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Post by threepoints on Mar 18, 2024 15:39:35 GMT
Forest just docked points:
Didn't Stoke have some problems over this, they didn't have points docked but I remember something about it?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 18, 2024 17:11:45 GMT
You'd imagine they'll get a point back on appeal which would have them level on points with Luton as it stands. Forest have a nice run of fixtures whereas Luton have a torrid run of fixtures next, but have favourable games to end the season.
I really hope Luton stay up. They have been superb.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 18, 2024 17:55:00 GMT
Just read the Forest club statement. They make some very fair points.
What is abundantly clear is what a shitshow the current rules are.
Apparently the Premier League wanted an 8 point deduction.
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Post by sportsman on Mar 18, 2024 18:06:11 GMT
Just read the Forest club statement. They make some very fair points. What is abundantly clear is what a shitshow the current rules are. Apparently the Premier League wanted an 8 point deduction. So did I 😁
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 18, 2024 18:17:08 GMT
So how are Aston Villa getting away with £120m loss over last financial year. Apparently they’re allowed to lose £105m over 3 years but say they’ve broken no FFP rules. Their wage bill alone increased from £134m to £194m last year. Anybody care to explain how they get away with this. It’s fucking immoral given the punishment dished out to Forest.
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Post by smokeyjoe on Mar 18, 2024 19:21:04 GMT
Whilst Man City and Chelsea use delaying tactics to avoid immediate sanctions
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Post by franklin on Mar 18, 2024 19:28:07 GMT
This is another reason it needs to go its a shambles unenforceable for some and penalises the smaller sides. I genuinely detest it and have enormous sympathy for the likes of Forest.
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Post by thornestein on Mar 18, 2024 19:48:22 GMT
i must be the only one who thinks if you’ve got the money you should be allowed spend it , fair play is just bollocks
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Post by franklin on Mar 18, 2024 19:54:31 GMT
i must be the only one who thinks if you’ve got the money you should be allowed spend it , fair play is just bollocks Definitely not the only one I'm in total agreement its 100% bollocks.
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Post by stuammo on Mar 18, 2024 20:35:19 GMT
Listened to Kieron Maguire earlier and he said that if they’d sold Brennan Johnson on 30th June they’d have been alright but they decided to hold out until the end of the window when they actually received significantly more money, but because it was into the next set of accounts they get punished. It’s laughable really.
I agree with others, if you’ve got the money and you aren’t putting the club in financial risk, you should be allowed to spend what you want. How can anyone ever break into the elite else?
If we ever got anywhere near the Prem again we’d need to spend massive amounts just to have a chance of staying up.
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Post by Goonie on Mar 18, 2024 20:40:47 GMT
i must be the only one who thinks if you’ve got the money you should be allowed spend it , fair play is just bollocks Precisely It's said to keep football sustainabile but in reality it keeps the rich clubs rich and the poor clubs poor It's so "fair play" Manchester City can have 101 breaches and still compete at the highest level and Chelsea can spend two thirds of a billion with no redress
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 18, 2024 21:28:31 GMT
i must be the only one who thinks if you’ve got the money you should be allowed spend it , fair play is just bollocks The powers that be,wouldnt want the likes of Stoke spending their billions on the best players to win trophies it would upset the big clubs too much,they really couldn't let that happen.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 18, 2024 21:51:32 GMT
The fact that they were limited to a smaller loss being newcomers to the Premier league says it all. Its a protection racket for Man Utd etc.
You would think a newcomer would need to spend on new players so rack up a bigger debt. FFP sound a good idea but in practice it isn't.
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Post by franklin on Mar 18, 2024 21:59:30 GMT
i must be the only one who thinks if you’ve got the money you should be allowed spend it , fair play is just bollocks Precisely It's said to keep football sustainabile but in reality it keeps the rich clubs rich and the poor clubs poor It's so "fair play" Manchester City can have 101 breaches and still compete at the highest level and Chelsea can spend two thirds of a billion with no redress Correct and go abroad to add the likes of Barca being approximately 1billion plus in debt and they are not unique by any means its a joke.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 18, 2024 22:47:59 GMT
This is another reason it needs to go its a shambles unenforceable for some and penalises the smaller sides. I genuinely detest it and have enormous sympathy for the likes of Forest. They’ve been amongst the highest spenders in the league since they’ve come up. They’ve recruited terribly and just thrown money at overpriced tripe.
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Post by walrus on Mar 18, 2024 22:56:12 GMT
You'd imagine they'll get a point back on appeal which would have them level on points with Luton as it stands. Forest have a nice run of fixtures whereas Luton have a torrid run of fixtures next, but have favourable games to end the season. I really hope Luton stay up. They have been superb. “Superb” is extremely generous. They’ve been fun to watch and been involved in some cracking matches but they’ve only won five all season. Most seasons their points total would have them rock bottom. They’re only in with a chance of survival as Burnley and Sheff Utd have been abject and other clubs have had points deductions. Sorry to live so relentlessly in the real world! But I do hope they stay up too, they’ve been good value if not actually very good.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 19, 2024 3:17:31 GMT
i must be the only one who thinks if you’ve got the money you should be allowed spend it , fair play is just bollocks The powers that be,wouldnt want the likes of Stoke spending their billions on the best players to win trophies it would upset the big clubs too much,they really couldn't let that happen. It's not just the big clubs, the premier League only want global brands at the top, overseas sales you see! I remember the CEO saying the shit being unsuccessful isn't good for the PL! Fair play! 🙄
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Post by s7oke on Mar 19, 2024 4:39:37 GMT
The powers that be,wouldnt want the likes of Stoke spending their billions on the best players to win trophies it would upset the big clubs too much,they really couldn't let that happen. It's not just the big clubs, the premier League only want global brands at the top, overseas sales you see! I remember the CEO saying the shit being unsuccessful isn't good for the PL! Fair play! 🙄 Did he actually say the white? 😂😂😂😂 Only joking 😁 FFP is bollocks but forest got what they deserved after buying scattergun style basically 2 teams There should be limitations on that to be fair And Chelsea well they should be nailed to the pavement for what they have done and how they have done it
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Post by s7oke on Mar 19, 2024 4:41:39 GMT
Listened to Kieron Maguire earlier and he said that if they’d sold Brennan Johnson on 30th June they’d have been alright but they decided to hold out until the end of the window when they actually received significantly more money, but because it was into the next set of accounts they get punished. It’s laughable really. I agree with others, if you’ve got the money and you aren’t putting the club in financial risk, you should be allowed to spend what you want. How can anyone ever break into the elite else? If we ever got anywhere near the Prem again we’d need to spend massive amounts just to have a chance of staying up. Oh my spending big at Stoke is a scary thought presently Look how that went when we played our first season in the championship
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Post by franklin on Mar 19, 2024 6:39:11 GMT
This is another reason it needs to go its a shambles unenforceable for some and penalises the smaller sides. I genuinely detest it and have enormous sympathy for the likes of Forest. They’ve been amongst the highest spenders in the league since they’ve come up. They’ve recruited terribly and just thrown money at overpriced tripe. It's irrelevant if it's tripe or not they have been punished where others haven't in both England and abroad and that's unfair.
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Post by maxplonk on Mar 19, 2024 7:09:57 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 19, 2024 7:15:52 GMT
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Post by Gods on Mar 19, 2024 7:56:24 GMT
Is it a threat to the integrity of the Championship to have teams dumped in to it from the Premier League who are not the worst 3 teams in that league?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 19, 2024 8:29:09 GMT
You'd imagine they'll get a point back on appeal which would have them level on points with Luton as it stands. Forest have a nice run of fixtures whereas Luton have a torrid run of fixtures next, but have favourable games to end the season. I really hope Luton stay up. They have been superb. “Superb” is extremely generous. They’ve been fun to watch and been involved in some cracking matches but they’ve only won five all season. Most seasons their points total would have them rock bottom. They’re only in with a chance of survival as Burnley and Sheff Utd have been abject and other clubs have had points deductions. Sorry to live so relentlessly in the real world! But I do hope they stay up too, they’ve been good value if not actually very good. It's all relative though isn't it. They came up with people touting them to beat Derby's Premier League points record. They've spent fuck all and they're competitive in the richest league in the world. They've been competitive in pretty much every single game, despite the disparity in finances. They have been superb. Haven't they scored more goals than Man Utd, despite Utd probably having several players who are on more per week than Lutons whole wage bill.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 19, 2024 8:46:15 GMT
When you look at the evidence Notts Forest have got off lightly and if they escape relegation they will have been rewarded for breaking rules they signed up for.
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Post by Royal Donut on Mar 19, 2024 10:01:27 GMT
“Superb” is extremely generous. They’ve been fun to watch and been involved in some cracking matches but they’ve only won five all season. Most seasons their points total would have them rock bottom. They’re only in with a chance of survival as Burnley and Sheff Utd have been abject and other clubs have had points deductions. Sorry to live so relentlessly in the real world! But I do hope they stay up too, they’ve been good value if not actually very good. It's all relative though isn't it. They came up with people touting them to beat Derby's Premier League points record. They've spent fuck all and they're competitive in the richest league in the world. They've been competitive in pretty much every single game, despite the disparity in finances. They have been superb. Haven't they scored more goals than Man Utd, despite Utd probably having several players who are on more per week than Lutons whole wage bill. Yes Luton have punched above their weight massively and they still probably get relegated, you say competitive yet they are in a competition with 20teams and they are 17th. The only chance you really get is by spending enough, which is a gamble and with ffp could see clubs struggle that which they might not exist anymore (but you won’t get to the top without it). We can have once in a lifetime champions with Leicester but they over spent in the championship a few years before and nothing happened because they got promoted, unless you spend big money we are going see the three teams that get promoted are going get relegated within 12months.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 19, 2024 11:52:37 GMT
When you look at the evidence Notts Forest have got off lightly and if they escape relegation they will have been rewarded for breaking rules they signed up for. Yes, being one point behind Luton with 9 games left is not a punishment. The thing is Forest broke the rules in the Championship too but got away with it by winning promotion.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 19, 2024 11:56:33 GMT
i must be the only one who thinks if you’ve got the money you should be allowed spend it , fair play is just bollocks That is correct as long as the owner spends his own money without burdening the club with interest accruing loans. Then you are not spending your own money, you are facilitating the club to spend money they don't have.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 19, 2024 12:09:11 GMT
That sounds pretty much spot on to me. However as the article points out the solution isn't to scrap all forms of FFP, it is to implement fairer rules that are more stringently and equitably applied so as to break up the top 6 cartel. Simply creating a free for all will have the opposite effect.
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Post by walrus on Mar 19, 2024 12:26:34 GMT
“Superb” is extremely generous. They’ve been fun to watch and been involved in some cracking matches but they’ve only won five all season. Most seasons their points total would have them rock bottom. They’re only in with a chance of survival as Burnley and Sheff Utd have been abject and other clubs have had points deductions. Sorry to live so relentlessly in the real world! But I do hope they stay up too, they’ve been good value if not actually very good. It's all relative though isn't it. They came up with people touting them to beat Derby's Premier League points record. They've spent fuck all and they're competitive in the richest league in the world. They've been competitive in pretty much every single game, despite the disparity in finances. They have been superb. Haven't they scored more goals than Man Utd, despite Utd probably having several players who are on more per week than Lutons whole wage bill. We were also touted as relegation fodder back in 2008/09 and finished mid-table with 45 points. More recently Bournemouth and Brentford were also promoted as minnows and favourites for relegation and both have become established Prem sides. Leeds and Fulham, though clubs with more Prem history than any of the above, both finished top half in their first season after recent promotions. If Luton go down it’s hardly surprising, but I think the implication that they’re overachieving just by being competitive is a bit false. A lot of teams have achieved a lot more on similar budgets (not Leeds and Fulham but the others mentioned).
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