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Post by spitthedog on Mar 13, 2024 13:34:35 GMT
Obviously destroying the competitiveness in the EFL and the fact that no deal has been forthcoming from the PL is worrying
Whatever you might think of Risdale (putting personal prejudices aside), it pretty much rings true what he is saying here.
"All we want is to make sure we have a sustainable and competitive EFL and obviously you see the cliff-edge between the Premier League and the Championship, with the parachute clubs coming down getting something like £50m in the first year and £40m-odd in the second year, having got relegated," Ridsdale said.
"We've got teams at the top of our division paying five times more in wages than we [Preston North End] are, and that's showing because they're at the top end of the Championship - and they're doing that based on parachute payments that are coming down from the Premier League.
"The top three teams are Leicester City, Leeds United and Ipswich, then Southampton are fourth. Three of those four came down last year and have got parachute payments.
"If we don't keep it competitive and sustainable, then English football is finished."
Obviously we are one of the clubs who failed to take advantage of it, but there is a trend developing here.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 13, 2024 15:34:37 GMT
And then Leicester and Leeds are both likely to face penalties from the Prem as soon as they go straight back up, so will be docked points, probably therefore be relegated again and (as an added bonus for breaking the rules) then receive another windfall of parachute payments. The cycle continues
The whole system needs looking at when it comes down to finances being distributed throughout football, which is hopefully what the new regulator will sort out.
We may not like the Prem but we need to remember that the Championship and the EFL needs to sort itself out too, as currently 80% of the money the EFL receive from the Prem for the entire "footballing pyramid" stays solely in the Championship. That also isn't right or equitable and I'm pretty sure that League 1 & 2 see our league as being equally "the bad guys" in the whole financial mess that is football nowadays.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 13, 2024 17:27:06 GMT
Obviously destroying the competitiveness in the EFL and the fact that no deal has been forthcoming from the PL is worrying Whatever you might think of Risdale (putting personal prejudices aside), it pretty much rings true what he is saying here. "All we want is to make sure we have a sustainable and competitive EFL and obviously you see the cliff-edge between the Premier League and the Championship, with the parachute clubs coming down getting something like £50m in the first year and £40m-odd in the second year, having got relegated," Ridsdale said. "We've got teams at the top of our division paying five times more in wages than we [Preston North End] are, and that's showing because they're at the top end of the Championship - and they're doing that based on parachute payments that are coming down from the Premier League. "The top three teams are Leicester City, Leeds United and Ipswich, then Southampton are fourth. Three of those four came down last year and have got parachute payments. "If we don't keep it competitive and sustainable, then English football is finished." Obviously we are one of the clubs who failed to take advantage of it, but there is a trend developing here. There is an obvious imbalance. I don’t think there’s a simple solution. However it highlights three things for me 1. Our recruitment under Scholes, Cartwright and Hughes proved to be disastrous resulting in relegation and significant financial loss. 2. Similarly our recruitment under Scholes, Cartwright and Rowett was disastrous, losing any advantage of parachute payments. 3. See 2 above but replace Rowett with Jones. We had the benefit of excellent financial backing and following relegation we had the parachute payments to utilise for an early return to “the trough”. We failed miserably and there are two significant individuals in the “accountability frame” |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Mar 13, 2024 18:54:09 GMT
They didn't help us!
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Post by independent on Mar 13, 2024 23:23:38 GMT
Had MON not saved us and we'd dropped into League one,would this be our fourth year in it?
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Post by i1da on Mar 14, 2024 0:22:58 GMT
Had MON not saved us and we'd dropped into League one,would this be our fourth year in it? Had Pulis not saved us and we had been relegated, would this have been our 16th year in it? Come to think of it...... back in 1920......  |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 14, 2024 9:27:13 GMT
Obviously destroying the competitiveness in the EFL and the fact that no deal has been forthcoming from the PL is worrying Not quite as worrying as it might have been had the new regulator not been on its way. The Government has said that it would prefer a deal between the EFL and the PL to be reached by agreement but the new regulator will have "back up" powers to enforce one. That's good news in principle, but as ever with these things, the devil will be in the legislative detail. How will the powers be framed ? Under what circumstances can those powers be invoked ? Could the regulator use them even if the PL and EFL have reached a deal if it considers that the deal is not in the wider interests of the game ? What will be the relationship with contract law ? We need to be all over this as soon as the draft Bill is published in case we don't think it goes far enough. |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 14, 2024 9:32:28 GMT
Obviously destroying the competitiveness in the EFL and the fact that no deal has been forthcoming from the PL is worrying Not quite as worrying as it might have been had the new regulator not been on its way. The Government has said that it would prefer a deal between the EFL and the PL to be reached by agreement but the new regulator will have "back up" powers to enforce one. That's good news in principle, but as ever with these things, the devil will be in the legislative detail. How will the powers be framed ? Under what circumstances can those powers be invoked ? Could the regulator use them even if the PL and EFL have reached a deal if it considers that the deal is not in the wider interests of the game ? What will be the relationship with contract law ? We need to be all over this as soon as the draft Bill is published in case we don't think it goes far enough. I was wondering whether the fact that the PL couldn’t even be bothered to bring a proposal to the table is an indication that they don’t take the Govt’s pledge to enforce an agreement seriously? |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 14, 2024 9:44:19 GMT
Not quite as worrying as it might have been had the new regulator not been on its way. The Government has said that it would prefer a deal between the EFL and the PL to be reached by agreement but the new regulator will have "back up" powers to enforce one. That's good news in principle, but as ever with these things, the devil will be in the legislative detail. How will the powers be framed ? Under what circumstances can those powers be invoked ? Could the regulator use them even if the PL and EFL have reached a deal if it considers that the deal is not in the wider interests of the game ? What will be the relationship with contract law ? We need to be all over this as soon as the draft Bill is published in case we don't think it goes far enough. I was wondering whether the fact that the PL couldn’t even muster a proposal is an indication that they don’t feel the Govt’s pledge to enforce an agreement seriously? It's an interesting one isn't it ? The Secretary of State clearly believed that the regulator having powers to impose a deal would be enough to force the PL into reaching a deal, but it hasn't happened yet - although there is still time. I also think that the PL is not a unified body. Different clubs will have very different views depending on their size and power and their perception of the point you make. These are often very powerful and rich people outside football who don't like the idea of anyone, and certainly not a Government, telling them what to do. And they may not take advice from the PL's senior executives. The one thing most of them don't do is to be guided by the wider interests of the whole game  |
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Post by independent on Mar 16, 2024 1:25:39 GMT
Not quite as worrying as it might have been had the new regulator not been on its way. The Government has said that it would prefer a deal between the EFL and the PL to be reached by agreement but the new regulator will have "back up" powers to enforce one. That's good news in principle, but as ever with these things, the devil will be in the legislative detail. How will the powers be framed ? Under what circumstances can those powers be invoked ? Could the regulator use them even if the PL and EFL have reached a deal if it considers that the deal is not in the wider interests of the game ? What will be the relationship with contract law ? We need to be all over this as soon as the draft Bill is published in case we don't think it goes far enough. I was wondering whether the fact that the PL couldn’t even be bothered to bring a proposal to the table is an indication that they don’t take the Govt’s pledge to enforce an agreement seriously? I think they do believe that the Gov. will try to impose an agreement on them. But they aren't sure that the Gov. can make it stick under competition law. They will argue that they cannot be forced to give money to a competitor to enable said competitor to take their place in the Premier League. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 16, 2024 8:16:20 GMT
I was wondering whether the fact that the PL couldn’t even be bothered to bring a proposal to the table is an indication that they don’t take the Govt’s pledge to enforce an agreement seriously? I think they do believe that the Gov. will try to impose an agreement on them. But they aren't sure that the Gov. can make it stick under competition law. They will argue that they cannot be forced to give money to a competitor to enable said competitor to take their place in the Premier League. I don't think that is how competition law works. See www.gov.uk/cartels-price-fixingCompetition law is all about stopping the big players in a market from disadvantaging the small players by abusing their dominant position. If anything it's the government who could use competition law to, not the big boys in the Premier League. I'm sure they will find some legal challenge but I'm not sure it would be using competition law. The recent EU ruling regards the Super League is different in that the European Court found against EUFA for abusing their position of power to prevent someone creating a new league. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 16, 2024 8:32:07 GMT
It's an aside but the risk is if we take the parachute money away from the Championship we are sending to the Prem 3 teams with little chance of staying there.
To illustrate the point Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton who we sent up last May will all be back with us in August.
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 16, 2024 8:45:18 GMT
We somehow managed to turn our parachute payments into lead diving boots 😂
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 16, 2024 8:53:01 GMT
You have little to no chance when the proposed new TV money is being openly scoffed at by the likes of Karen Brady, who isn't shy in saying "Why should we help clubs like Stoke City who have billionaire owners?"
Conveniently missing the point somewhat.
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Post by Gods on Mar 16, 2024 9:03:25 GMT
We somehow managed to turn our parachute payments into lead diving boots 😂 I think some of the damgage was done in our late stage Prem days. We spunked $100 million and the same again on wages on the likes of Badou, Etebo, Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula who didn't manage 100 matches between them for us. We took their wage bill in to the Championship with us. Rowett finished the job with his drug addled spending splurge in the summer which followed our relegation. Truth is we have never really recovered from this. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 16, 2024 9:54:36 GMT
You have little to no chance when the proposed new TV money is being openly scoffed at by the likes of Karen Brady, who isn't shy in saying "Why should we help clubs like Stoke City who have billionaire owners?" Conveniently missing the point somewhat. Its why if we ever get up u hoep we blow the bloody doors off fucking them all over with sheer bloody minded muscle became by then they will have changed the rules they designed to protect them that are about to kill two or three of them |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 16, 2024 10:32:04 GMT
It's an aside but the risk is if we take the parachute money away from the Championship we are sending to the Prem 3 teams with little chance of staying there. To illustrate the point Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton who we sent up last May will all be back with us in August. That's a strange argument - you are effectively saying the parachute payments should be retained so that the recently relegated can go straight back up again. That means the Premier League becomes a 22 team cartel with 3 teams slumming it in the Championship for a season before they inevitably go back up. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 16, 2024 12:23:36 GMT
It's an aside but the risk is if we take the parachute money away from the Championship we are sending to the Prem 3 teams with little chance of staying there. To illustrate the point Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton who we sent up last May will all be back with us in August. That's a strange argument - you are effectively saying the parachute payments should be retained so that the recently relegated can go straight back up again. That means the Premier League becomes a 22 team cartel with 3 teams slumming it in the Championship for a season before they inevitably go back up. Yes I know! But I wonder does that extra money somehow wash through the Championship as the recipient clubs spend it? Perhaps not... |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 16, 2024 12:43:20 GMT
That's a strange argument - you are effectively saying the parachute payments should be retained so that the recently relegated can go straight back up again. That means the Premier League becomes a 22 team cartel with 3 teams slumming it in the Championship for a season before they inevitably go back up. Yes I know! But I wonder does that extra money somehow wash through the Championship as the recipient clubs spend it? Perhaps not... As an aside to professional clubs and their difficulties you'd think that somehow with the billions of pounds involved in football you'd think the powers that be could see it in themselves to ensure grass roots football for kids gets to play on half decent surfaces. My lad played in the EMJFL in East Manchester and some of the park pitches they play on are an absolute joke. Its fucking embarrassing it really is clearing bottles and dog shit up before games and playing with grass over their ankles because the council can't be fucked to cut the grass. Shameful really.. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 18, 2024 21:54:31 GMT
Obviously destroying the competitiveness in the EFL and the fact that no deal has been forthcoming from the PL is worrying Not quite as worrying as it might have been had the new regulator not been on its way. The Government has said that it would prefer a deal between the EFL and the PL to be reached by agreement but the new regulator will have "back up" powers to enforce one. That's good news in principle, but as ever with these things, the devil will be in the legislative detail. How will the powers be framed ? Under what circumstances can those powers be invoked ? Could the regulator use them even if the PL and EFL have reached a deal if it considers that the deal is not in the wider interests of the game ? What will be the relationship with contract law ? We need to be all over this as soon as the draft Bill is published in case we don't think it goes far enough. The Government is holding a press conference tomorrow morning at Leyton Orient to launch its Bill for the new Regulator - so it's happening at last. It has Opposition support so it will pass into law during the current Parliament. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 19, 2024 12:31:47 GMT
Not quite as worrying as it might have been had the new regulator not been on its way. The Government has said that it would prefer a deal between the EFL and the PL to be reached by agreement but the new regulator will have "back up" powers to enforce one. That's good news in principle, but as ever with these things, the devil will be in the legislative detail. How will the powers be framed ? Under what circumstances can those powers be invoked ? Could the regulator use them even if the PL and EFL have reached a deal if it considers that the deal is not in the wider interests of the game ? What will be the relationship with contract law ? We need to be all over this as soon as the draft Bill is published in case we don't think it goes far enough. The Government is holding a press conference tomorrow morning at Leyton Orient to launch its Bill for the new Regulator - so it's happening at last. It has Opposition support so it will pass into law during the current Parliament. Unfortunately, I hold about as much faith in these things as I do much of the rest of the “regulators” of big business. Just more people there to be bribed. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 19, 2024 16:02:09 GMT
The Government is holding a press conference tomorrow morning at Leyton Orient to launch its Bill for the new Regulator - so it's happening at last. It has Opposition support so it will pass into law during the current Parliament. Unfortunately, I hold about as much faith in these things as I do much of the rest of the “regulators” of big business. Just more people there to be bribed. So do you think the Government shouldn't do it ? And should we not have spent our time and energy campaigning for it ? Would you leave football as it is ? |
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 19, 2024 16:17:02 GMT
Unfortunately, I hold about as much faith in these things as I do much of the rest of the “regulators” of big business. Just more people there to be bribed. So do you think the Government shouldn't do it ? And should we not have spent our time and energy campaigning for it ? Would you leave football as it is ? I didn’t say that and I don’t think that it’s a waste of time, per se. I just don’t think it will be this holy grail of equity that places like Sky News have begun to champion it to be. Some good will be sure to come of it but regulations are simply meant to be broken by those in power. |
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Post by BristolMick on Mar 19, 2024 17:13:27 GMT
Well its good to see in the BBC story about the soon to be introduced new regulator that the only people raging about it are the fat cats who benefit from leaving it how it is. If they are complaining, then you can bet your bottom dollar that it is definitely a great thing for the game as a whole. In fact I'd be really worried if this was well received by the Premier League parasites! The highlights:- A Premier League statement read: "With our clubs, we have advocated for a proportionate regime that enables us to build on our position as the most widely watched league in the world. "Mindful that the future growth of the Premier League is not guaranteed, we remain concerned about any unintended consequences of legislation that could weaken the competitiveness and appeal of English football. West Ham owner David Sullivan told Sky Sports: "The Premier League is the best league in the world so why change a winning formula? "I hope the government don't wreck something that works. If over the coming seasons the Premier League ceases to be the best league in the world, it will be down to an interfering government." He added: "Between the 20 clubs there is almost £2bn of debt, so there isn't really 'available cash' to give away." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68602074 |
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Post by lordb on Mar 19, 2024 17:18:34 GMT
Well its good to see in the BBC story about the soon to be introduced new regulator that the only people raging about it are the fat cats who benefit from leaving it how it is. If they are complaining, then you can bet your bottom dollar that it is definitely a great thing for the game as a whole. In fact I'd be really worried if this was well received by the Premier League parasites! The highlights:- A Premier League statement read: "With our clubs, we have advocated for a proportionate regime that enables us to build on our position as the most widely watched league in the world. "Mindful that the future growth of the Premier League is not guaranteed, we remain concerned about any unintended consequences of legislation that could weaken the competitiveness and appeal of English football. West Ham owner David Sullivan told Sky Sports: "The Premier League is the best league in the world so why change a winning formula? "I hope the government don't wreck something that works. If over the coming seasons the Premier League ceases to be the best league in the world, it will be down to an interfering government." He added: "Between the 20 clubs there is almost £2bn of debt, so there isn't really 'available cash' to give away." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68602074Sold |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 19, 2024 17:25:29 GMT
So do you think the Government shouldn't do it ? And should we not have spent our time and energy campaigning for it ? Would you leave football as it is ? I didn’t say that and I think that it’s a waste of time per se. I just don’t think it will be this holy grail of equity that places like Sky News have begun to champion it to be. Some good will be sure to come of it but regulations are simply meant to be broken by those in power. We're not starry eyed about it, but I do think it's a significant step forward. As it happens I'm on Sky news about it at 6.30, so I'll try not to over-sell it  |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 19, 2024 17:27:15 GMT
Well its good to see in the BBC story about the soon to be introduced new regulator that the only people raging about it are the fat cats who benefit from leaving it how it is. If they are complaining, then you can bet your bottom dollar that it is definitely a great thing for the game as a whole. In fact I'd be really worried if this was well received by the Premier League parasites! Absolutely, Mick !  |
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Mar 19, 2024 17:40:30 GMT
You could do this to majorly even the Championship. Somewhat anyway.
EFL TV Revenue
Solidarity Payments
Parachute Payments
All into one Pot.
Then split by the current divisional weighting and evenly in each division in conjunction with uniform cost control measures and cliff edge reduced significantly.
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Post by BristolMick on Mar 20, 2024 11:35:28 GMT
I didn’t say that and I think that it’s a waste of time per se. I just don’t think it will be this holy grail of equity that places like Sky News have begun to champion it to be. Some good will be sure to come of it but regulations are simply meant to be broken by those in power. We're not starry eyed about it, but I do think it's a significant step forward. As it happens I'm on Sky news about it at 6.30, so I'll try not to over-sell it Malcolm, do you have the clip of your piece on Sky or a link to it? BM |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 20, 2024 11:52:26 GMT
We're not starry eyed about it, but I do think it's a significant step forward. As it happens I'm on Sky news about it at 6.30, so I'll try not to over-sell it Malcolm, do you have the clip of your piece on Sky or a link to it? BM I'll see if I can find one, Mick. But I have got a link to a long piece which The World at One on Radio 4 did yesterday. It has an interview with myself, followed by Caroline Dineage MP, Chair of the CMS Select Committee, and then Rick Parry, Chair of the EFL. The item starts at 7mins 6secs. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001xdml |
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