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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 24, 2024 10:50:38 GMT
I think all new accounts should be forced to read this thread with one of those checkboxes at the end that says. Are you still content to join the Oatcake and abide by these rules? Yes🔲 No 🔲 I'm sure someone said you can't open new accounts at the moment. No surprise really - there need to be locks on a madhouse.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 24, 2024 10:51:33 GMT
What miniscule bit that I've highlighted? That's the second time recently that Badger's angry inch has gotten a mention.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 24, 2024 10:54:37 GMT
Just stating that I have integrity mate. Unlike some others that claim to have, but have shown otherwise. You started off by telling me I was talking a load of shit, I politely addressed that claim, no mither.
But you've now moved on to a different tact and you are now telling me that I lack integrity ... please, go to bed Fozzy, have a decent kip and if you want to stand by this claim tomorrow, then we'll deal with it then.
I don't see the fuss in being accused of talking shit. I choose to waste my time on here and hope the people consider the majority of the drivel I spout as being absolute bobbins and having absolutely no consequence on the real world. Exactly like everything that everyone else on here posts.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 24, 2024 10:56:20 GMT
That's what I often do. Also I think people can just express their opinions if they want. It is not compulsory to justify them in the perception if someone else if they don't want to. Actually I'm doing it now. For me to " like" a post does not necessary mean that I agree with everything in the post, perhaps sometimes judt the gist or central point of the post. It certainly doesn't mean that I endorse the use of each actual words. I don't feel the need to swear on here myself and hopefully would not deliberately insult anyone.We had the thread a while ago about how good it was to say " fucking" or something like that.( whatever it means in written form) Perhaps " liking ' a post means different things to different people in different contexts. Not one person makes the rules. Third edit: in my opinion That is exactly how I approach the Oatcake now I genuinely have opinions on all kinds of things but I also genuinely can't be arsed to justify my every word because others demand I do. Its the default response and seen as some kind of justification for "their" different opinion being the "right" one. It's a message board and I've better things to do than try and change hearts and minds in some kind of campaign of attrition I find it boring as hell but I do appreciate those who battle on like I've seen here. I've real things to be getting on with like painting my garage door 🙂 . Can you live stream it drying please? I can choose to watch that or to partake in some more self-indulgent twaddle on here.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 24, 2024 10:58:03 GMT
In YOUR opinion Paul, not for the rest of us. Cobs has explained that you can like certain elements of a post, without necessarily liking all of them. Ideed, I often 'like' posts for their shock or humour factor, not because of what they're actually about. Mick already highlighted that you haven't got the balls to take Wannabe to task as he's one of your comrades. Even after multiple opportunities to do so you still don't criticise him for some reason. You just pick on Cobs as the easy target, like certain other cowardly posters always do and are obsessed with. (Pressers and wannabe). Trying to smear Cobs now with what you yourself have just been accused and shown up as is nothing other than a deflection tactic. No one picks on cobham, he’s not your pet poodle for fucks sake he can answer for himself on here. Honestly it’s like being back at Primary School on here at times, I’d be embarrassed typing some of this shit….. Not all of it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2024 11:03:48 GMT
No one picks on cobham, he’s not your pet poodle for fucks sake he can answer for himself on here. Honestly it’s like being back at Primary School on here at times, I’d be embarrassed typing some of this shit….. I guess when you have the most popular guy in school most people are going to defend him from the big bad bullies Not that I give a monkeys but I think I’m targeted because i’m such a nice bloke it’s a problem that I’ve always had to cope with in life. It’s funny that me liking a post has caused more negative feedback than the post itself (probably because i never actually post anything offensive). I’ll take that as a complinent I think the biggest problem is self awareness in relation to at least how I know I’m 1 - a knobber 2 - a bit of a hypocrite but at least I can acknowledge my limitations. There’s some on here that have zero self awareness around themselves who refuse to ever acknowledge that they may be wrong occasionally. There is an answer of course you could block me and save yourself the stress of putting up with my inate ramblings and hypocrisy Would you mind starting a " What's wrong with Cobham thread?" so we could all join in, officially. Do you think your issues started in childhood? Please could you tell us more about your upbringing so us experts can explain where you have gone wrong and how it has come to this? You hypocritical knober.
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Post by franklin on Mar 24, 2024 11:08:32 GMT
That is exactly how I approach the Oatcake now I genuinely have opinions on all kinds of things but I also genuinely can't be arsed to justify my every word because others demand I do. Its the default response and seen as some kind of justification for "their" different opinion being the "right" one. It's a message board and I've better things to do than try and change hearts and minds in some kind of campaign of attrition I find it boring as hell but I do appreciate those who battle on like I've seen here. I've real things to be getting on with like painting my garage door 🙂 . Can you live stream it drying please? I can choose to watch that or to partake in some more self-indulgent twaddle on here. I'm still in the assessment period, you know looking at my heat gun and scrapers scratching my chin taking big breaths and sighing loudly gathering all my required tools garnering sympathy for my predicament being as I'm ill while trying to gain the approval to leave it a day or so from my missus.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 24, 2024 11:10:28 GMT
This is a load of shit Paul. Cobs has explained that you can like certain elements of a post, without necessarily liking all of then them. Indeed, I often like posts for their shock or humour factor, and not because of what they're about. Mick already showed that you haven't got the balls to take Wannabe to task as he's one of your comrades. Trying to smear Cobs now with what you've been shown up as is pathetic and shameful. I wouldn't ever like a post, if there were elements of it I disagreed with, especially if they completely went against one of the main tenets that I seemingly prided myself on. Mick was talking nonsense, I can't be expected to read every post on the board in order to not have my own posts devalued, it was an utterly ludicrous assertion to make and anybody in their right mind would understand that. What is pathetic and shameful, is suggesting that I somehow have 'comrades' on here, after all the years that you've seen me post on here, you genuinely believe that I would allow myself to be compromised in such an undignified way?
EDIT: I see that you've now edited your post, speaks volumes that does mate ... In YOUR opinion Paul, not for the rest of us. Its not at all ludicrous to expect that someone who is complaining about others showing disrespect to the forum is at least consistent in their outrage in that. And I'm pretty sure that the lack of people agreeing with you doesn't really back up your idea that "everyone in their right mind would see that". In fact I had several people agreeing with me about your lack of consistency showing you had no real concern in that issue, it was simply a way to try to guilt BJR into complying with the great Paul's demands. As you said when you called cobs a hypocrite, your lack of consistency lessens your credibility whether you like it or not (and thats not a decision that's made by you, im afraid) To simply brush it off is really poor Paul, as that shows your hypocrisy and also shows your arrogance in believing that it's You that decides the on behalf of everyone else..but you don't like it when people come back at you do you, you just like dishing it out and belittling others with your accusations, whilst at the same time pretending you treat everyone fairly and politely. You don't always. Insulting and belittling people isn't just swearing and using insulting names. The way you address people as if they're EXPECTED to give you what you want in terms of responses and then the way you talk to them if they don't comply is arrogant and rude at best, particularly when you're laying down rules that you yourself refuse to play by. You were told about others disrespecting the board on at least 3 occasions and tagged in one of those posts so you had no excuse not to see it. That was your chance to show your honesty, integrity and consistency in your concern for board respect... but like a good politician, you ignored, deflected, ignored again (as you still are), changed the subject and hoped no-one would notice. Whether you like it or not,many people have noticed because they can read what's been written. Again, it's not up to you to decide what everyone else thinks. No offence but you handled this thread far better before the diagnosis came out. Since then it's been nothing but floundering, backtracking, hypocrisy, desperately trying to blame everyone else but yourself for creating the thread and then happily sitting back whilst others spouted defamatory tripe, self righteousness and utterly embarrassing to watch. When you ask people why they dont bother to respond to you, have you ever thought it might be a you problem? Your incessant need to be right over everyone else, your patronising backhanded insults ("You're better than that") which you think are fine because they're not direct insults like "twat" etc. your insistence on arguing when others just want to let it go. I would probably tick most of those boxes also, but I'm not someone who tries to insist on making people reply to me as and when it suits me and then demeaning them and accusing them of disrespecting the forum (which you've already shown you actually have no real concern for, unless it suits you). I'm out now. If you're not big enough to look in the mirror and stop being an arrogant tool thinking that everyone else is the problem, and not even show the tiniest bit of humility whilst you call people a hypocrite and at the same time think you can just brush off any accusation towards yourself because....well, no other reason than YOU say so, then I have zero interest in speaking to you full stop.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 24, 2024 11:26:28 GMT
. Can you live stream it drying please? I can choose to watch that or to partake in some more self-indulgent twaddle on here. I'm still in the assessment period, you know looking at my heat gun and scrapers scratching my chin taking big breaths and sighing loudly gathering all my required tools garnering sympathy for my predicament being as I'm ill while trying to gain the approval to leave it a day or so from my missus. These things can't be rushed.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 24, 2024 11:35:02 GMT
I guess when you have the most popular guy in school most people are going to defend him from the big bad bullies Not that I give a monkeys but I think I’m targeted because i’m such a nice bloke it’s a problem that I’ve always had to cope with in life. It’s funny that me liking a post has caused more negative feedback than the post itself (probably because i never actually post anything offensive). I’ll take that as a complinent I think the biggest problem is self awareness in relation to at least how I know I’m 1 - a knobber 2 - a bit of a hypocrite but at least I can acknowledge my limitations. There’s some on here that have zero self awareness around themselves who refuse to ever acknowledge that they may be wrong occasionally. There is an answer of course you could block me and save yourself the stress of putting up with my inate ramblings and hypocrisy Would you mind starting a " What's wrong with Cobham thread?" so we could all join in, officially. Do you think your issues started in childhood? Please could you tell us more about your upbringing so us experts can explain where you have gone wrong and how it has come to this? You hypocritical knober. We could. Or we could just leave as is. Either way this thread is proving a goldmine for the research I'm doing into Narcissism in Social Media.
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Post by franklin on Mar 24, 2024 11:40:14 GMT
I'm still in the assessment period, you know looking at my heat gun and scrapers scratching my chin taking big breaths and sighing loudly gathering all my required tools garnering sympathy for my predicament being as I'm ill while trying to gain the approval to leave it a day or so from my missus. These things can't be rushed. My neighbour annoyed me over a decade ago by telling me i needed to paint it as it was the worst in the street and so I deliberately left it to piss him off. I did paint it recently after he sadly died while knowing I'd "won" so I'm not adverse to having a shit garage door 😁 I prefer the German approach to Sunday with most DIY prohibited even hoovering inside 😀
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Post by foster on Mar 24, 2024 11:46:32 GMT
These things can't be rushed. My neighbour annoyed me over a decade ago by telling me i needed to paint it as it was the worst in the street and so I deliberately left it to piss him off. I did paint it recently after he sadly died while knowing I'd "won" so I'm not adverse to having a shit garage door 😁 I prefer the German approach to Sunday with most DIY prohibited even hoovering inside 😀 Reminds me of the famous proverb... 'If the bullet doesn't kill you, then the shit garage door will'.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2024 12:01:00 GMT
I wouldn't ever like a post, if there were elements of it I disagreed with, especially if they completely went against one of the main tenets that I seemingly prided myself on. Mick was talking nonsense, I can't be expected to read every post on the board in order to not have my own posts devalued, it was an utterly ludicrous assertion to make and anybody in their right mind would understand that. What is pathetic and shameful, is suggesting that I somehow have 'comrades' on here, after all the years that you've seen me post on here, you genuinely believe that I would allow myself to be compromised in such an undignified way?
EDIT: I see that you've now edited your post, speaks volumes that does mate ...
Its not at all ludicrous to expect that someone who is complaining about others showing disrespect to the forum is at least consistent in their outrage in that. And I'm pretty sure that the lack of people agreeing with you doesn't really back up your idea that "everyone in their right mind would see that". In fact I had several people agreeing with me about your lack of consistency showing you had no real concern in that issue, it was simply a way to try to guilt BJR into complying with the great Paul's demands. As you said when you called cobs a hypocrite, your lack of consistency lessens your credibility whether you like it or not (and thats not a decision that's made by you, im afraid) To simply brush it off is really poor Paul, as that shows your hypocrisy and also shows your arrogance in believing that it's You that decides the on behalf of everyone else..but you don't like it when people come back at you do you, you just like dishing it out and belittling others with your accusations, whilst at the same time pretending you treat everyone fairly and politely. You don't always. Insulting and belittling people isn't just swearing and using insulting names. The way you address people as if they're EXPECTED to give you what you want in terms of responses and then the way you talk to them if they don't comply is arrogant and rude at best, particularly when you're laying down rules that you yourself refuse to play by. You were told about others disrespecting the board on at least 3 occasions and tagged in one of those posts so you had no excuse not to see it. That was your chance to show your honesty, integrity and consistency in your concern for board respect... but like a good politician, you ignored, deflected, ignored again (as you still are), changed the subject and hoped no-one would notice. Whether you like it or not,many people have noticed because they can read what's been written. Again, it's not up to you to decide what everyone else thinks. No offence but you handled this thread far better before the diagnosis came out. Since then it's been nothing but floundering, backtracking, hypocrisy, desperately trying to blame everyone else but yourself for creating the thread and then happily sitting back whilst others spouted defamatory tripe, self righteousness and utterly embarrassing to watch. When you ask people why they dont bother to respond to you, have you ever thought it might be a you problem? Your incessant need to be right over everyone else, your patronising backhanded insults ("You're better than that") which you think are fine because they're not direct insults like "twat" etc. your insistence on arguing when others just want to let it go. I would probably tick most of those boxes also, but I'm not someone who tries to insist on making people reply to me as and when it suits me and then demeaning them and accusing them of disrespecting the forum (which you've already shown you actually have no real concern for, unless it suits you). I'm out now. If you're not big enough to look in the mirror and stop being an arrogant tool thinking that everyone else is the problem, and not even show the tiniest bit of humility whilst you call people a hypocrite and at the same time think you can just brush off any accusation towards yourself because....well, no other reason than YOU say so, then I have zero interest in speaking to you full stop. That's the best, well written explanation that I've read of the ways in which people can be patronising and condescending....in general
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 24, 2024 12:13:17 GMT
Its not at all ludicrous to expect that someone who is complaining about others showing disrespect to the forum is at least consistent in their outrage in that. And I'm pretty sure that the lack of people agreeing with you doesn't really back up your idea that "everyone in their right mind would see that". In fact I had several people agreeing with me about your lack of consistency showing you had no real concern in that issue, it was simply a way to try to guilt BJR into complying with the great Paul's demands. As you said when you called cobs a hypocrite, your lack of consistency lessens your credibility whether you like it or not (and thats not a decision that's made by you, im afraid) To simply brush it off is really poor Paul, as that shows your hypocrisy and also shows your arrogance in believing that it's You that decides the on behalf of everyone else..but you don't like it when people come back at you do you, you just like dishing it out and belittling others with your accusations, whilst at the same time pretending you treat everyone fairly and politely. You don't always. Insulting and belittling people isn't just swearing and using insulting names. The way you address people as if they're EXPECTED to give you what you want in terms of responses and then the way you talk to them if they don't comply is arrogant and rude at best, particularly when you're laying down rules that you yourself refuse to play by. You were told about others disrespecting the board on at least 3 occasions and tagged in one of those posts so you had no excuse not to see it. That was your chance to show your honesty, integrity and consistency in your concern for board respect... but like a good politician, you ignored, deflected, ignored again (as you still are), changed the subject and hoped no-one would notice. Whether you like it or not,many people have noticed because they can read what's been written. Again, it's not up to you to decide what everyone else thinks. No offence but you handled this thread far better before the diagnosis came out. Since then it's been nothing but floundering, backtracking, hypocrisy, desperately trying to blame everyone else but yourself for creating the thread and then happily sitting back whilst others spouted defamatory tripe, self righteousness and utterly embarrassing to watch. When you ask people why they dont bother to respond to you, have you ever thought it might be a you problem? Your incessant need to be right over everyone else, your patronising backhanded insults ("You're better than that") which you think are fine because they're not direct insults like "twat" etc. your insistence on arguing when others just want to let it go. I would probably tick most of those boxes also, but I'm not someone who tries to insist on making people reply to me as and when it suits me and then demeaning them and accusing them of disrespecting the forum (which you've already shown you actually have no real concern for, unless it suits you). I'm out now. If you're not big enough to look in the mirror and stop being an arrogant tool thinking that everyone else is the problem, and not even show the tiniest bit of humility whilst you call people a hypocrite and at the same time think you can just brush off any accusation towards yourself because....well, no other reason than YOU say so, then I have zero interest in speaking to you full stop. That's the best, well written explanation that I've read of the ways in which people can be patronising and condescending....in general Now you know you don't really mean that 😉
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2024 12:28:33 GMT
I didn't highlight anything, you've made that bit up. I literally said that it was a post 'littered' with insults, gawa even listed them all for you. You've lost all credibility as the apparent 'nice guy' on here, who is the advocate for decency and good manners, if you can so easily give a thumbs up to such a post. I kind of hoped that you might actually call it out but you didn't, you even had the opportunity to simply pass on it altogether but at the end of the day, you just couldn't resist giving it your seal of approval, could you? You're a bona fide hypocrite. I can live with being called a “hypocrite” edit (I probably am but do it better than most from the responses I get I’ve been called worse, in the end it’s one persons opinion and not the whole worlds so I’ll leave it at that as I don’t want to carry this argument on. It strikes me that this argument means more to you than to me. Ultimately if you want to read the “like” in the way you’ve interpreted it fair do’s but I probably know myself better than most and know how it was meant. If me liking the post has upset you as much as it appears to have done then I can only apologise. Failing that I’ll ban myself and do 100 lines “I must not be a hypocrite” Time to move on. edit. I don’t generally read Fel’s posts before liking them. I don’t need to. As the wisest poster on the Oatie it’s a given that he’s always right and has the final say That's a fair reply, if you want to move on then I'm prepared to also mate. No doubt somebody else will be along soon, to start it again.
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Post by 4372 on Mar 24, 2024 13:13:53 GMT
I may well be alone on this view on here. I think it is a good thing when people are challenged to back up their opinions by referencing them to facts in one way or another. Opinions which are not based on facts and have not been challenged in a meaningful way are baseless assertions.
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Post by mrnovember on Mar 24, 2024 13:15:13 GMT
I may well be alone on this view on here. I think it is a good thing when people are challenged to back up their opinions by referencing them to facts in one way or another. Opinions which are not based on facts and have not been challenged in a meaningful way are baseless assertions. Sorry mate, could you just back that up with something please?
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Post by elystokie on Mar 24, 2024 13:21:13 GMT
I may well be alone on this view on here. I think it is a good thing when people are challenged to back up their opinions by referencing them to facts in one way or another. Opinions which are not based on facts and have not been challenged in a meaningful way are baseless assertions. The Daily Mail has been passing off baseless assertions as fact for many years but I completely agree. It's farcical to claim to know what swathes of the population are thinking or doing, as seems to happen sometimes on here, without any form of reference.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2024 13:37:55 GMT
I wouldn't ever like a post, if there were elements of it I disagreed with, especially if they completely went against one of the main tenets that I seemingly prided myself on. Mick was talking nonsense, I can't be expected to read every post on the board in order to not have my own posts devalued, it was an utterly ludicrous assertion to make and anybody in their right mind would understand that. What is pathetic and shameful, is suggesting that I somehow have 'comrades' on here, after all the years that you've seen me post on here, you genuinely believe that I would allow myself to be compromised in such an undignified way?
EDIT: I see that you've now edited your post, speaks volumes that does mate ...
Its not at all ludicrous to expect that someone who is complaining about others showing disrespect to the forum is at least consistent in their outrage in that. And I'm pretty sure that the lack of people agreeing with you doesn't really back up your idea that "everyone in their right mind would see that". In fact I had several people agreeing with me about your lack of consistency showing you had no real concern in that issue, it was simply a way to try to guilt BJR into complying with the great Paul's demands. As you said when you called cobs a hypocrite, your lack of consistency lessens your credibility whether you like it or not (and thats not a decision that's made by you, im afraid) To simply brush it off is really poor Paul, as that shows your hypocrisy and also shows your arrogance in believing that it's You that decides the on behalf of everyone else..but you don't like it when people come back at you do you, you just like dishing it out and belittling others with your accusations, whilst at the same time pretending you treat everyone fairly and politely. You don't always. Insulting and belittling people isn't just swearing and using insulting names. The way you address people as if they're EXPECTED to give you what you want in terms of responses and then the way you talk to them if they don't comply is arrogant and rude at best, particularly when you're laying down rules that you yourself refuse to play by. You were told about others disrespecting the board on at least 3 occasions and tagged in one of those posts so you had no excuse not to see it. That was your chance to show your honesty, integrity and consistency in your concern for board respect... but like a good politician, you ignored, deflected, ignored again (as you still are), changed the subject and hoped no-one would notice. Whether you like it or not,many people have noticed because they can read what's been written. Again, it's not up to you to decide what everyone else thinks. No offence but you handled this thread far better before the diagnosis came out. Since then it's been nothing but floundering, backtracking, hypocrisy, desperately trying to blame everyone else but yourself for creating the thread and then happily sitting back whilst others spouted defamatory tripe, self righteousness and utterly embarrassing to watch. When you ask people why they dont bother to respond to you, have you ever thought it might be a you problem? Your incessant need to be right over everyone else, your patronising backhanded insults ("You're better than that") which you think are fine because they're not direct insults like "twat" etc. your insistence on arguing when others just want to let it go. I would probably tick most of those boxes also, but I'm not someone who tries to insist on making people reply to me as and when it suits me and then demeaning them and accusing them of disrespecting the forum (which you've already shown you actually have no real concern for, unless it suits you). I'm out now. If you're not big enough to look in the mirror and stop being an arrogant tool thinking that everyone else is the problem, and not even show the tiniest bit of humility whilst you call people a hypocrite and at the same time think you can just brush off any accusation towards yourself because....well, no other reason than YOU say so, then I have zero interest in speaking to you full stop. Oh, right on cue! 🙄 What a load of condescending bollocks. Why should I have to be forced to read chapter and verse of you and wannabee arguing over God knows what and if I don't, then my opinion suddenly no longer has any merit? In 25 years of being on the internet, i havent ever seen somebody make such an idiotic suggestion. I'll be very surprised if many other people have took the time to wade through your squabbles, you talk about arrogance and making up forum rules? Jesus wept, just listen to yourself ... Over the last 36 hours, this thread has nearly doubled in length and do you know what, sadly, the content has had absolutely nothing to do with the topic in hand, it's just been a bunch of middle aged men gobbing off about, pretty much nothing and all the while, flat out refusing to substantiate any of those opinions. It's pathetic. As is your suggestion that your opinion is somehow rightest because people are agreeing with you, is that what really matters to you? Jeez. And as for you yourself? You've actually been the biggest contributor to the entire shit show, you're a fraud with your faux outrage over my lack of respect for Kate, by starting this thread, hell within 24 hours of the thread starting you were liking posts like this Odd behaviour from an odd Family The last dodgy picture cost them £12M On the same day you even liked the picture of John Terry standing behind her, nice and classy that mate. I note that Cobs, Felonious, Fozzy, Ian Cranson and indeed myself didn't though. You're just playing to the gallery now and I find that very sad, as I used to have an immense of amount of respect for you (and I'm sure the feeling is mutual) but hey, shit happens. In a way it's quite convenient that you have no interest in speaking to me anymore, so people will no longer have to wade through this puerile nonsense but sadly, I suspect this won't be the last I here from you.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2024 13:50:53 GMT
I may well be alone on this view on here. I think it is a good thing when people are challenged to back up their opinions by referencing them to facts in one way or another. Opinions which are not based on facts and have not been challenged in a meaningful way are baseless assertions. Indeed pal.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 24, 2024 13:51:41 GMT
Its not at all ludicrous to expect that someone who is complaining about others showing disrespect to the forum is at least consistent in their outrage in that. And I'm pretty sure that the lack of people agreeing with you doesn't really back up your idea that "everyone in their right mind would see that". In fact I had several people agreeing with me about your lack of consistency showing you had no real concern in that issue, it was simply a way to try to guilt BJR into complying with the great Paul's demands. As you said when you called cobs a hypocrite, your lack of consistency lessens your credibility whether you like it or not (and thats not a decision that's made by you, im afraid) To simply brush it off is really poor Paul, as that shows your hypocrisy and also shows your arrogance in believing that it's You that decides the on behalf of everyone else..but you don't like it when people come back at you do you, you just like dishing it out and belittling others with your accusations, whilst at the same time pretending you treat everyone fairly and politely. You don't always. Insulting and belittling people isn't just swearing and using insulting names. The way you address people as if they're EXPECTED to give you what you want in terms of responses and then the way you talk to them if they don't comply is arrogant and rude at best, particularly when you're laying down rules that you yourself refuse to play by. You were told about others disrespecting the board on at least 3 occasions and tagged in one of those posts so you had no excuse not to see it. That was your chance to show your honesty, integrity and consistency in your concern for board respect... but like a good politician, you ignored, deflected, ignored again (as you still are), changed the subject and hoped no-one would notice. Whether you like it or not,many people have noticed because they can read what's been written. Again, it's not up to you to decide what everyone else thinks. No offence but you handled this thread far better before the diagnosis came out. Since then it's been nothing but floundering, backtracking, hypocrisy, desperately trying to blame everyone else but yourself for creating the thread and then happily sitting back whilst others spouted defamatory tripe, self righteousness and utterly embarrassing to watch. When you ask people why they dont bother to respond to you, have you ever thought it might be a you problem? Your incessant need to be right over everyone else, your patronising backhanded insults ("You're better than that") which you think are fine because they're not direct insults like "twat" etc. your insistence on arguing when others just want to let it go. I would probably tick most of those boxes also, but I'm not someone who tries to insist on making people reply to me as and when it suits me and then demeaning them and accusing them of disrespecting the forum (which you've already shown you actually have no real concern for, unless it suits you). I'm out now. If you're not big enough to look in the mirror and stop being an arrogant tool thinking that everyone else is the problem, and not even show the tiniest bit of humility whilst you call people a hypocrite and at the same time think you can just brush off any accusation towards yourself because....well, no other reason than YOU say so, then I have zero interest in speaking to you full stop. Oh, right on cue! 🙄 What a load of condescending bollocks. Why should I have to be forced to read chapter and verse of you and wannabee arguing over God knows what and if I don't, then my opinion suddenly no longer has any merit? In 25 years of being on the internet, i havent ever seen somebody make such an idiotic suggestion. I'll be very surprised if many other people have took the time to wade through your squabbles, you talk about arrogance and making up forum rules? Jesus wept, just listen to yourself ... Over the last 36 hours, this thread has nearly doubled in length and do you know what, sadly, the content has had absolutely nothing to do with the topic in hand, it's just been a bunch of middle aged men gobbing off about, pretty much nothing and all the while, flat out refusing to substantiate any of those opinions. It's pathetic. As is your suggestion that your opinion is somehow rightest because people are agreeing with you, is that what really matters to you? Jeez. And as for you yourself? You've actually been the biggest contributor to the entire shit show, you're a fraud with your faux outrage over my lack of respect for Kate, by starting this thread, hell within 24 hours of the thread starting you were liking posts like this Odd behaviour from an odd Family The last dodgy picture cost them £12M On the same day you even liked the picture of John Terry standing behind her, nice and classy that mate. I note that Cobs, Felonious, Fozzy, Ian Cranson and indeed myself didn't though. You're just playing to the gallery now and I find that very sad, as I used to have an immense of amount of respect for you (and I'm sure the feeling is mutual) but hey, shit happens. In a way it's quite convenient that you have no interest in speaking to me anymore, so people no longer have to wade through this puerile nonsense but sadly, I suspect this won't be the last I here from you. Gawa, I'm throwing my hat in for an early shout at "Pedant of the Year" on this one: hear not here.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2024 13:56:58 GMT
Oh, right on cue! 🙄 What a load of condescending bollocks. Why should I have to be forced to read chapter and verse of you and wannabee arguing over God knows what and if I don't, then my opinion suddenly no longer has any merit? In 25 years of being on the internet, i havent ever seen somebody make such an idiotic suggestion. I'll be very surprised if many other people have took the time to wade through your squabbles, you talk about arrogance and making up forum rules? Jesus wept, just listen to yourself ... Over the last 36 hours, this thread has nearly doubled in length and do you know what, sadly, the content has had absolutely nothing to do with the topic in hand, it's just been a bunch of middle aged men gobbing off about, pretty much nothing and all the while, flat out refusing to substantiate any of those opinions. It's pathetic. As is your suggestion that your opinion is somehow rightest because people are agreeing with you, is that what really matters to you? Jeez. And as for you yourself? You've actually been the biggest contributor to the entire shit show, you're a fraud with your faux outrage over my lack of respect for Kate, by starting this thread, hell within 24 hours of the thread starting you were liking posts like this On the same day you even liked the picture of John Terry standing behind her, nice and classy that mate. I note that Cobs, Felonious, Fozzy, Ian Cranson and indeed myself didn't though. You're just playing to the gallery now and I find that very sad, as I used to have an immense of amount of respect for you (and I'm sure the feeling is mutual) but hey, shit happens. In a way it's quite convenient that you have no interest in speaking to me anymore, so people no longer have to wade through this puerile nonsense but sadly, I suspect this won't be the last I here from you. Gawa, I'm throwing my hat in for an early shout at "Pedant of the Year" on this one: hear not here. Thanks, ICK, I'll leave it there though, to demonstrate that I'm not always 'right'. 🙂
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Post by wannabee on Mar 24, 2024 13:58:26 GMT
Its not at all ludicrous to expect that someone who is complaining about others showing disrespect to the forum is at least consistent in their outrage in that. And I'm pretty sure that the lack of people agreeing with you doesn't really back up your idea that "everyone in their right mind would see that". In fact I had several people agreeing with me about your lack of consistency showing you had no real concern in that issue, it was simply a way to try to guilt BJR into complying with the great Paul's demands. As you said when you called cobs a hypocrite, your lack of consistency lessens your credibility whether you like it or not (and thats not a decision that's made by you, im afraid) To simply brush it off is really poor Paul, as that shows your hypocrisy and also shows your arrogance in believing that it's You that decides the on behalf of everyone else..but you don't like it when people come back at you do you, you just like dishing it out and belittling others with your accusations, whilst at the same time pretending you treat everyone fairly and politely. You don't always. Insulting and belittling people isn't just swearing and using insulting names. The way you address people as if they're EXPECTED to give you what you want in terms of responses and then the way you talk to them if they don't comply is arrogant and rude at best, particularly when you're laying down rules that you yourself refuse to play by. You were told about others disrespecting the board on at least 3 occasions and tagged in one of those posts so you had no excuse not to see it. That was your chance to show your honesty, integrity and consistency in your concern for board respect... but like a good politician, you ignored, deflected, ignored again (as you still are), changed the subject and hoped no-one would notice. Whether you like it or not,many people have noticed because they can read what's been written. Again, it's not up to you to decide what everyone else thinks. No offence but you handled this thread far better before the diagnosis came out. Since then it's been nothing but floundering, backtracking, hypocrisy, desperately trying to blame everyone else but yourself for creating the thread and then happily sitting back whilst others spouted defamatory tripe, self righteousness and utterly embarrassing to watch. When you ask people why they dont bother to respond to you, have you ever thought it might be a you problem? Your incessant need to be right over everyone else, your patronising backhanded insults ("You're better than that") which you think are fine because they're not direct insults like "twat" etc. your insistence on arguing when others just want to let it go. I would probably tick most of those boxes also, but I'm not someone who tries to insist on making people reply to me as and when it suits me and then demeaning them and accusing them of disrespecting the forum (which you've already shown you actually have no real concern for, unless it suits you). I'm out now. If you're not big enough to look in the mirror and stop being an arrogant tool thinking that everyone else is the problem, and not even show the tiniest bit of humility whilst you call people a hypocrite and at the same time think you can just brush off any accusation towards yourself because....well, no other reason than YOU say so, then I have zero interest in speaking to you full stop. Oh, right on cue! 🙄 What a load of condescending bollocks. Why should I have to be forced to read chapter and verse of you and wannabee arguing over God knows what and if I don't, then my opinion suddenly no longer has any merit? In 25 years of being on the internet, i havent ever seen somebody make such an idiotic suggestion. I'll be very surprised if many other people have took the time to wade through your squabbles, you talk about arrogance and making up forum rules? Jesus wept, just listen to yourself ... Over the last 36 hours, this thread has nearly doubled in length and do you know what, sadly, the content has had absolutely nothing to do with the topic in hand, it's just been a bunch of middle aged men gobbing off about, pretty much nothing and all the while, flat out refusing to substantiate any of those opinions. It's pathetic. As is your suggestion that your opinion is somehow rightest because people are agreeing with you, is that what really matters to you? Jeez. And as for you yourself? You've actually been the biggest contributor to the entire shit show, you're a fraud with your faux outrage over my lack of respect for Kate, by starting this thread, hell within 24 hours of the thread starting you were liking posts like this Odd behaviour from an odd Family The last dodgy picture cost them £12M On the same day you even liked the picture of John Terry standing behind her, nice and classy that mate. I note that Cobs, Felonious, Fozzy, Ian Cranson and indeed myself didn't though. You're just playing to the gallery now and I find that very sad, as I used to have an immense of amount of respect for you (and I'm sure the feeling is mutual) but hey, shit happens. In a way it's quite convenient that you have no interest in speaking to me anymore, so people will no longer have to wade through this puerile nonsense but sadly, I suspect this won't be the last I here from you.
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Post by franklin on Mar 24, 2024 14:10:58 GMT
I may well be alone on this view on here. I think it is a good thing when people are challenged to back up their opinions by referencing them to facts in one way or another. Opinions which are not based on facts and have not been challenged in a meaningful way are baseless assertions. No an opinion requires no facts its a view on a subject, an assertion IS a statement of fact which would require support.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2024 14:47:00 GMT
I may well be alone on this view on here. I think it is a good thing when people are challenged to back up their opinions by referencing them to facts in one way or another. Opinions which are not based on facts and have not been challenged in a meaningful way are baseless assertions. No an opinion requires no facts its a view on a subject, an assertion IS a statement of fact which would require support. And it may be based upon many things/ experiences....about which it is not compulsory to share
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Post by franklin on Mar 24, 2024 14:49:01 GMT
No an opinion requires no facts its a view on a subject, an assertion IS a statement of fact which would require support. And it may be based upon many things/ experiences....about which it is not compulsory to share Exactly an opinion is based on your personal view of the FACTS and can't be challenged an assertion is emotional and ignorant of the facts and can be challenged.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 24, 2024 14:59:51 GMT
And it may be based upon many things/ experiences....about which it is not compulsory to share Exactly an opinion is based on your personal view of the FACTS and can't be challenged an assertion is emotional and ignorant of the facts and can be challenged. It surely depends on how that opinion is presented? There's been many cases of opinion being passed off as fact on here, if that's the case they should, and probably will, be called out on it. It's far from unusual to see outrageous claims, particularly on the political threads, surely they shouldn't go unchallenged?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 24, 2024 15:11:18 GMT
Exactly an opinion is based on your personal view of the FACTS and can't be challenged an assertion is emotional and ignorant of the facts and can be challenged. It surely depends on how that opinion is presented? There's been many cases of opinion being passed off as fact on here, if that's the case they should, and probably will, be called out on it. It's far from unusual to see outrageous claims, particularly on the political threads, surely they shouldn't go unchallenged? Exactly. The context is important.Opinions should not be presented as facts, they are opinions.
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Post by franklin on Mar 24, 2024 15:15:05 GMT
Exactly an opinion is based on your personal view of the FACTS and can't be challenged an assertion is emotional and ignorant of the facts and can be challenged. It surely depends on how that opinion is presented? There's been many cases of opinion being passed off as fact on here, if that's the case they should, and probably will, be called out on it. It's far from unusual to see outrageous claims, particularly on the political threads, surely they shouldn't go unchallenged? A person's opinion is based on their view of the FACTS and it can't be challenged its their own personal opinion and viewpoint and you can't say they are wrong, you either agree or disagree. In debate people often elaborate and have a conversation but I would never say that for arguments sake your opinion on legalisation of cannabis is wrong we have different opinions.
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Post by 4372 on Mar 24, 2024 15:45:17 GMT
I agree that an opinion requires no facts. However, an opinion which is not based on factual grounding at some level can be challenged. And yes, people can reserve the right not to develop their argument. But if the original argument cannot be developed, based on factually accurate evidence, then that points to a fairly weak argument.
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