA Cup Final then spent several days celebrating. Beating the champions 4-1 sounds miraculous. In reality Everton weren't arsed. They managed to muster enough energy to beat Liverpool after the FA Cup Final.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 25, 2024 8:14:33 GMT
Everton were depleted and depressed. They'd won the league the ecwc and lost the FA Cup Final then spent several days celebrating. Beating the champions 4-1 sounds miraculous. In reality Everton weren't arsed. They managed to muster enough energy to beat Liverpool after the FA Cup Final. Yeah. Hardly surprising they went on the piss after it all. 😁
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